So I got a question for you. Your "result" was that she "wasn't miller". So you got "innocent child" as a result? And this was something to wagon? I'm trying to figure out a non-bastard way you could receive that result and have it lead you to believe it was worth a vote.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:36 am
by Mirhawk
I happen to like Axels VCA as it pretty closely mirrors my thoughts on all the votes.
@Cakez
The entirety of my response to the wagon was "lol" so I'm not sure why you're picking Skybird over me. Pretty sure you're already scumreading me too.
Vote: Cakez
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:38 am
by SirCakez
↑Mirhawk wrote:I find the situation funny in general. The wagon built fast, and it's going to come apart just as fast.
I'm intensely curious as to how you knew there was more to his role though. I've been thinking about it and I can't think of anything that makes sense.
@Pistachion
Are you actually a miller in addition to an Innocent Child? Or was that a smokescreen?
This > Skybird's contribution
Plus I'm trying to vote someplace I didn't sit on for the majority of the last day
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:41 am
by Mirhawk
Eh that's acceptable. Truth be told that's what I thought you would say anyways.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:45 am
by Mirhawk
Why did you do so little scumhunting say one.
You gave me an answer before, something about the game being too fluid or stale or something like that, bit I don't believe it really.
You posted a LOT day one. I have trouble believing you were having a hard time finding scumreads.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:00 am
by True Ogre
↑davesaz wrote:
So I got a question for you. Your "result" was that she "wasn't miller". So you got "innocent child" as a result? And this was something to wagon? I'm trying to figure out a non-bastard way you could receive that result and have it lead you to believe it was worth a vote.
My result wasn't that she was IC.
I didn't claim my role and since she's now confirmed I don't see any point elaborating further.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:24 am
by Sakura Hana
↑Axelrod wrote:Dude, at what point did you read Spiffeh's "not very long case?" You certainly never mentioned that.
Once again, it's not rocket science to look at the progression of the discussion to notice it:
↑Friendless Seniors wrote:sakura are you reading the game? like are you caught up?
Sorry i've been spending way too much time playing Tree of Savior
Well anyway, fine.
VOTE: Ranger
I would think it's obvious to figure out that I go from asking for why ppl are asking for Ranger votes, to see that they ask me to read previous posts/ISO and then i come and vote Ranger, the reason should be obvious.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:26 am
by Sakura Hana
Like seriously, this is the second time you mis represent my actions based on events that are going on which should speak for themselves.
↑SirCakez wrote:Axel - what's your huge objection to NKA? It definitely has uses.
My objection is that it doesn't work. At least, not the kind of NKA that goes "scum killed X, so, therefore, the scum are probably the people who X did not like..."
That's not analysis, that's idiocy.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:02 pm
by Friendless Seniors
I don't necessarily disagree, and I DO think Axel is scum. PArt of me is questioning that with his latest post though.
I claimed miller because I am also a miller. Not that it matters anymore.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:57 pm
by True Ogre
If you want me to full claim or full claim my result let me know. Otherwise, sorry.
Also general apology for being grumpy as hell yesterday. It was a bit of a shock to my world-view of the game.
I have a couple of pending questions to me to catch up on but that'll have to be tomorrow.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:08 pm
by The Pied Piper
↑True Ogre wrote:
@Piper - my question specifically was - do you think Cakez as scum comes in as soon as the thread opens to push a wagon on tictac expecting to get away with that? It seems to me to be unorchestrated, which I'm associating with town.
I do; in Borderlands, Cakez opened day 2 by bussing beeboy. Day 3 doesn't really count because he was sheeping a guilty in multiball but he voted within an hour of the thread opening, but on day 4, he opened by voting the SK. I think starting a day phase with a vote is probably not alignment indicative for Cakez.
Ogre wrote:Also, I don't think you or Nacho covered off why you were switching between Ranger and Seniors yesterday. That was some really weird behaviour there and I'd like some explanation from your hydra which isn't "I guess the other head was thinking ..."
I had already answered [url=hhttp://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7815129#p7815129]why Nacho voted her in the first place[/url], and he has since weighed in.
The reason I moved our vote to Seniors was based on Ranger's subsequent posts, which I don't think anybody bothered to read in any detail. If you open up the long post in which she explains her reads in one window and load the game thread in another window and have them side by side so you can see what she's talking about it's very clear that her reads weren't faked or manufactured at all, that they made sense given what was going on in the game at that time, that her explanation for the things that I was concerned about makes sense and fits. I don't think anybody even read it. They just dismissed it because they didn't care.
As a result of my engagement with her, she became one of my stronger townreads.
I wrote a towncase for her that I think nobody read even though I tried to format it as legibly as I could.
I have been on the fence about seniors for a long time and even when i voted them I felt that they were the wagon that was most likely to be scum that was actually attainable at that stage in the game; I didn't have the stamina to go after stronger scumreads who were widely townread by then. I'd been up late the night before and fell asleep early. There wasn't time.
Ranger tends to have good reads when she's town; there's a reason she's been nominated for paragon this year, and she seemed really sure of Seniors/Mirhawk. Beeboy, Ranger, and goodmorning all saying the same thing about Seniors meta was also a factor in my read. If one person is saying something about meta then that's not very interesting but if everyone who has played with them recently is saying it then that's another thing entirely.
So I was thinking toDay that seniors might be town because I'm pretty sure that hiplop would've kill Tammy because he respects her towngame quite a bit but the way they've engaged with me today has felt a lot like the way hiplop engaged with me during that blitz. I made a post where I didn't connect all the dots in my logic because I wasn't feeling well and instead of asking me questions about it he just calls me scum for it and in my experience scum are more likely to jump on me for not communicating well than town.
It's like people think the difference between my town and scum games is that when I'm town I take extra care to polish my posts so that there's nothing even slightly incoherent about them and when I'm scum I don't bother to keep up with appearances...and that's just really not true.
↑Friendless Seniors wrote: I'll likely do more investigation on plot before I really do anything to push that
I did like this, though. This isn't something you did in the blitz when you were scum, offering to investigate me further. Did anything come of this? Did you do any digging into my meta? What did you learn?
↑Friendless Seniors wrote:piper, I gotta question for you involving what you say and the vote you place in 2399.
You think that there's scum in Mirhawk and us.
You think that Mirhawk and Cakez looked bad.
Common denominator is mirhawk- why vote cakez?
And I like that Errant is at least asking me questions. The reason I voted Cakez is that I have more than one scumread. I think that there's scum in Mirhawk-Seniors because of wagon dynamics and the feeling that the thread had as wagons were rising and falling and that's all very nice but it's not something that's about you specifically. I don't have the time right now to go through your posts and make a case in either direction.
Cakez is the player whose in thread behaviour bothers me the most right now, the one that nobody seemed to be looking at and who I thought I'd have the stamina to go after toDay but then I completely fell apart because of IRL stuff and didn't have the language to make that case after all. The case is still in bulletpoint form in my hydra PT waiting for me to be able to polish it up and take it out.
tl;dr: I voted Cakez because he was my primary scumread.
↑Friendless Seniors wrote:tictac/pied piper make the most sense as scum there, I'd think
VOTE: pipes. really clumsy wagon handling
Nacho is behind on the thread. He knew there was a guilty on pistachi0n and that day phases with guilties tend to go quickly and he wanted to have time to get all the way caught up before the end of the day phase and he also wanted to give me some more time to recover.
Additionally, nothing about either of our scumgames is clumsy. If you're voting us because of the coincidence that Nacho happened to unvote before it turned out that pistachi0n was town then that's lame.
This post is too long but I'm still not languaging well enough to make it shorter. I'm sorry.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:57 pm
by True Ogre
I'll put it this way Ploti. I'm not townreading your slot. And I probably should be given Ranger's reads. I'm back to several superpositions regarding Seniors/Mirhawk. On Cakez - I don't get the cases so far but on the other hand he hasn't done anything I feel advances himself today aside from the initial vote out of the gate.
And just to undermine and invalidate that statement of my own - I haven't paid a lot of attention to him considering the me/pistach events.
So while your posting quality is fine, I unfortunately lack the ability (or desire) to respond in kind just now. I feel like I want to put you guys on the backburner and think about other interactions so far in the game.
Anyways, back about this time tomorrow.
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:41 am
by Skybird
↑SirCakez wrote:Because literally the only thing she did was pop in, unvote and leave. No comment at all on Pist being IC or how shifty that wagon was.
What's there to comment about? Pist is now confirmed town. I voted her because I have True Ogre as town. It turns out through Mod communication that Pist is town. I unvoted. Then RL intervened and I had to go do other stuff.
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:46 am
by THE WRONG WAGON
I'll try to be here btween btrsk
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:49 am
by Skybird
Dram, I think you are wrong on your Davesaz read. I feel he is town here. He hasn't been very active but he is reading the thread and asking questions.
You've commented on Axel. What about Podo makes you think he's scum?
What's bothering me is why you feel the need to talk about this at all.
You brought it up as a scum point against me. I'm responding with the truth.
After looking at last night's actions, how has that changed your reads?
Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:19 am
by SirCakez
To be completely honest, I missed Ogre claiming Investigative on Pistach :/
I didn't realize he claimed Investigative until last night. Prob should have said this then
So I got a question for you. Your "result" was that she "wasn't miller". So you got "innocent child" as a result? And this was something to wagon? I'm trying to figure out a non-bastard way you could receive that result and have it lead you to believe it was worth a vote.
I'm having similar thoughts. Both role (Rolecop, etc.) and action (Tracker, etc.) investigations don't make sense to me in terms of what would incite a pistachion vote. And if you're a cop who investigated pistachion and voted her...
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:32 am
by Cerberus v666
Oh man. My first prod ever. Thanks Rob13.
True Ogre + pistachion situation is weird, yes.
Need to compare the pistachion and Ranger wagons, though the pistachion wagon is of less value since it was driven by a claimed investigative result.
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:09 am
by Mirhawk
No, it's gotta be rolecop. I'm betting Pistachions role (miller+IC) has a nonstandard name.
