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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:42 am
by fireisredsir
btw reminder that mastina said she 100% guarantees scum has no roleblockers or anything powerful when now that she's fullclaimed it's clear that she had zero reason to believe that
explain why you said that?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:42 am
by jjh927
I'd rather not rush this day phase tbh
Could you at least give me some time to consider the mech here
It may look like there's an obvious solution but I'm gonna go against the grain again and say that literally every claim that has been made could theoretically coexist and all be town
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:43 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2498, mastina wrote:I could've done 25% on both days, but I figured that 100% into 50% made for a better support of the D4 reveal lie that I was planning. (From the moment I understood the mechanic, I put the "claim that I'll claim on D4" plan into place, but I DO have some--very subtle--crumbs in my iso which tell you that the true reveal was on D3.)
Well, in retrospect the biggest tell is that if your role really took 175% then you didn't need to wait until N3 to use it.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:44 am
by fireisredsir
In post 2163, mastina wrote: In post 2103, Lukewarm wrote:I also feel like it is good design to make peta's traffic analyst have a false guilty, so that it is not just a cop.
Roden's role is real, but it ain't town.
You've proven that Roden's role is real, but Roden's role being real was never the question. Roden's role is, explicitly, real.
It is also, explicitly, a scum role this game. For reasons the scumteam has no clue about, but which would be obvious with a massclaim.
In post 2108, Masquerader Blue wrote:If you were modding a 21 player and you gave Mafia 4 players (not confirmed), would you give 2 Mafia useless abilities?
As a matter of fact, yes!
I'm not going to out the why, but I'll say this:
The scum are
going to have any strong scum roles: Ninja, Strongman, Roleblocker, Rolecop, etc.
100% guaranteed they have NOTHING considered a strong scum role.
I'm not explaining this but I guarantee it's true.
you can explain it now!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:44 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2501, jjh927 wrote:It may look like there's an obvious solution but I'm gonna go against the grain again and say that literally every claim that has been made could theoretically coexist and all be town
This is true, but it would require town-Titus to fumble her role very hard.
Ideally Titus just flips RB and then we can kill fire afterward.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:45 am
by Dannflor
I mean Titus assuming she had a partner in mastina when her action actually failed just seems like something town would never do
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:45 am
by jjh927
I think it's probably inaccurate setup spec
I was thinking similar lines but not making the assumption that it was definitely the case at the time. Mastina's judgment mechanically has appeared very rushed this game
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:45 am
by Lukewarm
With the way mastina carried on about day 4, if I were scum she I would have insisted on either killing or roleblocking her by day 4.
If she is town, a roleblock on her makes a lot of sense actually.
I actually doubt that she, if scum, would have done no actions 2 nights in a row in a game with no multitasking, right?
Like if she is a scum pr, she acts. If she is a goon, she does the kills.
Unless the scum team is actually irchers role + 2 goons + 1 lol
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:45 am
by fireisredsir
In post 2504, Something_Smart wrote: In post 2501, jjh927 wrote:It may look like there's an obvious solution but I'm gonna go against the grain again and say that literally every claim that has been made could theoretically coexist and all be town
This is true, but it would require town-Titus to fumble her role very hard.
Ideally Titus just flips RB and then we can kill fire afterward.
and SS is the third, neat
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:46 am
by Dannflor
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:46 am
by Klick
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:47 am
by Lukewarm
In post 2507, Lukewarm wrote:
With the way mastina carried on about day 4, if I were scum she I would have insisted on either killing or roleblocking her by day 4.
If she is town, a roleblock on her makes a lot of sense actually.
I actually doubt that she, if scum, would have done no actions 2 nights in a row in a game with no multitasking, right?
Like if she is a scum pr, she acts. If she is a goon, she does the kills.
Unless the scum team is actually irchers role + 2 goons + 1 lol
I think this leads me to a
Town!fire -> town!mastina conclusion
Scum!fire -> town mastina conclusion
Which is not what I expected tbh
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:47 am
by Something_Smart
incredibly convenient claim, if they know mastina was RB'd and thus technically didn't take any action.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:48 am
by fireisredsir
In post 2512, Something_Smart wrote:
incredibly convenient claim, if they know mastina was RB'd and thus technically didn't take any action.
??
mastina is the one who altered her claim after hearing my results
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:49 am
by Klick
In post 2482, Dannflor wrote:Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here
Dann/Titus/mastina lol
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:50 am
by Something_Smart
That's why I said if Titus flips RB, because it lends a lot more credence to mastina's claim, and Titus claimed to visit her.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:50 am
by jjh927
In post 2504, Something_Smart wrote: In post 2501, jjh927 wrote:It may look like there's an obvious solution but I'm gonna go against the grain again and say that literally every claim that has been made could theoretically coexist and all be town
This is true, but it would require town-Titus to fumble her role very hard.
Ideally Titus just flips RB and then we can kill fire afterward.
You're right, and that's why scum!Titus is the obvious solution
In terms of timeline;
Titus claimed a masonry when it appeared Ydrasse was hinting Titus had a PT
Ydrasse claimed the result that Titus does not have a PT
Titus explicitly claimed masons with Mastina
then proceeded to elaborate on conditions that made it extremely clear that Titus did not masonise Mastina
I want to have a look at whether or not Titus might have genuinely made a mistake there or it's just a very quick attempt at a recovery. Titus didn't seem to acknowledge at any point that she made a really obvious mistake- it required other people pointing it out. There's something in there but I can't really analyse with real accuracy while my brain is frazzled from my in-office day at work.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:50 am
by mastina
In post 2480, fireisredsir wrote:but she's claiming an investigative result and she is literally lying bc i checked her both nights and she hasn't done anything
To what do I owe the pleasure of being visited two nights in a row when I said on D1 that the reveal would be on D4? When I said on D2 that I'd go 50% on D2 and 75% on D3 and 100% on D4? (Obv was a lie, will be at 100% now and every day future since I already fired my shot.)
Could it perhaps be that you knew that I couldn't have a result on you because of factional knowledge?
I don't believe there's more town killstopping power, or if there is, that they just so
happened
to have targeted me last night.
And scum aren't going to have an ungated roleblocker.
So a lack of result on you is still effectively a guilty, because
something caused my action to fail
, and that something is almost certainly scum-related.
Like, say, a scum rolestopper rolestopping fireisredsir.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:51 am
by Titus
Klick is scum. Should have realized he was different than the Nashville game but I attributed that to being town this time.
Klick/Luke plus 1.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:51 am
by fireisredsir
my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:52 am
by Lukewarm
Please outline the scenario where mastina is scum, and fire it town, and got these results in a game with no multitasking
In post 2418, fireisredsir wrote:im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:52 am
by Something_Smart
Fire, did you expect town-mastina to take an action N1 and/or N2? Also, did you soft your N1 result anywhere?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:53 am
by Andresvmb
I think in the general context of today, I would execute mastina before I voted for fireisredsir, though I don’t understand why Scum would try and do a 1v1 trade in the way that mastina has here. Just something doesn’t add up.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:54 am
by Lukewarm
In post 2519, fireisredsir wrote:my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it
huh.
this is actually a reasonable answer.
But that makes the scum team goon + goon + watcher + Ircher's fairly useless role, which feels wrong.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:55 am
by Titus
In post 2520, Lukewarm wrote:
Please outline the scenario where mastina is scum, and fire it town, and got these results in a game with no multitasking
In post 2418, fireisredsir wrote:im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action.
Mastina is a goon? But mastina's not scum soooo
It's You Klick plus 1. You don't talk to each other.