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↑ RedCoyote wrote:

↑ CrashTextDummie wrote:

↑ RedCoyote wrote:I am rejecting this /in only because I have had someone already express interest in the Virgo slot. If they change their mind, I'll be happy to honor it again. Sorry, gameplay!

Just realized that the virgo slot is not occupied by a pre-/in. Do you intend to effectively extend your number of pre-/in's by rejecting everyone who hasn't "expressed interest"? I understand rejecting people based on sign if that slot is actually taken, but applying this to unfilled slots just because someone has expressed interest is dodgy, imo. And certainly not gameplay motivated.

I do, yes. I think it's only fair if they have shown interest in the game prior to when it was in sign-ups (and prior to yourself or gameplay ... and, although I'm sure you're aware, I do want it said that this is by no means personal, if the shoe were on the other foot I'd do the same for both of y'all).

If the List Mod strikes me down, then I will relent as I do not want to do anything untoward, but I'd rather be seen as bending the rules for players that sought me/this theme out before the game was in sign-ups then just cross my fingers and hope I can fill all of my slots given the restricted nature of the theme I have chosen to run.

In other words, I'm not doing this just for the sake of exerting power. I advertised this game for a week or so, and I want to show my appreciation to those that were on board with it early. Because if I hadn't heard from them, I wouldn't have known whether or not I could even attempt to run this game this way.

Can you clarify for me what the difference between a pre-in and "showing interest before" is? What rights does Peregrine, for example, have that Iecerint does not?

I see no functional difference.

↑ CrashTextDummie wrote:/in zodiac as scorpio

Yea I was on board with this game about a week ago and claimed Scorpio. The spots getting rejected are ones that already have someone to take their place.

↑ burn_209 wrote:

↑ CrashTextDummie wrote:/in zodiac as scorpio

Yea I was on board with this game about a week ago and claimed Scorpio. The spots getting rejected are ones that already have someone to take their place.

The problem is that more slots were reserved than are allowed to be.

↑ CrashTextDummie wrote:You are not doing anything to improve the chances of getting your game filled by rejecting players with the correct sign wanting to fill an unoccupied slot though.

And I still fail to see for what purpose you are doing it other than to moderate a quasi-invitational.

I'm not going to debate you further on this. I think this is an interesting theme and (shaping up to be) an interesting player list and I'd like to play, but if I can't so be it.

It's really not an invitational at all. I didn't invite one person to play. Every person PMed me on their own accord. Please understand, I'm not out to fill this with my buddies or anything like that. I'd love to have you play, CTD, but I just wanted to give respect to the player that asked me to play earlier even though I technically didn't have a /pre-in to give them.

Look, I mean, if the list mod tells me I'm being too overt about this, I will absolutely relent and would be glad to have you, gameplay or anyone else that wants to try it out. You especially I know of as a great player and a joy to have as a sign-up. I hope you understand where I'm coming from, even if you don't agree with me.

zora wrote:What rights does Peregrine, for example, have that Iecerint does not in this attempt?

I see no functional difference.

Pere was one of the first six to /pre-in, Iec was not.

I fully intended to be completely open and above board that Iec more or less showed interest in this slot and that I would be reluctant to accept anyone else coming in given that they had not approached me before Iec had.

Again, if the list mod says this practice is too overt, I submit to her ruling. I'm by no means trying to be power hungry or fly in the face of authority. I just wanted to do everything in my power as the mod of my game to protect a slot that someone had shown interest in before anyone else had.

I don't know why people are getting up in arms about this. If someone inquired about being in a game a week before I did and would have in'ed if it were possible I'd let them have the spot. They beat me to it and you have to factor in the idea that they have been waiting for this sign up and would be disappointed immensely. . It's the considerate thing to do

I get how you decided which were pre-ins and which "interested" but I don't get why they aren't for all intents and purposes just another name for a pre-in, with one additional obligation, which is to type /in in this thread at some point but not even first in time.

protecting a slot someone's showed interest in is pretty much the entire purpose of a pre-in.

Well, the main difference being that if the list mod doesn't allow it, then I will be pouty but respect their decision, lol.

How to solve the Iecerint/Peregrine problem:

Step 1) Give the slot to me.
Step 2) ???
Step 3) Profit.

Tso wins!
I don't care mostly because my slot was taken in pre/in by sal.
Damn you sal!
Zor is correct that it's considered a pre/in no mater how you word it if your saving the spot for a player that showed interest.
Just my two cents.

When am I going to play a legit game with Farside?

When?

Also allow me to add there's the concept that burn brought up that it fringes into territory of unwritten rules of politeness and social decorum. Like, take a movie theater for example. You save a seat for your friends in the middle of the theater. You don't own those seats. The theater owns the seats. You want to save them because you're there to watch a movie and you'd rather sit next to someone that pre-arranged this visit with you as opposed to a stranger. Now, a stranger could come up and say, "There's no such thing as saving seats! I'm sitting here!" The guy saving the seats can really do anything about that... but it's just not really a cool thing to do.

Anyway, we're cluttering up the queue thread. I didn't mean for this to be a debate. I just wanted to run a game of Mafia, honest! I'd be happy with burn or CTD! They're both wonderful!

Seriously though, whatever Equinox wants to do is her decision. Let her be the bad guy (or the good guy).

↑ burn_209 wrote:I don't know why people are getting up in arms about this. If someone inquired about being in a game a week before I did and would have in'ed if it were possible I'd let them have the spot. They beat me to it and you have to factor in the idea that they have been waiting for this sign up and would be disappointed immensely. . It's the considerate thing to do

It's not the onus of people /in'ing to a game to worry about random user X that might be disappointed because they were too late for a pre-in, if someone misses out on a game then they miss out on a game, there are other games for them to play, the person who happened to in first isn't the bad guy.

↑ burn_209 wrote:I don't know why people are getting up in arms about this. If someone inquired about being in a game a week before I did and would have in'ed if it were possible I'd let them have the spot. They beat me to it and you have to factor in the idea that they have been waiting for this sign up and would be disappointed immensely. . It's the considerate thing to do

I am slightly miffed that you're passive-aggressively accusing me of being inconsiderate for signing up before you did. The queue system is first come, first serve and pre-/ins are limited for a reason.

You could have shot me a PM asking me to give up the slot and I wouldn't have thought two seconds about it.

And we happen to cross post.

/out

↑ RedCoyote wrote:Also allow me to add there's the concept that burn brought up that it fringes into territory of unwritten rules of politeness and social decorum. Like, take a movie theater for example. You save a seat for your friends in the middle of the theater. You don't own those seats. The theater owns the seats. You want to save them because you're there to watch a movie and you'd rather sit next to someone that pre-arranged this visit with you as opposed to a stranger. Now, a stranger could come up and say, "There's no such thing as saving seats! I'm sitting here!" The guy saving the seats can really do anything about that... but it's just not really a cool thing to do.

Wouldn't a more accurate example be that there are a limited number of reservations, and it's a free-for-all afterwards? Also, if you give up your seat (slot) for someone else, you wouldn't just go sit somewhere else, you'd miss the movie (game).

↑ CrashTextDummie wrote:And we happen to cross post.

/out

Thank you I do appreciate it

↑ CooLDoG wrote:

↑ Shiryu wrote:/n powershift

↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:/in Piggygal

so we are doing this again, huh?

Let the good times roll.

/in Zodiac as Pisces!

The pre-/in limit for Zodiac Mafia is 6. Players who have already sent RedCoyote a PM of interest will need to post an /in like any other user in order to have a spot in the game.

Oh btw just so you know Red I am /out. Gonna give my place to someone, not gonna cause any problems

/in Zodiac Taurus

/in Zodiac Virgo

Oh, it looks like someone beat me to the officialer sign-up. I got on as soon as I woke up. :[

Well, whatever RC or the Mods decide is fine.

Oh, gameplay /out'd. K.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Oh, it looks like someone beat me to the officialer sign-up. I got on as soon as I woke up. :[

And yes, this means I woke up at 7 PM. ^^