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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:24 am
by Irrelephant11
In post 2521, Gustavo wrote:That’s a bad vote. NM is always useless. Voting them won’t help
See this isn’t true though, I’ve seen NM play in a helpful way at least twice (once in a game I replaced into, once in a game i spectated). He’s capable of being pro-town if he is town, even while keeping o his quiet meta, and is choosing not to be

Pedit: wow for someone who thinks I’m town “pretty shit mate” is, surprising?? Like tw basically claimed PR at the start of D2, if not D1, and scum hasn’t touched him. It’s also part of his scum meta to claim pr. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to vote tw right now, thanks, and that’s why I am leaning town!peoplevotingtw, because only scum would know to believe him/have incentive to pretend to believe him.

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:24 am
by Nauci
Haven't read Day 3 posts yet but here's my analysis after Night 2:
  • Skitter is town. Skitter is soooooooooo town.
  • Day 2 Momrangal basically gave up, so it's very likely that scum bussed her and are on wagon (at least 1, if not both). Especially busworthy if Scum PT was inactive.
  • IMO, this would be slightly alignment indicative for sorting the rest of the game. People who are on wagon and would like daychat look better, and people who are off wagon and would love daychat look worse (only applicable to people I think would have a clear opinion on the matter, e.g. I'm fairly certain that Irrelephant would
    hate
    to give up Daychat and been less eager to bus when TW was a viable target unless Irrelephant/TW were the other two scum. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure N_M couldn't give fewer fucks?)
  • The Worst played within his scum meta, and not terribly like his town meta. Don't have time to link stuff about his town meta at the moment though; hella behind in class because of illness.
  • I went and skimmed some BV games. Didn't really manage to glean alignment indicators. Was leaning town due to post content but 0 votes on Day 2 pings me badly.
  • Read Irrelephant's town replace-in game. Feeling better about him (in addition to above note).
  • Bernie's end of day 1 is much more questionable now.
  • I'm not sure why Momrangal would tunnel Bernie the way she did if they were scum together. Would that be likely to make him look town, or make him look more suspicious? Not sure how to feel about that.
  • I guess that's a very, very high chance that Gustavo is town, unless scumGus pulled a night 1 No Kill in hopes there was a JK or Doctor to confuse?
  • Errant needs to post a lot more. I haven't seen much of anything AI.
Current Reads:

  • Shoshin - Odd Night Town Doctor

  • Gamma Emerald - Vanilla Town

  • Nauci

  • Skitter

  • Gustavo

  • Irrelephant11

  • Keyser Soze

  • Bernie Sanders

  • ErrantParabola

  • BlackVoid

  • Not_Mafia

  • The Worst

  • Momrangal - Mafia Encrytor

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:25 am
by Nauci
Now that we have several more flips, VCA should be much more telling.

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:27 am
by Gustavo
In post 2526, Nauci wrote:Skitter is town. Skitter is soooooooooo town.
Based off what?

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:30 am
by Keyser Söze
In post 2525, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 2521, Gustavo wrote:That’s a bad vote. NM is always useless. Voting them won’t help
See this isn’t true though, I’ve seen NM play in a helpful way at least twice (once in a game I replaced into, once in a game i spectated). He’s capable of being pro-town if he is town, even while keeping o his quiet meta, and is choosing not to be

Pedit: wow for someone who thinks I’m town “pretty shit mate” is, surprising?? Like tw basically claimed PR at the start of D2, if not D1, and scum hasn’t touched him. It’s also part of his scum meta to claim pr. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to vote tw right now, thanks, and that’s why I am leaning town!peoplevotingtw, because only scum would know to believe him/have incentive to pretend to believe him.
I liked the possibility of this being a gambit. If he’s suicidal scum here I don’t understand his motivation. All of D2 he deserved to die. So the idea of him being a town PR kind of makes sense now. If my bottom two reads were scum then I’m happy and will leave this game.

You can be town but you can still be anti town. Should have at least waited for the reveal before voting him up IMO.

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:39 am
by Errantparabola
In post 2224, Nauci wrote:Not majoring in anything (dropped out of Carnegie Mellon Computer Science ages ago).
I apologize for the incorrect assumption!
In post 2238, BlackVoid wrote:I think in a vacuum, stuff like this is more likely to come from town. But I'm not sure this is justified considering you haven't posted much content at all. Can you explain what specifically you did here that's outside your scumrange? Have you played with MathDino? Making him meta-dive you implies that you haven't. That means it's applicable to any other player, not just Mathdino.
it was primarily facetious due to mathdino being a particularly observant meta reader.
But I
personally
think I'm playing really towny just in... like the introspective sense and it's genuinely a little frustrating that some ppl i really want to connect with (including you, especially since i think we actually share most reads) dont seem to agree

Esepcially since this happens every single game I try to join where life inevitably gets busy and i start posting less (Which I blame myself for, and you should also blame me for, but I'm still frustrated at it and at myself), like you can reference literally any game I've played in the past... year at least. I get yelled at multiple times a game to take more hard stances, or to post more, etc. etc. I acknowledge that I can be a bit of a frustrating person to play with because of this. And I think I've been doing that a
lot
more than in every other game and feeling really good about it but it still wasn't enough. And also considering that I replaced in this game as a cross-replace deal and almost certainly wouldn't have been anywhere near this active if i hadn't ended up liking this playerlist as much as I do.

I guess have significantly lower expectations for myself than other people do, apparently :,>
In post 2261, Momrangal wrote:Worst is leaving much to be desired but the way he's playing around with certain softs still has me wary about going there.
cough cough
cough cough WHEEZE

In post 2376, Nauci wrote:Irrelephant I wish you would stop saying you're voting mom because Bernie told you to.

Skirting responsibility like that is gross and also when did you turn into a Bernie Bro anyway
ahahaha
anyway, this observation makes me want to maaaybe solidify irrelephant as town (I was leaning more and more towards considering that he was scum) because it just doesn't make sense as a bus here
Think people who scumread irrelephant should take this into account when evaluating their read
In post 2512, BlackVoid wrote:In the meantime, I want TheWorst's full claim and complete night action list to check against any crumbs he made. I think any potential benefits of hiding it from scum is outweighed by having more information to read him by. I also want to see ErrantP do a full/catchup analysis of where his reads are at (preferably before I do mine so I can read into it).
okay, so

Gustavo -> It feels simply impractical to suspect Gustavo based on some no night kill shenanigans and everyhting points to town here
skitter30 -> Graduated to Bernie-tier town over Day 2, maybe even higher as I begin to consider that Bernie may not necessarily be as town as I thought
Bernie Sanders -> Bernie is just analytically town, everything points to town, but I just want to reserve the right to not be embarrassed if he ends up being scum because I included this caveat in my read :}

Nauci -> Scum Nauci seems pretty implausible just based on my intuition, Nauci hasn't really given me much to read either way in D2 so aside from that it's all early game stuff
Irrelephant11 -> Irrelephant town is simply the most reasonable explanation analytics wise and I think that the Mom thing I mentioned (I haven't fact checked it but I'm trusting nauci to make correct observations here) is an important thing to keep in mind when reading Irrelephant's otherwise pretty bad associations
Keyser Soze -> Less sure about him being town but it's mainly just me holding on to an early-game town read here

BlackVoid -> No particularly strong feelings in either direction but I generally agree with both your town and scumreads
Not_Mafia -> Whatever
the worst -> super plausible partner, claim was the one thing keeping me from full scumreading him yesterday, generally scummy D2 behavior

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:41 am
by Errantparabola
In post 2530, Errantparabola wrote:I get yelled at multiple times a game to take more hard stances, or to post more, etc. etc.
In post 2526, Nauci wrote:Errant needs to post a lot more. I haven't seen much of anything AI.
funny I didn't even see this, by the way.
ugh, just ignore everything i said in regards to that. i take responsibility for my own shit play

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:11 pm
by the worst
Nauci can you engage with me about what you think my meta is? lol

you're using quotes from a game several months ago from Mathdino who is extremely cognisant of the fact I change my meta whimsically. you're also not really commenting on the actual game we played together where I was scum and ignoring all of my other scum meta. D: I'm realising there might be a reality where you're town and just like terribly tunnelled here

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:14 pm
by Gustavo
Can somebody link me to multiple the worst scum games where he faked a Pr?

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:15 pm
by the worst
In post 2525, Irrelephant11 wrote:It’s also part of his scum meta to claim pr.
Irrelephant gets major town points for actually doing his homework. who on this list do you think should vote me here?

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:19 pm
by the worst
In post 2533, Gustavo wrote:Can somebody link me to multiple the worst scum games where he faked a Pr?
Stack the Deck by HeWhoSwims--I claimed goon cop when caught as a meme and it low key backfired

otherwise prolly just marathons? I can't really think back that hard rn. :P at a job.

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:20 pm
by Not_Mafia
VOTE: the worst

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:24 pm
by the worst
was that a meme to hurt my brain or for reals :(

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:30 pm
by Keyser Söze
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:34 pm
by the worst
You think you can catch scum? You think guys like that come this close to getting caught, and stick their heads out?

If they come up for anything it'll be to get rid of me. After that... my guess is you'll never hear from them again.

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm
by Gustavo
Heisenberg avatar on Keyser Söze seems kind of weird to me. Why not a Keyser Söze avatar?

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:40 pm
by Keyser Söze
In post 2539, the worst wrote:You think you can catch scum? You think guys like that come this close to getting caught, and stick their heads out?

If they come up for anything it'll be to get rid of me. After that... my guess is you'll never hear from them again.
<3

I hope your info is convincing mate. I'm being scum read over my reaction to your claim :lol:

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:42 pm
by Keyser Söze
In post 2540, Gustavo wrote:Heisenberg avatar on Keyser Söze seems kind of weird to me. Why not a Keyser Söze avatar?
I prefered your Gustavo avatar. Reminded me how much I loved that show. Plus was gonna do roleplay tomorrow. Will change it to EP's read diagram if he's town

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:45 pm
by the worst
In post 2540, Gustavo wrote:Heisenberg avatar on Keyser Söze seems kind of weird to me. Why not a Keyser Söze avatar?
it's been spinning me out too xD

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:47 pm
by Keyser Söze
I want to be awake when you reveal.

Its 00:46 here, should I go to sleep of stay awake?

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:52 pm
by Nauci
Unless another PR claims today (which would be very dumb), I guess TW's alignment shakes out tonight on its own now that our doctor is dead.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:59 pm
by Nauci
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:27 pm
by Keyser Söze
In post 794, Momrangal wrote:I am rethinking my read on Bernie, and I think he's going after low hanging fruit duck.

Bernie made a huge ass case on duck, and his tone and I agree with the lack of direction but I entirely disagree with duck being given enough space. I have that slot as null, but I honestly don't find his pred scummy outside the supposed semi-trustish whatever tell you want to call it regarding him replacing out. Even if whatsherface and skits (I think it was) told each other that they were excited to play the same alignment, I don't think replacing out should ever be alignment indicative and no one really has given duck a chance to do more than get his feet wet.

He even said that the wagon would have zero effect because he lacks time and wouldn't have it later in the week but absolutely no one has payed attention to that little tidbit.

Further more, this case on duck came when after duck said he wouldn't have any time to defend himself, and after duck is at a vulnerable L-2 (1?) position making it completely viable that duck gets lynched before he even had more time to get himself busy.

He also pushes duck but still takes a wholly neural stance on the matter so that, when popular scum read duck flips town, he can take the blame off himself considerably easier than most others gunning for his lych
Again, I don't think this is the way Mom describes/defends their scumpartner (the worst). She's begging for us to give TW a chance to prove themselves, and try to see past that suspicious replace out by Gemini.

If TW is scum this is actually some impressive anti-distancing from Momrangel here.

Perhaps this really is scum attacking town for going after lynchbait (and I had Bernie and TW completely wrong on D2)

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:32 pm
by Gustavo
In post 2542, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2540, Gustavo wrote:Heisenberg avatar on Keyser Söze seems kind of weird to me. Why not a Keyser Söze avatar?
I prefered your Gustavo avatar. Reminded me how much I loved that show. Plus was gonna do roleplay tomorrow. Will change it to EP's read diagram if he's town
New day New Gustavo

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:35 pm
by Keyser Söze
@Gustavo - what do you make of Mom's posts RE: TW/Gemini... Indicative of anti-associations?