↑Bulbazak wrote:How's he obv. town? I've smashed my head against the wall trying to figure this out and asking people about it, but I've never got a satisfactory answer.
iso me, control+f vezok. I'm probably the dude most responsible for pushing it yesterday.
i'm reading backwards through stuff now, but have a list of people I don't have at least minor town reads on right now in a not meaningful order. this is NOT a list of people I would vote instead of singer because I feel that she's more likely by far to be scum than most everyone else on here. also because the ones with high post counts I reaaally do need to get around to going over soon.
singer
cheet
aronis
marquis
oversoul
shadoweh
CDB
also actiondan because i do sort of have a minor town read on him but it could hilariously easily be wrong given how much he's posted
↑Bulbazak wrote:@Ffery: Also, the reason why I keep having trouble with the Vezok town read is the way he's been acting in regards to his reads. At first I thought I might have just had a knee jerk response to his reads being so different to mine, but I feel that he keeps ignoring obvious lines of inquiry just to push push push. It's more pushing and less analysis. I also didn't like how he jumped off of TTH, who he was hard scumreading, to jump onto Aronis with me, another of his scum reads. That move didn't make sense to me, as there was no reason or indicator for his move off of TTH. I also didn't like his last attack on me at the end of minor day 1. It felt more like rubbing salt in the wounds and is what I normally equate with scum getting too greedy with a push instead of overzealous town. I mean, I've read Vezok as obv. town before, but I'm just not seeing it here.
P-edit: I've quoted your previous question in the PT. I haven't heard back from her. As far as I recall, she hasn't really given me a read on you. I'll try to see if I can push that through.
have you played with vezok much?
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
↑Bulbazak wrote:How's he obv. town? I've smashed my head against the wall trying to figure this out and asking people about it, but I've never got a satisfactory answer.
iso me, control+f vezok. I'm probably the dude most responsible for pushing it yesterday.
i'm reading backwards through stuff now, but have a list of people I don't have at least minor town reads on right now in a not meaningful order. this is NOT a list of people I would vote instead of singer because I feel that she's more likely by far to be scum than most everyone else on here. also because the ones with high post counts I reaaally do need to get around to going over soon.
singer
cheet
aronis
marquis
oversoul
shadoweh
CDB
also actiondan because i do sort of have a minor town read on him but it could hilariously easily be wrong given how much he's posted
So you see the Zar/Tammy Empire/Tammy stuff as potentially scum/scum?
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
~fferyllt
"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
~Alisae
↑Bulbazak wrote:@Ffery: Mollie keeps yelling at me to reach out to you when I feel I'm doing exactly that. Something about you feeling marginalized. I figure the best way to reach out is to try asking you about certain reads to see why we differ. I'm sure she feels different and is going to yell at me later for it. I mean, I think I know most of your reads, but a reads list gives me a larger view of the game, and if I know how and why we're differing, maybe I might be able to actually open that line of dialogue that I've felt was so vital.
@Mastin: I don't know if you have or not, but can you walk me through your DeasVail scum read?
I'm not worried about being marginalized. I find that dynamic interesting.
Think about ArcAngel, greyice and serra.
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
@ika, If they do, I have sucked. I thought you got my play and was deliberately having GiF lurk to slayer's without explaining coffeeshop. I start foreclosing lynches...if that wasn't your plan...whoops.
Who is scum then?
I like Singer scum too.
@Singer, will address you when BBT gives me that meta you wanted.
I hope TSO is on by about 23 hundred hours give or take an hour. I would like to talk to him, especially about that DLP game where the last lynch decided if Fonti or I won.
A few times. L4D was where I learned how good his reads could be, mainly based off of what Mastin said in post. I think I played at least two more times with Vezok after that, and I correctly town read him each time. His reads were also pretty good and tended to align with mine, or at least not severely clash with them. Here, I'm having a hard time getting that same feeling, and I don't know if it's just me or if there's really something missing.
I was hoping to crumb to ika since you thought about having him replace in. Given we are not on the same page, might as well move us towards it. Find my broken watch.
↑singersigner wrote:Gamma that looks an awful lot like selective meta to fit your agenda. Your most recent example is three years ago, and the only scum game (meta mafia) was a grand total of 35 posts.
I know you have more recent, up-to-date, and accurate meta, so it's making me even more uncomfortable that you even negate it with "Fuuuck meta."
hey singer
do you actually think i'm scum for this?
and what exactly is the agenda you think I'm following?
I do think you're scummier for it, ayeup! I think your agenda could be scum trying to get me lynched, which is why I asked you to look at the more recent meta on me and to defer to the expertise of people who have the more recent/accurate experience before jumping to your incorrect conclusions.
I really thought you were town for your push on Bulb but this is a really shallow push, even for you who falls on ~reasons~ half the time.
is my push on you "bad" enough in your eyes that it makes me more likely to be scum than town? I want your overall read on me, not a read on the individual post.
You haven't really addressed why you're not taking advantage of a more well-rounded/accurate history on me. Meta's ever changing so if you're suggesting I've all of a sudden reverted back to the way I played scum four years ago without acknowledging that I've played scum (and town!) differently since then, it's a pretty scum motivated push to support a mislynch, yes.
However, due to mine and my team's priorities, that can be addressed later pending your answer. Unless you're ready to be more thorough and would like me to solicite other opinions on the matter now?
i don't even have time to go over this game as much as I'd like, I might look at it in the future but I doubt I'll go into it substantially, especially when I'm pushing on you for the things you're doing in this game and brought up meta primarily to help people understand where I'm coming from and let people analyze my alignment from that.
↑Gammagooey wrote:thats not really answering my question
is my push on you "bad" enough in your eyes that it makes me more likely to be scum than town? I want your overall read on me, not a read on the individual post.
Stop implying you don't understand my answer. I didn't think I had to reword "scum motovated" and "scummier, yeup!" to imply that I do think it makes you scummier for it, especially now that you're appealing to others to draw on your meta for support when you won't do them the same curtesy.
Right now, my only agenda is to discredit your argument, not to get you lynched. Unless your lynch is emimant, this is only my backhanded support for it (hey this means you moved from a town read to a neutrally scummy read!).
okay. i know you given me a very good idea of the answer, but I want a very specific "town" or "scum" answer without it being hidden behind wording like 'could be scum' or 'neutrally scummy' or 'scummier'. Changing your mind on my alignment later will not cause the earth to collapse into a black hole.
if you had to bet the ENTIRE GAME on my flip, right now, what would it be.
