Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

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i want you to look me in the eye

did we really come all this way just to flip lavender?

maybe

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes but if he's the deepwolf we win the game

[Prism]

Why not? Reading the start I think it's a lot, lot more plausible than I thought it was.

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yes but if he's the deepwolf we win the game

but if he isn't chara goes free guaranteed

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Why not? Reading the start I think it's a lot, lot more plausible than I thought it was.

What was the point of pummeling Elements?

......to make Elements look better after Hectic suicides?

hmm

[Prism]

The only thing that doesn't really line up to Hectic as Chara to me is 782.

The first push is plausible to me, and the second could very easily be just trying to get Ele back into the swing of things more than a real bus. The ones after that (like the 900s?) are kind of the point of no return, I think.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why not

he's gonna die anyway

besides who else on the scum-team do you think could've talked ele into going for the 4 spare push

[Prism]

to be clear, I'm describing sets of posts by Hectic there where the third set (782) is the only one that doesn't really fit Hectic-Chara imo

[Prism]

If you go back over Hectic's early game, he's repeatedly pushing a spare, he's working his way townreading everyone for very little reason (buddying) and he doesn't even try to convince anyone of the spare he claimed to have had in mind. This day he's been trying to get out of ASAP for eons.

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The only thing that doesn't really line up to Hectic as Chara to me is 782.

The first push is plausible to me, and the second could very easily be just trying to get Ele back into the swing of things more than a real bus. The ones after that (like the 900s?) are kind of the point of no return, I think.

He had elements as his very top scumread before there both in his reads in 772 and a little further back in 686.

Also, 324 remains one of my favourites for Hectic!town

like he had one scumread and it was elements

[Prism]

I've been over why I hate 324 a million times, sorry but I don't find it convincing whatsoever and it was exactly why I tunneled Hectic that entire day. That read got outed under considerable pressure from me, right after he claimed to have no reads, and there was a giant flaw in it that Hectic both didn't bring up, readily dismissed, and seemed to only believe his own line more and more over time with no Elements feedback other than the readslist/lost comment.

[Prism]

My pick for the day is still Taylor. I think that flip either wins us the game or gives us a ton of info between it+the Chara flip. Lavender basically nets us...me town if she flips town. Who cares?

I'd rather flip Lavender in the 1/7 and let scum nightkill and narrow the pool.

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i have two types of reads, ur either at the bottom or at the top

Spoiler:

Prism
Chara
Puppy
Pooky
----------- LOCK TOWN ^ -----------

...

----------- HEAVY TOWN ^ -----------

Krazy
Tanner

----------- LEAN TOWN ^ -----------
Tayl0r
Hectic
Lavender

Does anyone think there might be scum in that town block? Besides Prism's paranoia of Chara

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I've been over why I hate 324 a million times, sorry but I don't find it convincing whatsoever and it was exactly why I tunneled Hectic that entire day. That read got outed under considerable pressure from me, right after he claimed to have no reads, and there was a giant flaw in it that Hectic both didn't bring up, readily dismissed, and seemed to only believe his own line more and more over time with no Elements feedback other than the readslist/lost comment.

Considerable pressure on page 13?

Maybe I'll review that in the future but it still sort of works for me

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i am willing to cave to tayl0r because Prism deserves it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how does 324 even mean anything

Hectic at that time was pushing me - not ele

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you look at the posts leading up to 324 he's not pushing ele - he's pushing me

[Prism]

also I forgot Hectic's backrooms meta spec on Pooky was a major crock of shit

maybe I should just flip this slot but WHO THE HELL IS THE DUDE SCUM WITH AT THIS POINT LIKE WHAT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gonna read this backroom meta thing again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Rereading the early 300s I don't see how you can say 324 is serious town-cred for hectic

[Prism]

tl;dr he suspected your friendly tone shift was scum because he thought you were scum in backrooms, and changed his mind in 640

I say it's a crock of shit because he didn't just cite the difference from the meta he was already familiar with, which doesn't rely on referencing ongoing games, and because it's wild to think seeing such a drastic change means you're scum in both

he pushed you for lack of reads and came up with something after the fact

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how does 324 even mean anything

Hectic at that time was pushing me - not ele

I don't know how to explain it

He essentially is calling out Elements for reversing his play in order to make it seem drastically different from when he played as scum vs. town Hectic. But Hectic believes that Elements is going overboard and trying too hard to make it seem different

Lo and behold, it seems to me that

is

what Elements was doing. Maybe I should actually check the games to see if it's true that he's treating Hectic different from the way he usually would -- but I'm inclined to believe it

Why I think Hectic would think to do that only as town.. I'm unsure

Feels right I guess

pedit: It's not really about who he's pushing. It's more that I don't believe Hectic would have came up with that reason to scumread Elements right then as mafia. Why does he lay the groundworks for pivoting to Elements there

I guess it could be an anti-spew if Hectic is Not Chara.

Also like, sure he's voting for you but he's giving actually decent sounding reasoning to suspect Elements. I can't even find where he explains why he voted you. Maybe that's telling in its own right

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think I was even that friendly in backrooms - pretty sure I death-tunneled my neighbor from like D1 >.>

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also I forgot Hectic's backrooms meta spec on Pooky was a major crock of shit

maybe I should just flip this slot but WHO THE HELL IS THE DUDE SCUM WITH AT THIS POINT LIKE WHAT

He's scum with me, I'm Not Chara, but unfortunately sparing isn't viable in this setup and our grand plan failed

I don't know. He can be scum with Lavender. His plan was hard bus Elements and hard buddy Lav to be

unpredictable

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

He essentially is calling out Elements for reversing his play in order to make it seem drastically different from when he played as scum vs. town Hectic. But Hectic believes that Elements is going overboard and trying too hard to make it seem different

yes but if you read the followup post esp 326 it makes it sound very silly/joking sorta.

Also the fact that he came up with it like 6 min after saying he had no other reads makes me doubt how serious he was thinking about this.