In post 2518, Mathdino wrote:So the only possible scumpartner Marangal can have is Beefster.
Step me through this?
On D2, Marangal asked mastina if she received a message saying "I'm town".
mastina said no.
Marangal said "wtf".
Beefster said "Oh yeah I blocked Marangal because I'm a jailkeeper".
Marangal believed her message had legitimately gone through (unless she planned in advance a fakeclaim with Beefster). This means Marangal is either really a messenger, or is scum with Beefster.
Additionally, for Marangal to be scum, she would have to believe that scum could not perform a night action and kill at the same time.
So in the situation that she's a scum messenger who legit believed her message went through, her partner must have performed the nightkill on Iconeum. This means scum is either me (which makes me a scum roleblocker), Beefster (who jailed me on N1), or:
the worst: Fakeclaiming weak cop as mafia strongman? no.
Not_Mafia: Would have to be a strongman AND a mafia roleblocker. Which doesn't jive with Marangal's idea that scum can kill and act on the same night.
I don't know how it happened, but I've been set up.
I holstered last night.
VOTE: the worst
Anyone around to talk to me about this?
He was actually genuinely thrown off. His vote on me feels like 100% ridiculous un-thought-through craziness.
Scum would have known this turn of events was coming. Is this likely to be staged?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:44 pm
by the worst
Just trying to avoid the NKA WIFOM because that incriminates exactly nobody
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:46 pm
by Mathdino
If you had 3 days to prepare getting past a gamebreaking massclaim strategy, wouldn't you know exactly how you'd respond to a soft guilty?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:49 pm
by the worst
Ehhh I guess but the vote is such an interesting choice...
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:52 pm
by the worst
Talk to me about N_M
Hard defending A50 is a red mark against him. How else do you consider his play this game to line up with his scum meta?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:11 pm
by the worst
Will you be here in about an hour? I'll try and >half ass once I'm at my PC.
I feel like there's something not quite right about the Mom/Beef logic.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:15 pm
by Mathdino
yeah i'll be here
go check my ISO for not_mafia case, it's in there somewhere
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:23 pm
by the worst
Spoiler: quoted for laziness
In post 1347, Mathdino wrote:Okay nope. I have a very good amount of meta showing Not_Mafia is scum here.
He doesn't make shit arguments as town to get his way. See my game (Stack the Deck).
The idea that Kthx-scum claims a guilty on someone to save acryon and mastina, when that results in all 3 of them being lynched in succession, is utterly ludicrous.
Paragraph-posting Not_Mafia always has a reason to suddenly start caring enough to argue a point. I've seen him do it to pull a mislynch in MyLo.
I'm doing a votecount.
Spoiler: VoteCount Settings
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In post 2739, Mathdino wrote:I thought it was Hopkirk when day started but I've thought it was flubb since sheep scumclaim
I have sheep and not mafia meta that only works when I'm not in the game because they adapt their meta to my presence
So I need to do that
Sheep is claimed scum, no one cares
In post 2749, Not_Mafia wrote:You know when you're about to leave a party and then you don't, then you get trapped in an incredibly long-winded and pointless conversation with another guest and spend the whole time wishing you'd just left when you had the chance. This is that moment.
In post 2767, Not_Mafia wrote:Town Mathdino doesn't pass up the opportunity for a good old fashioned pissing contest
In post 2999, Not_Mafia wrote:Sheep is literally claimed scum, there is no Hopkirk/Fire/Me possibility
In post 3003, Not_Mafia wrote:I don’t see any of the arguments as compelling or interesting at all, just dilettante word vomit. The only time you’ve done anything with any conviction was when you accused Fire of talking about ongoing games, this isn’t town Mathdino the LyLo saviour swooping in to save the helpless visigoths in the town, it’s scum Math chatting shit.
Also there are no conf towns, not even Kat and HEM, but Flubber certainly isn’t
In post 3006, Not_Mafia wrote:My vote isn’t moving, so you can carry on this unrequited 1v1 or you can just vote the claimed scum
In post 3279, Mathdino wrote:I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption
I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does Fire
In post 3289, Mathdino wrote:Perfect example is Hopkirk who suddenly became more enlightened than the Dalai Lama tripping balls on LSD once I started making real arguments for sheep/Hop/N_M.
Yes who has been calling the team sheep/Fire/Me and pushing
me
as the lynch, he's made no attempt to get Fire, his theoretical mislynch in your scenario, lynched
In post 3294, Katyusha wrote:pedit: no really like............. what would town!dino have done here n_m in your opinion
Lynch scum, not me, not refuse to vote conf scum when we still have 8 players and what? 4 or 5 players unclaimed?
In post 3308, Not_Mafia wrote:Okay cool, lynch me because Math makes long posts with words in them, his arguments are crap and his commentary on me and what he thinks I'd do is transparently bogus. Just do me a favour and lynch the confirmed scum first
obviously here n_m!scum would be trying to look town in the first place by unvoting so i guess it's kind of a dumb question but i dont think saying "scum would stick to their guns" is an unreasonable assumption, theyre the ones who come into the game with a planned agenda in mind
Scum can't plan shit. Look at the timestamps on that interaction; it was all within a span of minutes. Turbospeed.
I'm arguing that N_M knew Fire was town already and was setting him up to fall.
But then he realised Fire wouldn't go down so easily and 1v1ing Fire would have the strong potential to just confirm N_M as scum down the line.
None of it was planned because he didn't plan for Fire's fakeclaim.
Math is now moving the goalposts to distract from his bullshit argument. No one is saying we did plan it, just that your argument that we couldn't was manure
In post 3315, Katyusha wrote:monkey am i being too easily swayed? where am i going wrong?
Renaming myself monkey temporarily.
Yes, seriously go over Math's posts with a fresh mind, there's nothing there, it's all style no substance
In post 3324, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm gonna piss myself if Math is actually town, both out of hilarity and frustration
In post 3339, Not_Mafia wrote:Town Dino doesn't attempt to justify his play to me, he just laughs at me and talks about policy lynches
In post 3345, Not_Mafia wrote:And fire still isn't conftown, conf is a strong word, can we please not use it on just extremely strong reads
In post 3370, Not_Mafia wrote:What seems weird to you about stuff I've done Kat? List some things and I can explain them to you
In post 3375, Not_Mafia wrote:I honestly don't remember where exactly my read was, I wanted to lynch Hopkirk that day but wanted to see the results of a Seph wagon, I think I had Seph as a scum lean and then he self hammered
In post 3377, Not_Mafia wrote:Your slot was basically a non-presence until you subbed in
Gamma's online. Lynch anyone who doesn't follow the plan.
Fuck it, Not_Mafia has been against every single pro-town wagon: No Lynch, acryon, AND Almost50
And on every anti-town wagon: Mathdino, Iconeum, Kthx, mastina, Bujaber.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
You can only openwolf so much before it becomes impossible to let slide. N_M isn't THIS bad.
When N_M flips scum (when, not if):
I actually don't have a good nightplan here now that I think about it.
@Mod: If a bodyguard were to target a weak cop while the weak cop checked mafia, who would die?
Second, what would happen in this situation if mafia also shot the weak cop?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:00 pm
by the worst
leaving his buddy as Mom?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:02 pm
by Mathdino
Or Beefster
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:03 pm
by the worst
if you had to nail a scumteam right now who would it be?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:04 pm
by the worst
I'd call Mom/N_M but I still need to think on this.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:06 pm
by Mathdino
If N_M straight up flips strongman, then N_M/Marangal seems likely. Although if N_M is strongman after all, we can just win the game by having me protect you and Beefster protect InfernoBrafin.
If N_M flips anything other than strongman or roleblocker, then it's Beefster.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:08 pm
by the worst
I want to find a partner I believe before committing to this but in a pinch I'm probably down.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:09 pm
by the worst
there is a reason I'm being hesitant (for once!)
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:10 pm
by Mathdino
In post 2467, the worst wrote:Figured people with shit abilities were less likely to be scum, more likely not to get NK'd and made better town clears.
Specifically I tried to keep my NA list down to players I felt were likely to be town.
In post 2468, the worst wrote:Just trying to decide whether scum would have seen me crumbing.
Can you quote all the posts in your ISO that are evidence of these?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:14 pm
by the worst
yas
ngl I think I forgot to for the entirety of D1
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:15 pm
by Mathdino
The weird thing here is that Hider is literally a variation on Weak Cop.
Which is a hilariously stacked town that's only really solvable by there being 4 scum.
One scum was given a motion detector safeclaim. One was given a commuter fakeclaim (and is investigation immune, which strongly points to Weak Cop existing). One is a gladiator.
The only way I can justify this nonsense setup is if scum also has roleblocking ability in the Jailkeeper.
Can you talk me through how you got from here to selecting these two players? Do you think they're scum together?
quoted for thinking
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:26 pm
by the worst
I'm gonna confess my idea of crumbing is probably what others call "vomiting vague details at people".
Totally thought I was being more subtle than this.
In post 1215, BuJaber wrote:@TW - does later mean today or on later days? Because if you have any info that tells us carrot's alignment it would be really helpful.
This games balancing is gonna be really interesting.
I can confirm town players as town. Won't be targeting anyone I'm scumreading.
Honestly I'm starting to really consider the idea that Mastina is scum here. more importantly I'm struggling to actually process everything that's going on through the epic walls of text...
In post 1234, BuJaber wrote:Ico.. seriously?
Doesn't matter you're either scum or town who made a mistake. Not interested in your rationale now that it's done. It's just a sucky situation
Sigh.
