Congrats, well done joining the ranks of the VIs; because we really really needed more of them. You don't have to be the lynch today, but every time you pop up, you manage to make things worse, somehow. Have you considered that maybe "being an ass" isn't so much "sticking to your guns" as it is "being an ass"?MagnaofIllusion wrote:So where was I –
Oh yeah this is my sign-off post. I’m not really going to bother to fight the upcoming deadline. My apologies to Percy … you made a great game and I didn’t give it my all over the past 2 weeks. Too many other games and too much work combined for the distaste some have generated in me during this game.
Would above comment be answer to this quote?Wickedestjr wrote:I don't see how my plan is silly.
Iecerint, in Chapter Three of his lengthy journal, wrote:PAGE 42 (41 was actually in the last set, I think)
96. I agree with NP's evaluation of the Furco wagon 110%.
97. AV's vote for EG is a little sad...I think EG is scummy, but she's not top-tier. idk.
98. Yeah...I can't really tell why everyone is gradually voting RC...I was hoping for something more dramatic...
99. Agree with Furco re: DGB. The only weird part is her AV vote, but that goes both ways.
100. @ AV
101. I pretty much agree with RC's post...I have no idea why he's been wagoned...
102. WHOAWHOAWHOAWHOA. Andy contradicts his old Noise claim in 1185...? EDIT: nvm i guess...
103. Furco not wanting to claim insanities is...umm...
104. I am retroactively nostalgic for the xvart counter-wagon.
BTW -- why the hell didn't RC flip...? Did Furco fuck up his grave robbery? I am annoyed.
105. Plum is towntown.
106. I've always thought VDV was scum, but SX's point about his point about not wanting to take insanities is noted.
107. Thank god that Furco manages to keep this readthrough bearable.
108. Wraith's post isn't very good...idk...and then he votes a player (El Goosuki) that there is a 0% chance will be lynched. And the case he makes is crappy ("they lurk").
109. VDV <3 for wanting to kill MoI.
110. Why is LB voting for manho? Mina's best wagon is someone who isn't playing the game? Really? (1483)
111. Wraith switching...to voting Benmage... (1505)
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112. And then Fate does a big Benmage push.
113. God Wraith is so scummy it is ridiculous. I also recently D1 mislynched him but still.
114. Hmm. Benmage-awful wagon is buildingvia Fate. But analyzing it really depends on RC's flip.
115. Hito is my lover (1623), what with scandalously positing those D1 scumconnections.
116. Trilobite is not scum with MoI.
117. I like Trilobite in 1636. SX voting BM is serious business.
118. Hito is a man after my own heart for calling people out for being policemen (1646).
119. @ Furco I play Zerg poorly be my friend plz (1649).
120. God and now SX is trying to shift the focus to AV to confuse people, cuz I don't know why the hell he'd do it otherwise (1660).
121. AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. NOW it's clear why Furco didn't do the grave robbing.
122. Whoa. Neat that LB was scum or Murderin' or whatever. Did not expect it based on Mina's posts. Faraday's were a little odd, though.
123. Wicked is mostly confirmed probably, unless there's total insanity. Yay. He was one of the sane ones.
124. Here's what my D2 start post would have been:
125. xvart's plan was neat.
126. Trilobite's vote for Benmage (1740) makes NO SENSE. AT ALL. We know Benmage won't ever go Murderer now that he can't kill his target, and he's certainly not Cult.
There was also the slight weirdness of hito choosing Trilobite to Ward, of all people. Odd.
127. Also -- why did NP ask whoever whether they searched for tools twice? There are certainly other possibilities...and if he did FT N0, there was no better option, except to Ward.
128. OH, so the Corpse Dust is why Dispatching could be sketchy. Now that makes sense. But it's still fine. Picking 2 town to double grab should be fine.
Though, scum can ward at least some of them (but not all without forsaking NK, unless Fate is actually Town).
129. MoI's point about BM's night choice is valid. Why didn't he just kill Fate? Not allowed? I guess I'll find out. He's ignored the question so far. EDIT: Explanation is fine, I guess. Bonus points since he really is targeting Wraith. <3
130. Why in the name of all that is holy did DGB use Forensic Tools.
DGB, why the hell did you do that?
I am reading the entire thread after the fact. EVEN I KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
OMGUS.
131. AV remains a man or woman after my own heart (1773). I mean this is kind of policework more than scumhunting but GOD DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE.
132. Though SX's point on him is OK. He could've killed successfully if he was a Murderer, and we won't see evidence of that. I guess he could've reconsidered.
133. Feysal doubles up on Wicked with RK...
A thought: our successful resuscitators are bloody and insane already, so maybe we should make them the graverobbers. Or, at least, one of the mshould be NP. Feysal is a little sketchy.
ALERT: Since I now know that Fate "died" D1, it looks like he wasn't Cult, but a Murderer and all the mess from my earlier notes are invalid. Holy fuck. I am very annoyed.
134. Can't we double-graverob? It should just take two players to get everyone flipped. Or are we just worried about Wards?
135. Furco is good in 1798. But we're not lynching DGB, so I guess I'll find out why...
136. Hmm...but why did xvart Ward DGB if Furco already said he would?
137. Why is literally the ENTIRE TOWN hearing noise? This is absurd.
138. Is Rob Grave still a free action such that BenMage can Rob and also Murder? I'm all for him Murdering Wraith tbh.
139. I think different cultists can target the same player. As such, getting a fetish does NOT necessarily lead to kill immunity.
140. Christ, almost every single player in the game claimed Noise last night. Except for my lurker slot.
141. Wraith thinks there are two Murderers...why? Wicked could just as easily have been the scum target... (1893)
142. Not sure why Niki wants to lynch FT (1902). Lots of people irrationally want to lynch BM. Why does he ignore all those players?
143. Oh, NVM. NP shows me the actual post, and it is clear why it is terrible. (1906)
144. OMGWTF. ET TU, AV (1919). He wants to kill BM...why? WTF? Since when?
145. SHIT I TOTALLY MISSED HIS VOTE. I AM BLINDED BY LOVE. CHRIST. DON'T BE AN IDIOT.
146. I'm going to repeat VP's scumlist in 1921, because it is extremely excellent:
MoI
Furpants Tom
Wraith
Baby Spice
El Goos
147. Re: Trilobite's comment...does scum ward GRAVES, or PLAYERS-WHO-WARD. Cuz I'd assumed the former, but it seems like the latter would be more fair. idk. nightmare.
148. TNM is towntown. Players whining about BM not claiming his actions (including my predecessor) are confused or scum.
149. Wraith continues to make senseless scumlists in 1959 (except for DGB, who is scum or sort of not paying attention).
150. Wraith actually makes a decent point about BM in 1967, though. I suppose a short list from BM might be a good idea. BUT:
151. But then he sucks again in 1968...because BM could Murder Fate and the flavor would show up. And that would be a huge bluff for scumBM to make. And c'mon, it's BM.
152. I agree with Plum in 1974...Seacore has been well-behaved lately.
153. God, I want Wraith dead.
154.
Baby Spice wrote:Tom I really have to ask where, because Plum or VPB suggested Ben grave rob. Two graves, to shut him down.
As far as I can tell, it was Seacore who put him on the town side of the list, which is the trustworthy reliable side presumably. At least with how Seacore was presenting it. and VPB and Wickedest.
I don't think Ben is trustworthy.
You Furpants on the other hand were part of the "He robs two graves or hangs" school of thought. As an aside, if it's decided that Ben should graverob, or any other murderer or cult suspect, then I agree, they should rob two graves or hang.
Furpants_Tom #2394 wrote:In that case, as much as it grates on me to say it, wouldn't hito be better replaced with BenMage? Especially since he's already said he's willing to rob a single grave as directed.VP Baltar wrote:You're correct. The point of the list is to put one protown person with each scummy person that way you are less likely to have cult corpse dust or skipping out on robbing graves.Tom wrote:And I understand putting VP on the list because it's his plan, but is hito there because people seem to trust him, or for another reason that I've missed?
Furpants_Tom #2403 wrote:I would argue that Hito be swapped for BenMage in the 3 corpse scenario; but it's not exactly a deal-breaker for me. Apart from that:Seacore wrote:Okay, so,
Final Grave Rob Roster V2
RC = VP, 2nd Wagonee
Fate = Benmage, 3rd Wagonee
LB = Wicked, 3rd Wagonee
Lynchee = Hito, 2nd Wagonee
I've given in to Benmage's request to lynch Fate, I personally don't see the harm in letting him choose, particularly since he doesn't know who his robbing partner will be at this point.
If we decide not to dispatch fate, or can't swing the dispatch votes in time, then lets just have
RC = VP, 2nd Wagonee
LB = Wicked, 3rd Wagonee
Lynchee = Hito, 2nd Wagonee
It doesn't block out the 3rd wagonee, but it still up's their insanity count in an auditable way.I'm Furpants_Tom, and I endorse this message.
Feysal does actually make a good point about the probabilities of a double ward on the first night. I'm not convinced xvart's explanation is all that; but it does push both him and Baby Spice further up my scum-list.
Where did Seacore add Furculow to the plan? And Benmage is only on Seacore's posted list once, so he is still free to do his Murder. Do you think Benmage is Cult? Even if he is going Murderer he still prevents the Cult from getting Corpse Dust because he is not Cult, and has just as much incentive to grave rob as the town does.Baby Spice, 2571 wrote:He added benmage to the town side of the plan. You know, the guy who has already stalked twice and refuses to do what the town wants him too? (He should be on the murderer side or not at all. Why give a potential murderer extra insanities)
Seacore added the two unreliable elements to the plan, on the side that should be reliable. He keeps posting "official" plans and such. I never said he shouldn't venture his opinion, but he shouldn't be one of the ones actually making the plans. That is for true blue , seriously general consensus townies.
I don't care which of the three do it, just that those three do it.
I don't see how any of [me voting you, you finding Fuculow unreliable, your impression that I want Seacore involved in the planning, and Wicked calling my N0 action a null tell] are related, so if you wouldn't mind clarifying the relationship I would appreciate it.Baby Spice, 2571 wrote:I find it hinky that you would vote me though, given that you also think that Furcolow is unreliable. Makes it sound like you want Seacore involved. Especially hinky after Wickedest calls your N0 action a null tell.
Baby Spice, 2515 wrote:Well, it was kind of assumed with the two rezz's and no sucessful cult kill. Be an extra-ordinary gambit if three cultists faked something like that.
)GOD MOTHERFUCKER THAT TOOK FOREVER.Iecerint, FINISHING HIS NOVEL, wrote:154. OK so -- just realized that NP isn't confirmed town, since cult knows their kill failed for SOME reason. So it could just as easily be flipped. I still think NP is town, though...but it's not enough to beat BM robbing at least 1 grave (not new info).
155. Wicked is mistaken in 2033. Bloody claims can be derived from the information claimed by players. If Forensic tools discover unexplained blood, it will still come out. The only effect of Blood status claims is that it will make scum less likely to slip up AFAICT.
156. Agree with VP about Magna (2066).
157. Manho is a total idiot (2088, where he thinks MoI is town).
158. Manho voted BM yesterday? Really? I missed it...that would be more idiocy. EDIT: Oh, AV is incredulous about thinking BM ISN'T cult? WTF AV. Go back to being AV from D1, please.
159. Oh, gross. Manho. How could you do this to me? <_<
Good thing there are so many scummy players.
160. I do agree with Trig about MoI->Furc TO AN EXTENT. MoI got really pissy when we lynched him over scumFurc in Brave and the Beautiful. I could see feelings spilling over to his early play here.
BUT, I still think he's probably cult due to other factors.
161. @ Baby Spice -- DGB is (well, used to be) extremely manipulative. The W/E bro attitude is a new thing. Same goes for Elli. Katsu is VI.
162. I have to say that I have a hard time believing that DGB and Elli would just flat-out err like that. I really do.
163. @ Fate 2170 -- no, it's different. The fact that 2 players targeted Plum AND there was no scum kill strongly implies that Wicked is town. He also seemed town yesterday. You have to posit a huge conspiracy otherwise.
164. DGB's unvote in 2200 is a towntell for her in context, unless she perceived that MoI would go on to lynch without her (or they're both scum).
165. Hooray for Wraith votes...but BM is going to kill him, anyway (we assume), so it's a little silly (2225).
166. VDV -- why the hell is Wraith not scum?
167. NVM. He answers this is 2269 ("rewq's iso 1 => Wraith town"). EDIT: rewq's iso 1 states that the rules do not state how many players are scum. Thesis is that scum would not screw this up (unless it's faked). Fair enough, though faking shit is more reasonable with daytalk. BUT, it looks like it was just 30 minutes after the relevant post, so that's not much time for scum planning. BUTBUT, it was D1, when literally everyone was playing the game, so there's also that.
168. re: Wicked 2279 -- I am no real feeling about kunkstar after reading some 93 pages of this game. He lurks and lurks and lurks. Reading over him in iso a little (but I have EXTREME fatigue at this point, so these are glances), his early push on Furco is scummy, but his town/scum list is OK, if brief. He's probably not my first choice for a lynch, but he's not a strong town read.
169. God. What the hell is DGB doing? She's a very competent player...
170. She made me laugh in 2298, though.
171. Oh, man, I love this woman. <3 (2303)
172. Very good wagon analysis by Furco in 2307. Very good. I'd been struggling with whether to vote MoI or EG or kunkstar (albeit leaning one of the first two), but that seals it for me. The 7 initial players on the MoI wagon are all very town. That looks like a wagon on scum to me.
I noticed two players unvoting MoI around the same time before. I'd bet one of them is scum, even though this same logic got us into trouble in Holy Orders. Can't find it looking back now, though.
173. Trig (2315) -- it's relevant because of the PEOPLE on MoI's wagon.
174. Seacore's point in 2318 is a good point. Even manho knew not to investigate N1. <_<
175. Furco 2325, if you become bloody by Murdering, you lose your res kit. Stalking MoI is suboptimal because you waste your rez. A bloody player, or at least a rez-less player, should do those things.
176. LOL @ DGB 2365.
177. Seacore's graverob plan makes WAY more sense IMO, except that the scumwards will mess things up.
178. Why isn't Wicked robbing twice...?
179. My only problem with the Dispatch plan as it existed when I replaced in is the Ward angle. Why has no one mentioned it?
180. I now dislike DGB's "Hello" post in context...the shift to MoI doesn't really make sense...it looks like she's possibly trying to tie herself to me, probably because she knows I love her and will hesitate more than is rational to lynch her.
181. Fate is almost certainly a Murderer. There's no reason for cult to budget themselves like that otherwise, because they'll just waste their extra rez kits when they Ritual, anyway.
182. -_- @ Katsu
183. @ Wicked 2452 -- Having Benmage graverob is excellent, because he is already damaged goods due to taking Suicidal, etc.
184. Wicked, you know that I have no control over whether I'm a murderer. I'm at the mercy of the Hungarian fellow and manho.
Granted, they didn't mess things over for me, so that is that.
185. Also @ Wicked -- Actually, the chances of two players warding the same player are extremely low. Very low. If ALL PLAYERS were required to Ward, the chance of it happening is 0.2%. When you factor in that players could also Stalk/Search, the chance is much lower. BS and Xvart warding MoI is not null, though it COULD be a coincidence.
186. I have no idea why you think Niki is town...unless you just think ElG is scum...
187. @ AV -- I think BM is concerned that the Murderer will Stalk him today, thinking that BM might be going Murderer, too.
Really, this would be a godsent.No one should Ward BM tonight.We need to get rid of him so he doesn't screw up lylo, anyway.
I think he might be prejudiced against fucking dumb people. When will my people finally achieve equality?Iecerint wrote:One thing FT already told Furco that I want to repeat is thatMurdering or otherwise becoming bloody destroys rez kits.I don't think Furco ever acknowledged when FT said as much.
I'll consider it, like I said earlier.Benmage wrote:Another Ward on myselfwould be much appreciated!
You'd have to be a murder before being a serial killer. The lack of a second kill by me nullifies the worry of my insanity build up.Iecerint wrote:Mod: As currently written, players with 9 insanities may murder 2 players in one night. Is this intentional, or is the intent just to give insane Murders twice the flexibility with regard to kill targets?
Well I'd be grateful, but others are capable too.Andrius wrote:I'll consider it, like I said earlier.Benmage wrote:Another Ward on myselfwould be much appreciated!