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Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:50 pm**

You will never be ritualled, Cult aren't generally in the business of doing town favours.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:39 am**

Furcolow wrote:i'm not going to rez tonight, so people with resuscitation kits may save me if they would like. i would rob two graves. i'm fine not robbing, though. i will just search for forensics in all likelihood.

Again reiterating why it is impossible to include you in any sort of critical role for night actions. "I may rob, might not, who knows...I'll just pull it out of my ass at the last second." Seriously Furc, I thought you had learned your lesson from the last game that just doing your own thing at nights is not the way to play this game. I hate to be the wagging finger mother here, but you make it difficult for the town to plan effective night actions.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:50 am**

El Goosuki wrote:OMG Nicodemus made a post WITHOUT A VOTE!!!!

Why so shy, suddenly?

Is there anything he could have done to not have raised your suspicions? Because I'm sure if he had voted you would have still suspected him more.

Andrius wrote:WJR makes a good point about there being only one Murderer left, but when I considered (pre-game) going Murderer I decided that if I did I was to start late; aka, Stalk N1. So I think you're on the right path, but we'll be more certain after another night's reveals.

Two things.
1. I doubt anybody going murderer would actually wait until night 1 to start, because that makes winning about twice as hard, when it is already a difficult role to play. Tbe longer you wait to start murderering, the more people that will be dead when you start murderering which means more attention is on you due to a smaller pool of possible cult/murderers. Anybody that started murdering last night or still hasn't started, is almost definitely not going to win as murderer. There's also no reason for a murderer to wait to begin stalking/killing.
2. There are two grave rob plans which are being discussed right now. One of them is geared towards stopping murderers and the other plan is for focusing on cult. Both plans involve the same arrangement for grave robbing during this night, but not any of the other nights. However, and in conclusion (in case you didn't understand any of that), we will know if anybody is going murderer before we have to choose which factions we are focusing on.

Seacore wrote:Wicked: I think Wicked should grave rob twice, and I don't think Wicked needs to be backed up by anybody else, since he's the least likely to be cult.

@ Wicked, do you agree to this?

No. I agree with me grave robbing two graves tonight, but I don't think I should do it by myself. We need to prevent as many people as possible from performing their night actions if we want to stop the murderer from winning.

Seacore wrote:Benmage Benmage should single grave rob, I'd love him to double rob, but he's not going to agree to that.

What's the point of Benmage robbing one grave?

Seacore wrote:Thoughts?

I don't really like your plan. I really think we need to focus on the murderer with the grave robbing. We can and should try to lynch scum during the day. Murderers are going to be hard to find based on what they say in this thread, because their posting will be almost identical to if they were town. So, we have to stop them during the night, and it is extremely important in this case in particular, because there is only one which means winning is much easier for them.

Here is my idea for the grave robbing plan tonight:

ReaperCharlie - Furcolow & Andrius
Fate - Furcolow & Triglav
Lost Butterfly - Wickedestjr & Andrius
Day 2 Lynch - Wickedestjr & Triglav

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:05 am**

Why Triglav and Andrius?

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:16 am**

I narrowed the playerlist down to five or six people that I thought could be going murderer and chose those two randomly.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:41 am**

Who are the six and why do you think they could be going murderer?

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:45 am**

I'd also like to hear why you suspect them of going murderer cause your grave rob plan seems pretty random and silly if you ask me.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:08 am**

Why do we care who might be going murderer again?

I really don't care if there are people on the grave robbing roster that people perceive as being potential murderers, I am mainly concerned with getting people robbing graves that aren't cult.

Also murderers with an insanity of 9 can stalk twice, so having people you suspect are going murderer rob 2 graves seems stupid to me.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:20 am**

Also not sure what the ideal grave robbing plan would be but Seacore's proposal seems ok.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:40 am**

There was a lot of POE involved. I doubt Benmage is going murderer because he pretty much ruined his chances by saying he stalked players. I doubt El Goosuki, Iecerint, kunkstar7, Seacore, or VP Baltar would be trying to become murderers because they didn't last game. I took off several players that I thought really looked like they were trying to find scum and didn't have any other agenda or didn't seem to care about their survival more than they should. I also took off some of my stronger suspects because cult can't become murderers. That left:

Andrius
Feysal
Nicodemus
nopointinactingup
Triglav
xvart

I don't see how my plan is silly. There is only one murderer which means they don't have to worry about getting rid of the other murderers or murderering the most players (which are two of the requirements for their win condition). That means all they have to do is murder three times successfully. It's one player out of 25 that we have to find/stop before day 6. We only have three nights to stop them unless we manage to get lucky and lynch them. Keep in mind, it doesn't matter if we have scum grave robbing every night and lynch them every day if the murderer murders three times. Finding murderers based on discussion alone during the day isn't going to be easy at all. Finding cult during the day is much easier. The best way to stop murderers is by using the grave robbing. Forensic kits, occult books, and resuscitation kits are great, but they don't stop kills (resuscitation kits could, but it involves trying to guess who is getting killed instead of preventing players' night actions). I don't even think that this plan is very harmful to us anyway. If we delay the murderer a few nights, then it won't be as big a problem and we can focus more on cult and in the process of trying to stop murderers, we'll probably stop several cult along the way.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:58 am**

Someone who wishes to take on the murder action can't win until day 6, and the only way they will win is if they are the only one.

Trying to stop people from becoming murderers isn't something I really consider a priority as people are going to make the decision to become one based on oppurtunity, which no amount of organizing actions is likely to prevent.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:01 am**

Three more things:
1. I think Baby Spice and xvart both warding the same player is a null tell. The chances of two players warding the same people aren't really that astronomical.
2. I guess Fate was going murderer.
3. I think Nicodemus is town.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:03 am**

There

is

only one murderer. Otherwise there wouldn't be only one murder. If there are multiple murderers then we will find out before this plan causes any possible damage. They can't win until day 6 which seems like a long time from now, but in reality, that is only three nights that we have to stop them unless they die.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:07 am**

There actually aren't any murderers yet. In order to become a murderer, one has to kill twice successfully.

Also this quoted from the mod FAQ

"Q: The Murderer Win Condition actually doesn't require everyone else to be dead. What happens when a Murderer fulfils their Win Condition? Does the game continue?
A: Game ends, Murderer wins! Winning as a Murderer takes at least 6 nights worth of effort, and a lot of luck."

It's not 3 nights, it's 6. To get to day 6, we'd have to go through 6 nights, and the mod FAQ even says it would take 6 nights.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:24 am**

It would actually be night 5, but same difference. I think cult should take priority atm. Right now I think the best way to catch the murderer out is occult books by people with zero insanities atm. If we still don't have a clue tomorrow or the next day, then murderer needs to be number one priority. Just my two cents.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:07 pm**

Hi everyone! I've been reading. Here are my notes through page 20: -_-

IEC, IN HIS DIGITAL JOURNAL, wrote:Notes on SA3

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1. I have not heard Noise either night.

2. This is my second Stars Aligned game -- I was in SA2 -- but I was Murdered N1 in that game. I still followed SA2 to the end, but I didn't bother keeping track of all the complex rule discrepancies players claimed as I followed along, though.

3. Noise claims are pretty necessary to keep things straight and spot discrepancies later on. hito's rhetoric shows lack of familiar with the Ward action. Weakly implies that he is scum, since scum are on average maybe slightly less familiar with the Ward action. On the other hand, scum have daytalk.

4. Who's the other half of LostButterfly...? <_<

5. OK, so. It looks like Furco is scum on D1 for lying about Noise/Ward. This is not an error Investigators would make, especially since he follows up by saying that it should be rectified. So why is he still alive?

6. Oh. A mod error. Town on Furco, now and forever. I bet he heard noise N1.

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7. Furco is silly in 27. Searching for an RK is the ideal action for pretty much every player. But he is still town.

8. MoI's 29 looks scummy. Lots of irrelevant stuff -- no reason to discuss Murderers that don't exist, except to point out that it is a move for players who don't care about winning if taken early, etc. -- and a smear on townFurco.

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9. Leaning town on xvart from 52-53 (he posts the Noise bit and corrects RC). The list itself is nullish, but the post before it is also good.

10. Is D1 going to end in an RC lynch? Cuz idk about this "why I want Furco alive" rhetoric. That is old news. May be scumtalk telling someone to point it out without noticing its been done.

[cheats]

Yeah...no IC, though, so idk.

10. Benmage is aggressively dumb in 55. Kunkstar is scum for wanting to lynch Fate. Then he votes Fate. Dunno what the "I didn't hear noise" claim is about.

11. OH. OK. So why the hell are both Benmage and Fate still alive? EDIT: Wait, why the hell does Benmage stalking Fate have to do with anything.

12. Fate is female?

13. Why does everything think Fate is scum?

14. Also, why would Benmage want to wagon someone he'd just stalked...? <_<

15. Also, why would ANYONE stalk N1, since town can only Stalk once? EDIT: Oh, right; Benmage is just a dummy.

16. LB echos my feelings in 83.

17. OK...why we got RC over Benmage is getting ugh.

18. OMG IT'S FARADAY OR MAYBE FARSIDE OR SOMETHING WITH MINA OMG HI MINA. <3

19. God I want to kill Benmage. Not because he's cult, though.

20. Seacore 130 is scummy. While it's true that killing Benmage is tempting, there's no real reason to do it prematurely.

(I've stopped bothering with pages now. I'll put little pages in occasionally, but I may forget.)

21. RC apparently DID hear noise (via rewq). Question is who's more likely to freak out in the thread when that happens. Not sure I know.

22. META-THOUGHT

I just realized that Fate definitely didn't Stalk N1, so he was probably proper scum (unless he got petty and stalked N1). But lots of people irrationally thought Fate was scum D1. Possible really fail distancing? I can't remember who did it, though.

23. sottyrulez gets scumpoints for whining about discourse not being productive.

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24. @ hito I think Murders and NKs have distinct flavor, so that wouldn't work (178). Also, you're forgetting the opportunity cost of missing a resuscitation kit.
ALSO, YOU'RE FORGETTING THAT FATE IS NOT NECESSARILY CULT.
ALERT ALERT ALERT. SCUM SCUM SCUM.

Vote: hitogoroshi

25. MoI is very wrong in 187. I mean, what he STATES is accurate, but he's ignoring really important information. Furco is town.

26. Yeah, SK wouldn't take Suicidal for sure...it's an impossible win. Of course, he could just be lying.

27. Vox failing to accept FurcoTown looks bad.

28. rewq is not reading the rules carefully enough.

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29. Good catch from Furco. AureusVox made the same error as hito before. Possible scum connection, if someone posted to make this error to appear town. I remember discussion about lack of familiarity with the rules looking town in SA2.

30. RC's certainty that BM is scum looks bad. So does his thought that both are scum (245) . Those are both unlikely cases. If Fate flips scum, I wouldn't be surprised to see RC flip scum-who-found-resus-kit.

31. SX is. Uh. Idk.

32. RC's vote for SeaCore kinda makes sense, though. I guess. What the hell did Seacore mean back there, anyway? I don't remember someone making that claim.

33. OMG ANDY <3<3<3<3<3 Even though implying Furco is not confirmed town is scummy, because the only way anyone would EVER think that at this point is if they were scum with him.

34. I will write SX/Fate slash someday.

35. @ Andy -- I think Furco's gotten better since SA2. A little. I know he made a solid effort in Holy Orders, for example.

36. I am disappointed with Andy's catch-up post, by and large. Please be town, Andy.

37. I agree with Mina or Faraday or whoever the hell LB is in that post. EDIT: I think it's Faraday

38. VDV's comeback post is really bad. Ignores TONS of stuff; votes someone with like 1 post. Who'd voted scum (probably).

THOUGH: If it looked like Fatescum was going to die, you'd think scum would try to distance from him a little more. But then there's so much irrational chainsawing going on protecting him so idk.

39. WTF WHY DO PEOPLE NOT GET THAT FURCO IS CONFIRMED TOWN GOD. @ BABY SPICE 292.

40. Now Plum's doing the same thing as VDV...I dunno...I suppose I might've thought Fate was town in context...

41. RC's 298 doesn't make sense. If someone claimed a Ward on you, that means you won't die, cuz it would show that they didn't really Ward you.

42. I JUST NOTICED THAT BABY SPICE'S AVATAR IS MR. TENNANT. YAY.

43. HOWEVER: Warding at random seems dumb. I'd think naive town would search for items.

44. Now everyone is careening away from my reads...as DGB says VDV is town...

45. Furco -- I think Plum played to her scum meta as I understand it in your Greek Mythology mafia. Or I'm pretty sure that was your game...

EDIT: It was DeathNote. BUT -- that's a game I'd flip through. I called her scum mostly on the basis of meta there and was correct.

46. Why does Andy have a high opinion of CSL? I don't know Tripod, though. Another player supporting a Bowser wagon on the basis of literally nothing. I don't get it.

47. gj finding BMtown, tho.

48. Andy is super-cute, but his post is not very pro-town...

49. Y'know, Bowser may actually be scum distancing from Fate, if that's what scum decided to do. idk. CSL's Unvote post (344) looks really dumb.

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FASCINATING FACT: MY SLOT HAS YET TO POST.

50. Mina-my-super-town-friend-half-of-LB returns. <3

51. Not sure why Mina doesn't like MoI/Spy/Andy for possible scum...SX is a little iffy, but that's all.

52. I love that she is the ONLY ONE to share my view of Bowser. I even thought everyone was being weird about Bowser BEFORE I knew that Bowser was CSL. <_<

53. VDV has the WORST SCUMLIST EVAR in 390. WORST EVAR. HORRIBLE.*

* I suppose he could add Furco to make it a little worse.

54. Hmm. I wonder what Andy will list as his scum meta re: Wicked...

55. THERE'S the Furco I know and love. <3

56. But seriously Furco, LB is definitely Town.

57. I think "Drippereth" is unambiguously intended for the Dripp+Katsu hydra.

BUT, Percy should probably confirm whether "Drippereth" pregame would have defaulted to El Goosuki. That kind of ability resolution stuff should be known to the players.

I still think Furco is near 100% Town based on someone's (Seacore's?) prior claim that Elli and Drip post outside the hydra in QTs. As such, there's no extra reason for Furco to make that mistake as scum. There IS a greater chance of him lying, but that's separate.

A thought: since Seacore knows this well enough to bring it up, you'd think he'd be more hesitant to lynch Furco. Slightly odd play there.

58. Furco's claim that Mina intentionally posted as Mina is LOL-tastic. Oh man.

Also: you're asking about pragmatics, not semantics.

59. I love you, Furco.

60. God, SSBF tries to 1-up VDV with an awful scumlist. Seriously. idk wtf is going on with you people. I guess RC is kinda scummy, tho.

61. Oh man. I will write Furc/all slash.

62. idk why Percy won't just confirm Furco's request. We're outguessing Percy to determine Furco's alignment regardless of whether hes the extra mile. Whatever.

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63. I really don't think LB is scum, Furc. I mean, I do have an irrational affection for Mina, but still.

64. SSBF is scummy (491). Possibly a weak distancing MoI, since his attitude there doesn't jive with his anti-Furc ideology.

65. Three cheers for AV voting MoI before it was cool! Yay! Maybe he's town after all.

66. Yeah..I like pretty much all his views. I still don't like hito's one point if Fate flips scum, though. AT ALL. But literally everyone all game (sans me) has been like OMG HITO <3<3 so I'm not gonna bitch too much about that.

67. Hito gets town points for saving Furcie. <3 He needs to explain that post from way back, though.

68.

HIGHLIGHTS:

hito, what's up with the part I voted you for? You make some definite town moves after that, but that part REALLY stuck out.

Scum right now are MoI/Seacore/VDV/SSBF, and maybe Andy, off the top of my head. Town reads on Furco, LB, DGB, Benmage, AV, xvart...idk, probably some others. I can answer specific questions people have. Note that the notes are just whatever came up chronologically as I read through, and I still have like 80% of the game to read.

Also, there have been 23 new pages since I joined the game. So that's just wonderful.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:43 pm**

Can't wait for MoI forever. Will explain "terribad" question later if need be. It was really very cool.

Vote: MagnaOfIllusion

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:13 pm**

Wickedestjr #2559 wrote:I don't see how my plan is silly. There is only one murderer which means they don't have to worry about getting rid of the other murderers or murderering the most players (which are two of the requirements for their win condition). That means all they have to do is murder three times successfully. It's one player out of 25 that we have to find/stop before day 6. We only have three nights to stop them unless we manage to get lucky and lynch them.

While I understand your concern about the murderer, I'm not sure what the best method for hunting him down would be. The odds of us being able to delay the murderer even by a single night are quite low, but at least we can clear some players of suspicion that way.

Something we should not forget is that the cult also has cause to be worried about the murderer, and though we can't count on them catching the murderer for us, we can expect them to try. One thing of note here is that the murderer cannot false claim receiving a fetish to explain an insanity, since the cult would definitely kill him for that. The three players who received fetishes should be less likely to be murderers because of that - unless one of them in fact has three insanities, and only claimed one. This is something I'd like the cult to think about, if they pass any more fetishes, they may end up helping the murderer hide his insanities.

Meanwhile, what we need most is information, so we should commune as many players as we can. Even if you have an insanity already, it does not matter - since the murderer must have two by now, he can still be caught by commune if you have one.

This weekend I need to post a

V/LA

due to orchestra rehearsals. I'll try to keep up with posts, but I'll probably have even less time for replies than past weekends.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:53 pm**

IEC, IN THE SECOND CHAPTER OF HIS JOURNAL, wrote:PAGE 21

INTERESTING NOTE: MY SLOT HAS YET TO POST.

69. Feysal is...first post?

Furcowagon Peak AFAICT wrote:MagnaofIllusion, kunkstar7, xvart, Baby Spice, Lost Butterfly, Seacore, Super Smash Bros. Fan
70. Don't know why LB thinks Seacore is town (534).

71. Mina is my super-town friend re: furco, though. I can blame all that weird crap on Faraday.

72. MoI's vote for AV continues the trend of his literally never targetting a player I don't think is town.

73. Kmd is in this game? Anyway, his response to hitogashi's example is bad. Retroactive scumpoints for him.

LOL AT THIS LITERALLY ALL BEING D1. MOTHER FUCKING GOD.

74. I thought Fate had thought Furc was town all along (560)?

75. AV <3

76. SX mocks what is literally my favorite post in the entire game so far (578).

77. BS thinking Furco is scum at this point is scummy. She was weakly defending him when his wagon looked golden.

78. I want to know why Plum is DGB's BaAaaaAA pipl (591).

79. I like Plum more again (599-600). Want DGB to say why she's no good.

80. OOH, xvart and BS have BOTH claimed a MoI Ward now...

Why didn't xvart claim this earlier when he was making the Wards list...?

Calling Furco scum makes xvart scum.

81. hito is town now. dunno wtf was up with that early-game post.

82. YAY FOR HITO USING ECON TALK. I LOVE THOSE FOLK. <3

83. LB is so town. I had the EXACT SAME IMPRESSION as him re: Baby Spice (638), but I'm still ambivalent about her.

84. FURCO. STOP TRYIGN TO LYNCH LB.

85. RC is less likely scum with Fate as of 718 or so. So too bad for the ultimate lynch, unless Fate stalked N1 like a dummy.

86. WTF RC's POST IS SO BAD 730 OMGWTFBBQ

87. SX introduces scumAdel's plan from SA2 AFAICT. But I liked the plan back then, I guess.

88. Really? I always assumed that Andy was at least queer. EDIT: OK, so I guess that doesn't not fit but.

89. I'm leaning town on VP, but the LBwagon is a bad idea.

90. xvart, however, is scum for joining said wagon (807).

91. I agree with Wicked's subsequent post 130%. We are twins!

92. OMG DGB DO NOT BE SCUM GOD. All my favorite players are scum this game. EDIT: Re:voting AV IIRC.

93. lolirl at Fate's 858 re: DGB. HOWEVER: DGB did lurk a lot as town in SA2, and I thought she was scum there until she flipped.

94. There's some real weirdness with all these posts complaining about a TIME PARADOX around here.

Also, stuff for a LOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNG time has just been commentary on earlier events. I am skimming. When's the fucking RC wagon gonna come... <_<

95. Yay! Maybe NP will say something novel in a few pages when he finally joins the game -_-

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Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:53 pm**

Is there no way to jump to a specific page? Going over manually is extremely tedious.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:05 pm**

Furcolow, 2487 wrote:How have ANY of my night actions been "unreliable"?

You sent in a night action on a player not playing in the game.

Seacore, 2490 wrote:I agree, and I'm not worried about his lying so much as I'm worried about his constant changing plans. He's done it both days. How can we trust that 5 hours before Night he's not going to say "actually, I'm planning on stalking somebody" or something akin.

I agree with Seacore. Furculow should not be relied on to help with grave robbing. His mind has changed who knows how many times on whether or not he is going to grave rob, who he is going to grave rob, whether or not he's going to tell us if he is grave robbing, ad nauseum, despite all efforts to make a plan that is going to benefit the town. Who knows if, in the middle of the night, he's going to be like "oh wait, this is a better plan I'm doing something else," just like he has done thus far.

If he wants to rob graves on top of whatever plans we make, power to him.

Furcolow, 2508 wrote:
Furpants_Tom wrote:Grave Rob Roster
RC = Wicked, 2nd Wagonee
Fate = Benmage, 3rd Wagonee
LB = Furcolow, 3rd Wagonee
Lynchee = Furcolow, 2nd Wagonee

Furcolow, would you agree to this roster?

Please for the love of god say
wicked is bloody
he does not need to be on RC
are you fucking dumb?

I don't really understand the point you are making, but just because someone is bloody does not mean they

have

to launder the next night. Shit, if he is nearly confirmed town and bloody, who cares if he launders or not? Might as well put him to use.

Benmage, 2518 wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:It's not proven, just pretty likely. It's possible the cult no killed, but I doubt it in a game this large on the first night. He's like 99% town.
What if cult never killed...and just sought to out play the town. They could do all town-like night actions, and pass fetishes to cause in sanities and never come up bloody or have to lie about night actions, meanwhile looking quite townie and causing mislynches..... HRmmmmm

Yes. And what if the moon is made of cheese?

Baby Spice, 2540 wrote:Ok. Grave rob plans:

I don't like that Seacore is making the plans. I don't consider him anywhere near town enough to be trusted to do that. I want the people making those plans to be the most town we have.
I personally don't want Furcolow anywhere near the robbing. I don't trust him. Sure he's fairly obv investigator, (Note investigator, not town) but I don't trust him not to decide to fake a result, no doubt for what he'd consider good reasons, especially if one of the town robbers ends up being killed by the cult or a murderer.
Finally, I don't want last minute confusion by people throwing idea's around. When it comes time to hammer, I think one of Wickedest, Hito, or VPB (as our towniest in decending order) should set themselves up to be the hammer vote, and that they publish what the graverob plan will be and then hammer. They can decide amongst themselves who does it.

Waited long enough for MoI to answer questions.

Vote MoI

So.... someone who is not confirmed town cannot participate in the planning stages? Do you see some loophole in the plan that could be easily exploited by the Cult? If anything, Cult would want to participate in the planning and make a legitimate plan to appear to be town. Maybe they would include some loophole but that would be pointed out and then (hopefully) pressured to see if it was intentional, what their motives were surrounding that, etc. But the fact that you dismiss it just by saying Seacore isn't town enough without pointing out any flaws or analyzing motives is highly suspect.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Baby Spice

Furcolow, 2544 wrote:seacore is scared i will pull the rug out from under him and catch my cultist "wagonee" not robbing

his plan is asinine, and the cult can weigh votes to get the 2nd and 3rd wagonee with someone who is "town" enough to get ONE corpse dust.

the best plan is to have me on 2, and another confirmed town on 2 (benmage/wickedest)
who gives a fuck about the wagonees, and splitting it 4 ways?
you're enabling cult to get 1 dust

who says hito isnt cult?
who says vp baltar isnt cult?
the wagonee can just skimp, and they know the town can do it

if you are town, and in this "grave rob plan", you are potentially getting the wool pulled over your eyes.

The point is that if two people are assigned to a grave it both would have to be Cult to get Corpse Dust. Just talking about the odds we aren't likely to put two Cult members on the same grave robbing plan, and if we add in selecting people there won't be any Dust to grab.

xvart.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:38 pm**

Xvart, how about the fact that Seacore is the one who added Furc to the town side of the rob list. You know, Mr. reliable. Hell, I don't think he even gets the point of the grave rob plan

He added benmage to the town side of the plan. You know, the guy who has already stalked twice and refuses to do what the town wants him too? (He should be on the murderer side or not at all. Why give a potential murderer extra insanities)

Seacore added the two unreliable elements to the plan, on the side that should be reliable. He keeps posting "official" plans and such. I never said he shouldn't venture his opinion, but he shouldn't be one of the ones actually making the plans. That is for true blue , seriously general consensus townies.
I don't care which of the three do it, just that those three do it.

I find it hinky that you would vote me though, given that you also think that Furcolow is unreliable. Makes it sound like you want Seacore involved. Especially hinky after Wickedest calls your N0 action a null tell.

But more importantly, people keep on about will I participate. Only if truly trustworthy people do the planning and Furc is nowhere near it. Otherwise I wont trust the results nor participate.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:55 pm**

So where was I –

Oh yeah this is my sign-off post. I’m not really going to bother to fight the upcoming deadline. My apologies to Percy … you made a great game and I didn’t give it my all over the past 2 weeks. Too many other games and too much work combined for the distaste some have generated in me during this game.

UNVOTE: VV
VOTE: MoI

At least this way the rhetoric and crap-tastic case makers can have their play analyzed by the remaining Town.

Based on personal experience and gut the following players on my wagon are most likely to be Cult – VP Baltar, Trilobyte, Plum, Baby Spice.

Then perhaps throw in anyone who gnashes their teeth and wails about self-voting after this.

Obviously I’m not agreeing to any graveyard rob plan since I’ll be dead.

Wow look Fate had an insanity. Shocker. Yes, I’m purposefully still being a dick. Sue me.

Plum

– Your whole response at 2258 I really could care less about. I’ll summarize my read of it.

1. You admit to popping up because I called you not-obvTown.
2. You state that you are scum-hunting by making a case on Wraith that you let whaft into the ether and really didn’t push and for bantering with Spyrex. Ok. So why if Spyrex is scummier than expect haven’t you developed it. That’s right … because it’s not actual scum-hunting but busywork. Arguing against a Benmage lynch that was NEVER going to happen? Ok, that’s not scum-hunting either.
3. You don’t like that I singled you out for special attention. Sorry. You can parse skimming and ignoring my questions as valid by my ignoring yours in turn as scummy if you wish.
4. I love the pre-emptive defense of OMGUS. I’ve never actually accused that of actually being a Scum-tell ever.

Here’s the facts of the matter. I’m going to be dead today. I don’t really have the energy or will to put on a big, blustery show of why what amounts to a ‘Path of Least Resistance’ wagon on me is a bad Idea.

I’m not Cult. Cult knows this. Cult has every reason to cruise along with the flow of the tide and not make waves as I get wagonned. Is every Cult member going to do so? Nope … but some will. And you are a PRIME candidate for doing just that.

So yeah, when I flip Town I hope (but don’t expect) people to say ‘Hey, all those players pushing that easy lynch because MoI was mean might have had an ulterior motive.

VV wrote:Whuutt? *face palm*. I get it now though. You're obviously projecting! You're saying that the reason I'm tunneling on you is because you wounded my pride...when in reality, your pride is wounded because a 'subpar' player like me got a big wagon on you. And you are calling my reasons on voting you non-existent...because your reasons for voting me are non-existent! This is just classic psychology.

Continue to believe whatever you want VV. If it makes you feel better about yourself full steam ahead. Just remember – once again you are sadly and completely wrong. Continue the rhetoric and cheerleading though … it suits you.

AV wrote:And so here is my purpose: highlighting your hypocrisy between what you want people to think about you, and what you actually do. You logically ought to have been on the Ben wagon at some point today. Instead you have a vote on VV? Yeah.

You seriously think that I’ve been abrasive and mean but care what people think about me? Don’t be stupid. It’s pointless grandstanding to huff and puff about something you can’t control. And that’s exactly what Benmage’s behaviour is … something that can’t be controlled except by lynch.

Wicked wrote:The following players still need to give their opinions on kunkstar7:

At this late date I doubt your really care but I don’t really see kunkstar’s behavior as any more lynchworthy than the 6 to 10 other players doing exactly what he is doing. Keeping a low profile is a way to make it to later in the game.

Hito wrote:First thoughts: MoI seems have an intense "sneer" feel in his posts. He's not giving off the vibe of "geez, you guys are on the wrong track" as much as "HAHA, your case is PITIFUL." I tend to call this a pretty strong scumtell, but it's also one that's very meta-dependant (i.e, some players sneer against all cases against them all the time regardless of alignment.) Would appreciate someone with meta knowledge of MoI to weigh in on this one.

If we ever cross paths again Hito please don’t ever try to attack anyone else’s personal scum-tells. Because your ‘sneer’ tell isn’t any more useful or indicative as anything else like Lurker, Liar or VI lynching. Once I flip you’ll see that.

Furcolow wrote:He is a policy lynch because he is a good player. Furthermore, I feel like he would be posting more as town and whining less. I am keeping my vote where it is.

I have to laugh. Lynching lurkers, liars and VIs are bad policies. But lynching players just because they might be dangerous as scum? That’s Solid Gold right there.

Presents Furcolow with the VI of the Year Award

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:07 pm**

MagnaofIllusion wrote:
AV wrote:And so here is my purpose: highlighting your hypocrisy between what you want people to think about you, and what you actually do. You logically ought to have been on the Ben wagon at some point today. Instead you have a vote on VV? Yeah.
You seriously think that I’ve been abrasive and mean but care what people think about me? Don’t be stupid. It’s pointless grandstanding to huff and puff about something you can’t control. And that’s exactly what Benmage’s behaviour is … something that can’t be controlled except by lynch.

I mean what people think about what you do i.e. whether what you do is scummy or not. But you avoided my question re: justifying

not

voing BenMage. Instead you chose to go for the "don't be stupid" comment.

Posted: **Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:08 pm**

*voting, bah spelling mistake

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