He joined it long, long ago.
Dunnstral has no reason to be scum and has reason to be town. This is one of the few instances where I can actually defend Maid Cafe and agree with them, at least on the read itself if nothing else. This is well within Dunnstral's town meta and not exactly what I'd expect from him as scum...but even without the meta, what little he HAS done I'd call able to be described by, "This has a clear definitive town motive present behind it; this has no apparent scum motive behind it".
Iconeum I acknowledge there are some rather strong reasons for him to be scum. His approach, his content, all of it sucks and is not what I would have expected coming from him as scum...but in spite of that. There is a VERY strong motive present behind his actions which tells me "This is something I don't see coming from scum and I understand it coming from town".
Tibor and Lumia are in the town list because while their content has been objectively terrible, it has not been objectively scum. Quite the opposite, their content lacks a scum motive. The closest I can pick up to a scum motive is how bad their reads are...but they aren't of sufficient skill where you can burden of proficiency them. (Btw, hint: this is one of the reasons Creature is not significantly higher on my readslist; he CAN be burden of proficiency'd, and so far his reads lack the magic of being stellar to the point of shining his alignment through.)
The reasons they give might be shit, and the reads they give might be shit. But neither makes a person scum in of itself. You have to evaluate the person as a whole and the situation as a whole and come to the conclusion, thinking like THEY do, "Does this make sense coming from town?" or "Does this make sense coming from scum?" It doesn't really make sense coming from scum; it
does
make sense coming from town.
These are the players above Venmar who aren't locktown, but give you a good frame of reference for what I mean: townblocked players, who COULD be scum, they just...aren't.
Venmar himself, I admit it's mostly inexplicable. If I had to call a reason for him to be town, it'd be a combination of gut and tone, in that I like what he is saying and think him saying it comes from a perspective more likely to be town than not, but I lack any concrete way of describing this. It is something that exists across all his content.
Btw, the players below Venmar that are still in that same "townbloc players who COULD be scum, they just...aren't"?
Micc, I explained my read more or less there already:
In post 1725, Shining Dreamers wrote:Micc is a scum looking for a town player to mislynch's best friend. What I mean by that is, Micc is disproportionately likely to be town...but he is a player that even his strongest proponents for defending him have very little they can do or say in the way of advocating for his townness, whereas in contrast he has plenty which can be used to push for a lynch on him.
He isn't, however, qualified as EITHER lynchbait OR low-hanging fruit. He's not someone people think is an "easy target". He is someone who there is cause to go after, and yet there is no fallout for having gone after him and no fallout from being wrong on him. In other words. Micc is the scum's dream mislynch. A player that can be voted while looking town in voting him.
I realize I used this as a point against Maid Cafe because their vote on him was bad, but the townread still holds along those same lines.
Micc is a mislynch in the making; he has all the hallmarks of a town mislynch and none of the hallmarks of a correct scum lynch. Micc's content is much the same as Tibor and Lumia's, in that it is objectively scummy...but it is not actually objectively scum. Again, when coming from the approach of reading what the mindset behind Micc's actions would be, there is a VERY strong, apparent, self-evident narrative for him to be town, but the perspective for him being scum has a narrative which is a stretch, at best.
He's someone who could possibly be scum, yes, because the nature of his content could come from scum...but based around every factor in the game, he just isn't.
Almost50 I also believe I more or less explained (it's possible I did so in the PT, and if so, Yume can verify I more or less said this), but basically, while I recognize that he is lacking a lot of his signature town self, he is also lacking any of his scum self as far as I can tell and weakly, the him I see is indicative of him being town.
This can give you an excellent frame of reference for what I mean with my positions.
If you have questions, then you can always ask them.
If Yume directs me to them I'll answer them; if she doesn't, then I'll still answer them, just...much, much, much later, when I actually reach that point in the thread.
