A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Axelrod]

Like seriously, this is the second time you mis represent my actions based on events that are going on which should speak for themselves.

They really don't "speak for themselves." And here's my thing - completely aside from whether you're being sincere or not - at the very least, you ought to be able to see why your posts, made the way you made them, look questionable, but you don't seem to be able to acknowledge this. You're acting like I'm the one who's crazy for even questioning you about them.

That's not analysis, that's idiocy.

It's almost like you're agreeing with me, but you don't even realize it.

I don't necessarily disagree, and I DO think Axel is scum. PArt of me is questioning that with his latest post though.

How sure are you, dram?

Why are you even asking Dramonic anything? He's completely ignored every attempt to engage him this game.

But I'm interested in talking to you. You keep saying you think I'm scum (or could be scum) but you really don't even attempt to argue it. There was, as best I recall, one single time one of your heads raised a question, which I answered, and you never returned to it. On the other hand, I've made a bunch of posts about you, including one nice big fat one here, laying it all out, and you have routinely ignored them. I mean, modesty aside, I would like to think that any reasonable person could see where I'm coming from. If you think I'm not making a fair point, say so, and let's talk about it. But you haven't engaged at all. So, what's the deal?

Need to compare the pistachion and Ranger wagons, though the pistachion wagon is of less value since it was driven by a claimed investigative result.

I was thinking about doing this one also, but I'm really not sure how much there is to get, given how Ogre claimed. Still might, though not as extensively.

[Friendless Seniors]

no, your scum game is very calculated plot. And this feels sorta like it.

[Axelrod]

You know my scum game? From where?

Do you know my Town game too? Because this is it.

[tictac]

The middle of my scale was a four, which is null. Tictac was at five, a slight town read. With the flips we had, that has dropped.

Ya think the flips implicate me somehow? How does that work?

(snip)

(snip)And here in particular, pushing to lynch someone based (at least in part) off of it (or even chain a series of lynches) is especially bad.

(snip)

This is a little similar to Cakes post, but not as bad.

Why no comment of Podo also voting based off NKA?

I was right!

How did you guess that??

I think there was another vote but this is the top of the wagon in VCs.
Mirhawk/Tictac/Skybird made up the core of the wagon so three bad votes there already. PP had a case for Pist I think so ok I guess.
Ogre why did you start the wagon?

I had a case on Pist on day one. How do ya not know that? Have ya been scumreading me without reading my posts?

Back to my windmill for now. Though I doubt it will result in him talking.

Why then?

Your "result" was that she "wasn't miller". So you got "innocent child" as a result? And this was something to wagon?

I'm having similar thoughts. Both role (Rolecop, etc.) and action (Tracker, etc.) investigations don't make sense to me in terms of what would incite a pistachion vote. And if you're a cop who investigated pistachion and voted her...

No, it's gotta be rolecop. I'm betting Pistachions role (miller+IC) has a nonstandard name.

Can it with the PR speculation.

VOTE: podo

[podoboq]

@tictac

I'll have to check back though, I thi she recently did the not claiming today as scum.

I think I did, too.

I can't remember which game (which is odd, I only have 8, you'd think I would but I don't), but I think I did. Maybe Machina?

Final thing before I go: {Tammy, SirCakez, beeboy, Amihan, Cerberus v666, The Pied Piper, Sakura Hana}
{Skybird, pistachi0n, podoboq}
{Spiffeh, davesaz}
{The Wrong Lynch}
{dramonic, SnarkySnowman}
{Axelrod, True Ogre}

{tictac}

{Friendless Seniors, Mirhawk}

The changes here are Pied Piper and Sakura Hana going to untouchable town, me feeling better about The Wrong Lynch (no specific reason why, just a general thing), and davesaz getting knocked down a tier. This is mainly because I feel like he should know I'm town this game. He's seen me as scum

twice

. He's also seen me as town many times. He should be aware this is not like the scum games, yet he is pushing me anyway and in spite of me answering his call, his vote remains, unchanged, with no additional reason and no additional response, similar to Spiffeh in that regard.

VOTE: tictac

I'm not voting based off of NKA (night kill assessment, right?). If you're going to accuse me of something, it's more sheeping than anything else. Confirmed townies scumread you. I still townread Cakez, and he's also scumreading you, so I sheeped him, and asked him to provide an actual case. If he's unwilling to do that, I'm probably unvoting. You have some time before this vote becomes that big a deal.

[podoboq]

Also, why is Marquis's name green?

[SirCakez]

I had a case on Pist on day one. How do ya not know that? Have ya been scumreading me without reading my posts?

I don't have every one of your posts ingrained in my head.
@podo because he's the Micro Listmod now.

[Axelrod]

Why no comment of Podo also voting based off NKA?

He did?

I was under the impression that podo already didn't like you from before. Maybe I'm wrong there. I see where he says that the flips dropped you in his opinion. I will admit I do not quite connect the dots on that comment yet.

[Sakura Hana]

at the very least, you ought to be able to see why your posts, made the way you made them, look questionable

Nope i don't and i dont see where you get this idea that i would, they look completely fine to me.

You're acting like I'm the one who's crazy for even questioning you about them.

If you want to call yourself crazy be that way, but to me it looks more like misrepresentation in order to soft push me without actually pushing me.

Strike 3

VOTE: Axel

[Sakura Hana]

Also, why is Marquis's name green?

Because he's a list mod.

[The Pied Piper]

no, your scum game is very calculated plot. And this feels sorta like it.

but you voted us for my wagon handling
what was wrong with my wagon handling?

[The Pied Piper]

i'm lurking around until friday when i have time to bring the sky down.
until then, i'll be watching and waiting in my corner.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Also, why is Marquis's name green?

Because he's a confirmed townie.

(Just kidding)

[Friendless Seniors]

And I like that Errant is at least asking me questions.

I am REALLY worried about you saying this, plot. I think I like the vote where it is, but I like Nacho posts almost more than the things i dislike about yours.

True Ogre, if you're not town then serious props to you cause you completely fooled me
god tier townread right now

tictac's 2578 kinda rubs me the wrong way.

hippy let's have a conversation.

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

I think that there's scum in Mirhawk-Seniors because of wagon dynamics and the feeling that the thread had as wagons were rising and falling and that's all very nice but it's not something that's about you specifically. I don't have the time right now to go through your posts and make a case in either direction.

which is fine but i think it would be nice if when you do have the time, you could strike a position on us.
I'm anxious to sort you and I want to know what you think about us.

-EP

[True Ogre]

Ranger: davesaz, Amihan, Mirhawk, Spiffeh, Sakura Hana, beeboy, Friendless Seniors, podoboq, SirCakez, THE WRONG LYNCH, SnarkySnowman (11)

First Vote

: davesaz @ #1419: I don't have any real issues with this vote. He's comparing Ranger's entrance into this game

...etc.

Can you tell me why you're looking for scum *on* the successful wagon when it's pretty common knowledge that scum prefer to be *off* a lynch wagon?
Since Piper was the original proponent of saying who'd be lynched yesterday (long before it was actually set in stone - as Tammy argued pretty stongly when kicking my ass for stressing about deadline).

I mentioned this here:

Also the seeds of viable lynchability was probably laid long ago by Plotinus before Ranger replaced in, rather than Ranger herself. From memory Plot had the viable candidates as Seniors, Mirhawk and Swordsworth (who Ranger replaced). I think they were the three.

And looking up the actual post from Piper/Plotinus, it was here:

I think the lynch of the day is going to be between Seniors, Swordsworth, and Mirhawk. Almost everybody is willing to vote Swordsworth but 0 people are actually voting him, but we'll see what happens with the replacement.

What do you think of Mirhawk?

The original post is much longer and worth a read.

Now I left in the Mirhawk thing because Ploti especially has asked me several times what I think of Mirhawk and had him as potential scum early on (parking but not pushing) but is shifting toward town now (which doesn't seem like an original thought to me - but rather like something which is an opportunity to change her read). For the record here, my read on Mirhawk is... fluctuating. Getting "wigged" doesn't say anything about his own alignment, and I think it's a bad play for a Seniors/Mirhawk team to riff off each other like that (and I think it's also extremely unlikely for that to have happened). On the other hand I don't really like his blaze attitude to wagonning... but maybe as Marquis said I'm just being "so serious" a-la Christian Bale with dead parents-turned-vigilante rather than just taking this for what it is - a game.

Anyway rather than digressing on thoughts, back to the point.

What

do

you think of Piper's Mirhawk > Seniors > Ranger > Seniors vote progression on Day 1?
All good and unimportant - or something worth questioning for its lack of seeming reason?

[True Ogre]

Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Who do you think is scum? When are we going to all realise you're town?

look at that scum wagon, what an unexpected result!~
Can we PLEASE get our heads out of our ass and lynch some scum?
Three easy options: Axel, Podo, Davestaz (or however it's spelled).
I mean fuck, look at that "wagon analysis" and tell me it's town. Do it.

I mean I'd maybe consider Axel but he's putting in work and at least seems to be attempting transparency?
What am I looking for that's scummy in the analysis?

podo and davesaz you're going to need to explain to me byte by byte. dave I haven't been scumreading at all and am just slightly annoyed he hasn't burst out of the gates, but meh. podo I haven't really looked at much but if they're ninja-scum who tends to say a lot, then they're doing a good job.

So shrug?

[True Ogre]

What am I looking for that's scummy in the analysis?

You can hold off on the answer to the above since I just asked Axel myself but I'd like a response on dave/podo if you can muster it.

[True Ogre]

Also, why is Marquis's name green?

Because he's a list mod.

Hi. Did you see my main?

What are your thoughts on Nacho and me in this game? I'm not sure who else here you tend to be able to drop opinions on but I know that you should have opinions on both of us. You seem really quiet.

[True Ogre]

Also, why is Marquis's name green?

Because he's a confirmed townie.

(Just kidding)

Please. Please do something.

[True Ogre]

True Ogre, if you're not town then serious props to you cause you completely fooled me
god tier townread right now

Yeah thanks for that. I love being townread for prematurely claiming and forcing an IC to claim when setup balance probably assumes they might last until mylo.
I also love the conflicting emotion of being townread for what I think is a bad reason.
/s

:(

tictac's 2578 kinda rubs me the wrong way.

I got a tickle from the "can it on the PR spec guize" comment... thought it might be one of those helpful but filler comments.
But at this stage I don't know if there's even anyone who I have a solid townread on which is pretty horrible.
And most people in this game are actually town.

Maybe I'll move to Murcia and vote Trump. I hear there's free wigs.

[True Ogre]

Jim replaces beeboy.

Hi Jim. Welcome.

???

[SirCakez]

VOTE: The Wrong Lynch
Do something please

I liked TWL earlier on but now they are doing 0 things to scumhunt which is bad.

[Rob14]

Jim replaces beeboy.

Hi Jim. Welcome.

???

Started actively searching for a replacement of the replacement last night.

[Skybird]

Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Who do you think is scum? When are we going to all realise you're town?

-snip-

I'm having a hard time figuring scum out. I still think FS is scummy, but am concerned that everyone else seems to have shifted away from them. Their posting did change about halfway through D1. FS is smart enough to know that they were being scum read and to shift their comments to seem more town. I also don't think fruit (wig) vendor is AI.

I'm leaning more scum now on tictac. I read through his ISO a few days ago and didn't see much to indicate to me he was scum, but I also didn't see a lot to indicate he was town. That hasn't changed much since I read his ISO and think he could be scum skating by.

I apologize because I'm going to have to finish this up when I get back. Husband just informed me that we have to leave NOW to go look at a boat we are thinking of buying.