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[Menalque]

I don’t really understand how you’re looking at dunn and lili together and defending dunn while pushing lili

[Menalque]

Tbf i would consider killing NM today just because that’s most always a solid move if he’s not gonna play

[skitter30]

Noted, yet also something that I think makes you infinitely more suspicious if dunn is town

i mean what do you want from me, i'm telling you i don't think he's flipping scum here
it's like putting me in a lose-lose position where no matter what he flips you're gonna find some reason to come after me

[Menalque]

I did have that thought but tbh I would legit find you less suspicious if dunn is scum so *shrug*

It’s hoopla who thinks you make sense as scum together, not me

[skitter30]

I don’t really understand how you’re looking at dunn and lili together and defending dunn while pushing lili

i don't htink they're scum together and i there's some subset of universes where they're tvt
and if there's one scum there it's probably lilith

[Menalque]

Like I don’t get what there is to see in dunn to actually defend him here vs just going “ehh no strong feels“ so if he does flip town it feels a lot like TMI

If he’s scum then I think you’d probably bus for the cred or take a stronger stance on saving him? So actually I think if dunn is scum your town equity goes up

[skitter30]

Tbf i would consider killing NM today just because that’s most always a solid move if he’s not gonna play

i wouldnt' really object to that

[skitter30]

can i just go with, like, ~vibes~

i really don't know how to resolve my lilith problem, and it's like the key to the whole game for me rn

[Menalque]

I don’t really understand how you’re looking at dunn and lili together and defending dunn while pushing lili

i don't htink they're scum together and i there's some subset of universes where they're tvt
and if there's one scum there it's probably lilith

lilith being scum still requires a compelling explanation for why she (1) chose JK and then (2) claimed it D2 on me and then (3) didnt deathtunnel me based off that but acknowledged there could have been a doc save

[skitter30]

bleh maybe i'm just horifically tunneled

idk

i have to start, like, thinking of the bottom of the list again
i probably vote like bird or dave next i think

[Menalque]

Your lilith problem just feels kind of fake? Because I know you’re a logical player and I don’t see how you’re not just looking at those facts and going “hmm, yeah, this does make little to no sense as things for scum!lili to do, i guess she is town” and are instead dragging it out

And that’s like, doubly suspicious if there /is/ a doc out there, because it means lili is potentially unkillable vía the NK and a problem if she can keep a second protect out at night/can get guilties later on

[skitter30]

if lilith is in fact scum and i let people talk me out of voting her out like four times i am going to be doing a massive 'i told you so' thing in post

[Menalque]

Why bird or Dave?

I don’t think bird is that bad still

Dave I have soured on a little and want more from

[skitter30]

she isn't town on play. that's more important to me than the mechanics stuff and i literally can't just ignore it or drop it. that's not how my brain works.

[Menalque]

I don’t have a reason for Best Bird town other than “I just kinda feel that way I guess”

[skitter30]

like remember how in micc's micro i spent forever on tw despite everyone trying to talk me out of it and then i got burned because i listened to like nebulous mechanics arguments? that's literally how i feel rn
(incidentally remember how i had a *strong* townread on lilith within like moments of her taking over your slot ???)

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if lilith is in fact scum and i let people talk me out of voting her out like four times i am going to be doing a massive 'i told you so' thing in post

Fair, if lili is scum I’m prob throwing here *shrug*

she isn't town on play. that's more important to me than the mechanics stuff and i literally can't just ignore it or drop it. that's not how my brain works.

But there are compelling-ish explanations for her being out of touch with the game based on IRL reasons? Which could give the game the appearance of her scumgame even while town

I mean, if you can come up with a compelling theory on why scum!lil claims her JK shot there and like that then I will consider it, because I don’t love her okay either, but lacking that explanation it seems much better for EV to assume she’s town

[skitter30]

Why bird or Dave?

I don’t think bird is that bad still

Dave I have soured on a little and want more from

bird is starting to look more like his scum self
dave i never townread

i have a reason to townread most other people (even like nm's slot, although i wouldn't mind policying there)

[Menalque]

like remember how in micc's micro i spent forever on tw despite everyone trying to talk me out of it and then i got burned because i listened to like nebulous mechanics arguments? that's literally how i feel rn
(incidentally remember how i had a *strong* townread on lilith within like moments of her taking over your slot ???)

Y-es but also that game was just a clusterfcuk generally (and if we’d just done things my way we would have saved like, hours and hours of peoples time for a result that at the least wouldn’t have been *worse* but I digress)

Also, surely that TR was helped by my making that slot p obvtown by the point that she arrived? And also there were no compelling mechanical reasons to TR the duck but there are for lili

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bird is starting to look more like his scum self
dave i never townread

What looks more like his scumself? To me he looks fine-ish, and I think it’s probably +town that he isn’t weaponising GIFs

Dave you have townpings on from his EoD1 tho?

[skitter30]

But there are compelling-ish explanations for her being out of touch with the game based on IRL reasons? Which could give the game the appearance of her scumgame even while town

I mean, if you can come up with a compelling theory on why scum!lil claims her JK shot there and like that then I will consider it, because I don’t love her okay either, but lacking that explanation it seems much better for EV to assume she’s town

right, but it's also been like three or four weeks now, and she looks *exactly* like jk9++ ...
i think it's as simple as she thought she could get the miselim on you
i dont' get why town!lilith just backs down there either ?

[Menalque]

I’m mildly concerned that you’re still TRing S_S at this point too

[Menalque]

i think it's as simple as she thought she could get the miselim on you
i dont' get why town!lilith just backs down there either ?

But like, was I that much of a threat that she needed to out to get me? And if I was, why back off after?

Not to mention, I was gaining steam as a wagon anyway, I’m not sure scum!lili feels she needs to try to push me mechanically there as opposed to just pushing me for X, Y, or Z reason about my play

[skitter30]

like remember how in micc's micro i spent forever on tw despite everyone trying to talk me out of it and then i got burned because i listened to like nebulous mechanics arguments? that's literally how i feel rn
(incidentally remember how i had a *strong* townread on lilith within like moments of her taking over your slot ???)

Y-es but also that game was just a clusterfcuk generally (and if we’d just done things my way we would have saved like, hours and hours of peoples time for a result that at the least wouldn’t have been *worse* but I digress)

Also, surely that TR was helped by my making that slot p obvtown by the point that she arrived? And also there were no compelling mechanical reasons to TR the duck but there are for lili

'what are the odds that scum!duck happens to claim a role that just so perfectly fits in with this setup?'
i don't remember the specific mechanical argument but it basically boiled down to the improbability of scum choosing to make some action over another or something, right? and since he picked the improbable one he must be town? or claimed soemthing improbable? i don't remember i have to look it up
or that he needed to be town for the setup to make sense or something.

but it was nebulous and we all went for it anyways ...

also, the tr came from lilith independantly too

[Menalque]

There were enough weak hop ons on my wagon that she wouldn’t have stood out that badly, and if town had figured it out a day later then the rest of the team could have just bussed her for cred

To believe lili is scum here means I have to believe she played a really, really awful and suboptimal D2, which is *possible* but I generally think lili is a good player and at least decent as scum, and I think there are far more games won by assuming she wouldn’t play in such a suboptimal way and clearing her from it, than games won by assuming she made bad choices for WIFOM and eliminating her