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I've decided, there are too many weaker players to risk not fully claiming at this point, as I could get elimmed for the lols at any moment. Plus when i started typing this, I was aiming for a sweet pagetop.

I am hereby claiming a . I.e. I can mechanically confirm myself as town.

So yeah, elimming me today would be....very dumb.

excellent, pagetop secured.

Also, nice work Noraa and Norweg for outting another PR. I'm not salty though.

That still doesn't change the fact that your case on Duppin was bad.

ah i re-read 2525, I retract my salty comment about player quality. The vast majority of players here are actually good, and have played with lots of you before. Just irritated I need to actually claim Day 1.

In post 2527, NorwegianboyEE wrote:That still doesn't change the fact that your case on Duppin was bad.

I'll accept your apology.

I'll tell you what - your read was WRONG.

My read MAY BE RIGHT.

So how about giving me the benefit of the doubt?

I didn't properly case duppin to be fair, as it's really so obvious. there's just no point. once the majority of players show up, i'm pretty sure we can get some momentum there.

You might just be faking it to gain momentum for your push here, but eh.
You'll have to commit yourself either way.

In post 2531, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You might just be faking it to gain momentum for your push here, but eh.
You'll have to commit yourself either way.

consider me committed lad!

VOTE: Duppin
Well the spotlight is now on you.

Looking forward to an response.

If Duppin ever flips town and BM can't actually confirm his role in a believable way then don't buy his BS.
He can make some extremely bold moves as scum.

excellent vote, and you're right i am great as scum. but not so great as to be able to Mod-confirm myself town.

cool stat: out of 23 completed games this year, I've survived to the end in 14 of them, 10 victories, 4 endgame-defeats. From those 23 games, I was lunched in only 3. So, not LHF

so battle mage are you still around?

i apologise in advance for quoting the big wall of text

In post 2481, Battle Mage wrote:i tried to case duppin, but too many scummy posts to count. like, read his bloody ISO for goodness sake. If you can't see

duppin is obvscum

, no amount of coaching from me is gonna help you like every post oozes it.

i'll be honest scumtells and a couple other randoms

In post 613, duppin wrote:i believe he said he was from another site but yes i think it is fairly obvious it is an alt and most likely someone from MS, but i dont think that is a reason for me to be more open to the idea of selfvoting

to be honest

In post 597, duppin wrote:

In post 364, Redados wrote:I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

i have to admit

that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious

In post 1020, duppin wrote:hm

I am going to be honest

Noraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.

60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive

In post 1482, duppin wrote:

In post 1473, shellyc wrote: will tentatively jump on duppin wagon since after revisiting their ISO didn’t look very good. they’re a big null and I want to pressure them

your progression on me is really difficult to follow

to be honest

, but i will bite. Why do you think my ISO looks bad?

In post 1507, duppin wrote:

In post 1504, shellyc wrote:jester + duppin role fishing scum?

I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS

in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?

no matter what your alignment is I really think you need to drop the role fishing angle because no one talked about roles until you brought it up the second time i asked you if you were going to follow up on your statement since you said you would do so. you were the first and only one to indirectly paint yourself as a role, i have not asked for your role at any point all I did was ask you if you were going to follow up on your claim saying that your confidence had nothing to do with your alignment which to me indicated that it had nothing to do with your role either, so i have no idea how you could reach the conclusion it could be rolefishing the second time

to be honest

.

In post 1509, duppin wrote:oh you said it was a playstyle choice. if that is the case then I think this was a weird play

to be honest

In post 2081, duppin wrote:

honestly i would

still like to hear from mundivore and plus before hammering

okay i thought this was a pretty funny read actually and i dont mean that in a condescending way, i just remember someone else pointing out my usage of to be honest a while ago.
anyway nonetheless it is a bad read though, as all it would be really easy for you to look up my games and see its just the way i type and has nothing to do with alignment, but ill even go further and say i kind of doubt that this is alignment indicative for anyone. out of curiousity , could you link to games where you have caught scum with this since you seem to suggest you have done so before.

In post 2138, duppin wrote:tayl0r i just read your claim and while i am not entirely sure i believe it, it is definitely enough for me to not want to lim you. would you still like me to respond to your posts?

yuck, keeping your options open to elim a town PR? gross[/quote]
how am I keeping my options open by saying I do not want to lim her slot?

In post 2120, duppin wrote:i have no intention of quickhammering, ill respond to all of your posts as soon as possible probably in 30 min or so

LAMIST

i mean sure you could maybe argue for this if you ignore the context. it was a response to tayl0r saying people to let her speak before hammering in 2110.

In post 1710, duppin wrote:by the way

i genuinely think

the spam in this game has been a bit too much but perhaps thats just me, but keep in mind this is with 1 player being vl/a, 1 replacement and 1 slot still waiting to be replaced

In post 618, duppin wrote:I decided to go ISO Jester one more time.
I do

actually

believe he is town. I absolutely hate his self voting and I hope he stops doing it, but I am not interested in creating unnecessary distractions by pushing a policy lynch apparently no one else agrees with when I believe the player is most likely town.

UNVOTE:

In post 743, duppin wrote:

In post 740, NorwegianboyEE wrote:VOTE: Saduade

oh thats tempting actually

i have absolutely no idea what you think this is though

I am not even sure how to respond to this actually. Your "case" on me is based on something that is very easy to verify I do as either alignment. The fact that you are tunneling on it is so weird to me.

Duppin, is BM scum or town.

Btw Hectic, you wouldn’t be so mean as to try to pocket me this game right?
We’re too good friends for that right?

In post 2509, Battle Mage wrote:could i make you a deal that if duppin flips town today, i promise you can flip me tomorrow?

wait what if you are town then this is a ridiculous thing to say, since from your point of view you should know that you are town so even if you mislim to me you should not just accept being limmed the next day for being wrong when your case is so weak, makes no sense to do such a play on day 1.

im actually considering almost agreeing to this if everyone goes along with it simply because either you are scum which is great or you are town doing an absolutely awful play which I kind of would like to see being punished. but no really if you do end up limming me today i dont want people to automatically lim you for being wrong, i only want them to lim you if they find you scummy

In post 2540, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Duppin, is BM scum or town.

well he claims to be a pr that can confirm himself which i am unsure what to think of. its a very vague claim and i am unsure as to what he means with confirming himself

i think his entrance is scummy. ignoring his scumread on me, his reads are still completely different to mine so if he is town it means one of us is reading the game completely wrong and i am obviously leaning more on him being wrong in that case due to the fact that he just replaced in and that could explain his lackluster reads plus the fact that i am his topscum which i know is wrong.
I was considering that he was perhaps trying to do some odd reaction test but he seems really dedicated to this so i find that hard to believe at this point.

i think the slot is pretty scummy, but on the off chance he is a town pr and one that can prove himself i have a hard time justifying a vote on him day 1

Battle Mage I would like you to make an actual case on me. You claimed I am "the scummiest slot ever" so I imagine it should be relatively easy for you, the thing is im not getting anything from you when you just trying to push a weird "saying honestly = scum" read that is very easy to prove is factually wrong

hi Duppin, I don't have much time atm, but just to conclude with a couple things:

1. From my early impressions, I respect you as a player regardless of what you flip, and don't think you've played badly here.
2. I think the points you have made above are broadly fair, and I'm not going to pick them apart with a fine toothcomb.
3. My reasons for suspecting you are much more than I've posted in thread, but I don't want to over-effort this. People will come to their own views.
4. I'm going to try and elim you today, as my gut is you are scum. It's not a personal thing.
5. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - that's mafia. But I'm prepared to take heat tomorrow for it of course, without excuses.

To the peanut gallery: I may well get NKed tonight regardless, so if I do, you have my reads - at least look into them, especially if duppin flips red. there's lots of partner-equity in that group. If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll effort more.

did you want to do a final readslist beforehand? - if you flip town and I'm around tomorrow, I commit to giving it due consideration.

In post 2545, Battle Mage wrote:hi Duppin, I don't have much time atm, but just to conclude with a couple things:

1. From my early impressions, I respect you as a player regardless of what you flip, and don't think you've played badly here.
2. I think the points you have made above are broadly fair, and I'm not going to pick them apart with a fine toothcomb.
3. My reasons for suspecting you are much more than I've posted in thread, but I don't want to over-effort this. People will come to their own views.

But see the issue with you not providing any reasoning besides a meta read that has already been proven to be wrong, people have already pushed on me several times today making up their opinion on my slot, so if you are town why would they from your point of view change their opinion just because of a wrong meta read? (also if you are town and you end up mislimming me today you probably need to look at people being swayed by this since it is proven to be wrong)

4. I'm going to try and elim you today, as my gut is you are scum. It's not a personal thing.

and that is another issue - if you are so confident I am scum why are would you not try to present a proper case on me to lim me? i dont think your attitude really lines up with your apparent read on me

In post 2547, duppin wrote:

In post 2545, Battle Mage wrote:hi Duppin, I don't have much time atm, but just to conclude with a couple things:

1. From my early impressions, I respect you as a player regardless of what you flip, and don't think you've played badly here.
2. I think the points you have made above are broadly fair, and I'm not going to pick them apart with a fine toothcomb.
3. My reasons for suspecting you are much more than I've posted in thread, but I don't want to over-effort this. People will come to their own views.

But see the issue with you not providing any reasoning besides a meta read that has already been proven to be wrong, people have already pushed on me several times today making up their opinion on my slot, so if you are town why would they from your point of view change their opinion just because of a wrong meta read? (also if you are town and you end up mislimming me today you probably need to look at people being swayed by this since it is proven to be wrong)

4. I'm going to try and elim you today, as my gut is you are scum. It's not a personal thing.

and that is another issue - if you are so confident I am scum why are would you not try to present a proper case on me to lim me? i dont think your attitude really lines up with your apparent read on me

mon ami

Welcome to the BM School of Scumhunting.

In post 2546, Battle Mage wrote:did you want to do a final readslist beforehand? - if you flip town and I'm around tomorrow, I commit to giving it due consideration.

no not really, not because i dont want to but more so because my reads would really depend on how this goes down. As stated above if I get mislynched due to a player refusing to present an actual case and instead going with a meta read that another player has already proven is wrong, then it does not seem reasonable to me that town would be swayed by it (well if they do then that's really poor of them), id reckon it is more likely scum would.

i understand there is some slight bias in that but i think the logic is relatively easy to understand though. if a player already has a town read on me it does not make sense for them to do a 180 on me because a player says he has meta read that is easy to verify, would you not agree? hence why I think it is questionable of you to not present a case if you are town and really believe i am scum