Last count of day one.In post 1218, Lost Butterfly wrote:, Plum, xRECKONERx
Venmar- (2):chamber, Katsuki
xRECKONERx - (1):Lady Lambdadelta
Plum - (2):Flipping Awesome,Cerulean
sangres, Shadoweh, Tim Howard, ChannelDelibird[/color], Nobody Special,Katsuki - (10):Venmar,Sixty, Untrod Tripod,[/color]Nero Cain, Sheep Majiffy or Thor[/area]
sangres- (1):kanyeknowsbest
Not voting - (0):--
With18alive it takes10to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:26th of April at 5pmIrish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)
CDB is V/la
fixed uhIn post 2555, Cerulean wrote:Last count of day one.In post 1218, Lost Butterfly wrote:, Plum, xRECKONERx
Venmar- (2):chamber, Katsuki
xRECKONERx - (1):Lady Lambdadelta
Plum - (2):Flipping Awesome,Cerulean
sangres, Shadoweh, Tim Howard, ChannelDelibird[/color], Nobody Special,Katsuki - (10):Venmar,Sixty, Untrod Tripod,[/color]Nero Cain, Sheep Majiffy or Thor[/area]
sangres- (1):kanyeknowsbest
Not voting - (0):--
With18alive it takes10to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:26th of April at 5pmIrish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)
CDB is V/la
I'm just going to put these here for now. I'll do something with them after I read.
Day TwoIn post 1986, Lost Butterfly wrote:kanyeknowsbest- (8):Plessiez, Zdenek, Tim Howard, Plum, Flipping Awesome, [/color]Nero Cain, Nobody Special,Cerulean
Nero Cain - (7):Shadoweh,Venmar,Lady Lambdadelta, xRECKONERx,kanyeknowsbest, Untrod Tripod,chamber
Not voting - (0):--
With15alive it takes8to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:11th of May at 8:10pmIrish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-05-11 15:10:00)[/color]
No one is V/la.[/area]
In post 2309, Lost Butterfly wrote:Lady Lambdadelta- (7)chamber, Untrod Tripod, Tim Howard,xRECKONERx,Zdenek, Cerulean,Venmar
[/color]Venmar -(3)Nero Cain, Plum, Nobody Special
Untrod Tripod - (1)Lady Lambdadelta
Not voting - (2):Flipping Awesome,Shadoweh
With13alive it takes7to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:3rd of June at 2:15amIrish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-02 21:15:00)[/color][/area]
Venmar will be lynched with 6 votes this day phase.
Plum is V/LA.
In post 2380, Lost Butterfly wrote:
Venmar(7) -Cerulean,Nero Cain, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special,Tim Howard,Venmar,Sheep Thor or Sheep Majiffy
Not voting - (5):Shadoweh, Zdenek, Plum, Flipping Awesome, xRECKONERx
With11alive it takes6to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:17th of June at 3:30pmIrish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-16 22:30:45)[/color]
Plum is V/la. Tammy's head is V/la.[/area]
Day 5In post 2539, Lost Butterfly wrote:Tim Howard- (5):Cerulean, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, xRECKONERx, Flipping Awesome
Nobody Special - (1):Tim Howard
Not voting - (3):Zdenek, Plum, [/color]Nero Cain
With9alive it takes5to lynch.
Deadline for Day 5:18th of June at 9:45pmIrish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-18 16:45:21)
Nero Cain is V/la[/area]
You hedge hard on Tim Howard here. The underlined part says essentially nothing. I could buy that you were waffling or don't know what to think of Tim Howard but I tend to find that it is easy to follow the thought processes of players that waffle a lot, but in your case, I have no idea what you are trying to say. I think you are saying that Tim Howard is too bad to be scum but maybe he is? Your next sentence is a valid point. Yet, it is a point that has already been hashed out before. You offer no new opinions or insights.In post 542, Plum wrote:Rolecop, etc. Even if that were needed given what everyone's saying about the Moderation team's design ethos.In post 429, xRECKONERx wrote:Why would atown framerever use his ability if it isn't compulsive? The only way atown framerworks is if it's negative utility, and it's only negative utility if it's compulsive. Not believing the claim.
To summarize my take on the thread since my V/LA:
Everything to do with Tim Howard makes me hate things. Like the meta. Thanks to Hearthstone, I've now learned to complain about it as its own entity, not just as a pseudo-scumhunting crutch.There are just things I can't imagine are reliable long-term scum tactics, that he is consistently doing, but perhaps they are.Harping and harping on Sixty's behavior towards Blue-Tammy to no scumread or scumhunting or possible positive effect, for one (for most, actually, of what I recall of his posting these past two days).
You hedge on Katsuki here again offering nothing substantial and not committing to any position on him. You talk about his wagon not engaging him. I don't understand what the relevance of it in relation to alignment.In post 542, Plum wrote:Certainly I only partly get the on-and-off-again Katsuki wagon, which isn't even engaging the guest of honor (so why bother with it?), and am utterly lukewarm on the stuttering attempts to broker a Shadoweh wagon. I'd love to just trust CDB on everything - it would make this hellish Day 1 a lot easier, cut TH and was it Ven or Zed or some other recurring topic out for the noise column right away.
You again hedge your read on CDB. If you wanted to see what CDB had done so far, it isn't very difficult to check his ISO. Your comments about his Shadoweh push are again ambiguous. Is it a good thing that it is mild or persistent?In post 542, Plum wrote:On that note, has CDB done anything this game but say "trust me, meta"? I'm sure I don't recall. Oh, well, not much, besides that Shdoweh push (which in fairness is mild but persistent), though his comment about the gamestate being weird and hard to read is true enough, so I'll hold more complaints and wait and watch there.
This is vague, ambiguous, and arbitrary. I have no clue why you voted Nobody Special at this point.In post 542, Plum wrote:Tempted to vote Nobody Special, so expect one at the end of this post for people who skim for bold official things. It only hurts so much because it's barely better than an arbitrary division of what I'm treating as noise and what I'm treating as signal, and I'm sure there's some very legitimate meta that says this overall tone or behavior or both are normative for NS, but who gives a damn? Frankly, my dear, etc.
This feels like an incredibly fluffly way to say "sorry for being inactive." Why all the fluff? (Note to self to check up on meta for this)In post 542, Plum wrote:I apologize for being one of those who hasn't been in much and has contributed to the pile of people not worthy of trust because no attention drawn to yet, and unnecessarily caused potential future problems to crop up because of that. Most sincerely sorry. I'm sure there are a share of Townies in that pool aside from me, making this all a pain, though hopefully not a tedious chore as we forge on.
This also seems really vague. I could go and check the votecount in Post 501 and I'd say you trust {Shadoweh, Zdenek, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, Katsuki} who were all on Tim Howard. And then you vote NS anyway for reasons that are unclear.In post 542, Plum wrote:Tentatively trust the party on the now dispersed TH wagon more than the average composition of Shadoweh or Katsuki wagons, by the by.
I hate, hate, hate everything about this post.In post 542, Plum wrote:Okay, Nobody Special. I will do my part for this despiriting mess by forcing you out on the field of battle! Only by fighting can we see how you move! And how I move. Because you've just been outright flitting, gently, uselessly, all but silently from one soft suspicion to another hahaha how cute nope no more shadows and lurking for you, you scum. Nor me, me Town. Let me rectify my mistakes.
Join, my friends. Nobody Special goes down or proves his steel.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special
Yeah, you did. I mean I've quickhammered as town before, I think, but it's not like my metaIn post 2561, Cerulean wrote:reck - In the Red Wedding, I got the impression that the reason why you got away with troll hammering was because it was something you did as town too. Did I get that wrong?
(empire and I are having a little debate. apparently I can occasionally draw him into the game, as long as it's about meta!)
daaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwIn post 2564, Plum wrote:Real post soon when I can use my husband's computer
In post 2564, Plum wrote:Cases are scummy.
It's not like I haven't said that I believe that cases are scummy this game, in reference to case-type arguments I myself was attempting to make. Sometimes I say it tongue-in-cheek, but there's plenty of truth in it - there are prevalent and accepted types of casemaking that are, in fact, scummy. If I wasn't clear enough before, I found yours to be of that category.In post 2565, Flipping Awesome wrote:If you are town, show me where I am wrong. And please do better than "cases are scummy."
I was sort of saying the equivalent. Scum sometimes choose bad tactics or strategies, or sometimes what seems like a poor tactic might be viable given information Town doesn't anticipate - it's frustrating when you see someone playing in a way that seems scummy or off in some way but doesn't seem like it would benefit their alignment if they were scum. I figured I'd express my thought process there, at least. And yes, sometimes I repeat or note things that have been hashed out before. Giving an understanding where I stand or my thought process on an issue, even if it mirrors someone else's position, can be valuable.In post 2562, Flipping Awesome wrote:I think you are saying that Tim Howard is too bad to be scum but maybe he is? Your next sentence is a valid point. Yet, it is a point that has already been hashed out before. You offer no new opinions or insights.
If I thought the reasons for the Katsuki wagon had merit, I would have said so. If I thought it was completely baseless and contrived, I'd have said so. Saying I 'only partly got it' would indicate that I didn't think particularly much of the reasons. At the time I found Katsuki unreadable, and had no confidence distinguishing between deliberate unreadability or playstyle/how Katsuki expressed himself given the playerlist. I did not have a scumread on Katsuki. The wagon, at least, seemed more interesting - there was an aspect to it that was atypical and worth notice.In post 2562, Flipping Awesome wrote:You hedge on Katsuki here again offering nothing substantial and not committing to any position on him. You talk about his wagon not engaging him. I don't understand what the relevance of it in relation to alignment.
Who says I didn't check his ISO? My point was about what I remembered him doing, what impact he had on the game, &c. IIn post 2562, Flipping Awesome wrote:You again hedge your read on CDB. If you wanted to see what CDB had done so far, it isn't very difficult to check his ISO. Your comments about his Shadoweh push are again ambiguous. Is it a good thing that it is mild or persistent?
So what? If I didn't phrase it such that you had a full understanding you weren't meant to have a full understanding.In post 2562, Flipping Awesome wrote:This is vague, ambiguous, and arbitrary. I have no clue why you voted Nobody Special at this point.
Why not? I did that while identifying a problem that I suspected was going to crop up: there were a number of people who had done little in the early game and were less engaged/mixed into the game and therefore harder to read (and perhaps harder to integrate). More than one person besides myself cited a gamestate that wasn't flowing well for them as the Day wore on, which I believe was related to that. And yes, why don't you get on that? I don't want to spoil too much, but bursts of verbosity are fairly typical from me, regardless of alignment.In post 2562, Flipping Awesome wrote:This feels like an incredibly fluffly way to say "sorry for being inactive." Why all the fluff? (Note to self to check up on meta for this)
Key word there was 'average'. Also I believe I meant the height of the TH wagon, so throw in Cerulean there as well. I trusted Cerulean, Zdenek, and (thoughIn post 2562, Flipping Awesome wrote:This also seems really vague. I could go and check the votecount in Post 501 and I'd say you trust {Shadoweh, Zdenek, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, Katsuki} who were all on Tim Howard. And then you vote NS anyway for reasons that are unclear.
Key word there was 'average'. Also 'tentatively'. It also had to do with the fact that I think I saw more merit and therefore more average sincerity in the TH wagon than the Katsuki wagon (mediocre, not engaging the target) and Shdoweh (trusted Shadoweh for reasons I chose not to discuss in the thread at that time).In post 2562, Flipping Awesome wrote:This also seems really vague. I could go and check the votecount in Post 501 and I'd say you trust {Shadoweh, Zdenek, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, Katsuki} who were all on Tim Howard. And then you vote NS anyway for reasons that are unclear.