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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:08 am
by Lukewarm
In post 2, Datisi wrote:players are not able to multitask unless otherwise specified, with one exception: if a non-town player has the ability to use more than one kill in the same night, the same player may carry out more than one kill.
@Fire
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:08 am
by Titus
Or an informed PR letting them know what claims are safe
Like mastina's not scum but it's not mech clear
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:08 am
by fireisredsir
In post 2534, Lukewarm wrote: In post 2527, fireisredsir wrote: In post 2523, Lukewarm wrote: In post 2519, fireisredsir wrote:my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it
huh.
this is actually a reasonable answer.
But that makes the scum team goon + goon + watcher + Ircher's fairly useless role, which feels wrong.
why are there two goons?
in your scenario:
Mastina did nothing.
Someone did the kill
That someone is then also a goon, or has a role so useless they decided not to use it in order to set up this gambit.
oh i missed this
i didn't really realize that was how things worked tbh
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:09 am
by Something_Smart
In case you had an action?
I mean you obviously didn't have one 175% action, because you wouldn't have needed to wait until N3. So I think it's not that weird for scum to try to interfere with whatever you were doing?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:09 am
by mastina
It is still a guilty.
With scum having no reason to waste an assuredly-limited roleblocker on me, and town having two dead killstoppers meaning it's unlikely there was a town roleblocker roleblocking me, there should be no reason for me to have received a No Result.
But I did--something caused my action to fail, when there was no reason for it to have failed.
Ergo, fireisredsir was immune when he had no reason to be.
Which is a guilty.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:10 am
by Something_Smart
I, for one, assumed that you had to do multiple things that had some powerful effect when combined. That seems like the most natural way to read your initial claim.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:10 am
by Lukewarm
mastina, I will say this again. Based on your play, I predicted that if you were town the reveal would actually be day 3, because announcing day 4 and it actually being day 4 feels like a pretty silly move for you to make.
So, solving from the mindset that scum would not have seen through your lie there is kinda silly since they would have had 4 minds responding to your opening post, and at least 1 of them could have easily come to the same conclusion that I did.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:11 am
by fireisredsir
ok actually the multitasking thing makes some sense i didn't consider that
UNVOTE:
ig it could be mastina is town who got roleblocked but idk i really don't think she's town here
ill be back later
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:12 am
by Ydrasse
what i miss about multitasking
isn’t it just one mafia shoot gun many times
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:13 am
by Lukewarm
In post 2558, Ydrasse wrote:what i miss about multitasking
isn’t it just one mafia shoot gun many times
which ever mafia goes pew pew, cannot do any other action.
no multitasking except multi blasting
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:15 am
by Ydrasse
I confused on the significance of this
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:15 am
by fireisredsir
i thought that scum had prob watcher'd mastina and saw me visit and that's why mastina tried to claim on me first
but for that to work there would need to be someone else carrying out the kill besides mastina, so they would probably both be goons
and mastina no acting both nights means that someone else was doing the kill both nights anyway
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:17 am
by mastina
In post 2500, fireisredsir wrote:btw reminder that mastina said she 100% guarantees scum has no roleblockers or anything powerful when now that she's fullclaimed it's clear that she had zero reason to believe that
explain why you said that?
Because it's a 1-shot cop, and setup mechanics require scum have no typical strong scum roles.
In the natural balance of the game, the game is scumsided. In mountainous, the game is scumsided.
The scum have the potential to make multiple kills on top of that.
The town have all their roles have heavy use requirements, and most of them are quite gated with most of them situational in power.
The town is balanced to an effectively-all-vanilla scumteam. The town is too weak to have the scum have anything ungated like a full roleblocker, full rolecop, etc. So anything they have is going to be incredibly gated--a 1x roleblocker, or a role that isn't able to
directly
mess with the town's strength but can do so indirectly--ascetic, commuter, or rolestopper. (Keep in mind a scum rolestopper is significantly weaker than a town rolestopper, the same way a town roleblocker is significantly weaker than a scum roleblocker.)
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:17 am
by Lukewarm
Fire and klick (and maybe others, idk) said they thought that mastina was scum that did zero actions night 1 and night 2.
which seems unlikely in a game with no multitasking because would require her to do nothing and someone else to do the kill, so 2 goons with no actions + ircher's role feels unlikely to me.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:18 am
by fireisredsir
unless mastina is the cars 2 role from invictus
that was a really cool role actually its too bad we got nothing out of it
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:19 am
by Ydrasse
ok so all we know is that titus is wolf
Ok ok
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:21 am
by mastina
Just did!
Game mechanics require that the scum's roles don't have strong answers to the town's roles.
The town's roles are already punished by the percentage mechanic.
ON TOP OF THE PUNISHMENT OF THE PERCENTAGE MECHANIC, most roles also have additional gates to them. I literally only had the one shot, and that was it. It took 150% to get a single-use role off.
If the scum had a method of countering all the town power ON TOP OF them having access to extra kills when town players use their roles ON TOP OF the town having their roles be heavily gated, the game would be HEAVILY scumsided because it'd be worse balance-wise than mountainous would be. Punishing town for using their roles at all, and nullifying their attempts to have used them.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:21 am
by jjh927
In post 2449, jjh927 wrote:Ydra, do you get a separate result that says whether your target has PTs or is your result effectively the absence of you joining any PTs
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:23 am
by Ydrasse
i get told if they don’t have anything
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:23 am
by Ydrasse
like explicitly Titus Has Not A Single Non Factional PT
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:24 am
by mastina
I made no alterations.
I have the 'crumbs to prove my action is what I claim it is.
I claimed I had a result indicating you were scum.
That's exactly what the No Result was.
At one point, I almost literally gave away that I was going to cop you on N2.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:24 am
by Dannflor
so titus is just scum then
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:24 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2562, mastina wrote:The town is balanced to an effectively-all-vanilla scumteam. The town is too weak to have the scum have anything ungated like a full roleblocker, full rolecop, etc. So anything they have is going to be incredibly gated--a 1x roleblocker, or a role that isn't able to directly mess with the town's strength but can do so indirectly--ascetic, commuter, or rolestopper. (Keep in mind a scum rolestopper is significantly weaker than a town rolestopper, the same way a town roleblocker is significantly weaker than a scum roleblocker.)
how do you know how much total power town has?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:25 am
by Dannflor
I don't know about fire/mastina
I think it's possible they are both town
but I think mastina is most likely to be town
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:26 am
by mastina
In post 1991, mastina wrote:I'll figure it out then ideally when cross-referenced with fireisredsir.)
Here's where I almost gave it away.
How was I going to cross-reference with fireisredsir?
Why, by copping him, of course!