In post 2566, Hopkirk wrote:and you preferred to keep the person who hasn't even posted in the game. good decision.
yeah flea pretending to push me for preferring a majority decision and hammering anyway and pretending to defend you when fae could have voted gypyx and then gypyx would have been eliminated instead due to plurality rules is !!!
In post 2562, Gloria Cleary wrote:I get why you’re annoyed but that would be suicidal for scum!Hopkirk don’t you think? I don’t see scum taking that kind of risk when their one of the lead wagons.
i just woke up after sleeping for 5ish hours after being awake for 20 hours, my brain isnt exactly capable of deep thought but it is capable of feeling hot white rage from a sense of betrayal
You can’t play like that though, you need to use your head. Scum doesn’t do stupid shit like that. That screams paranoid bad town if anything.
If you’re upset, calm down first - your sage advice to me yesterday - then vote.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:32 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i do not have the best emotional control in the world
dunn says its too late (you know dunn wants to push me)
youre telling dunn, no wait its not too late its possible.
you are literally trying to open a door that is closed.
Seeing if he'll try and push you or wait until stuff happens is good for reads. Dunn responded with a double down vote on me after essentially saying 'will you switch' and me saying no.
This Increased my Dunn scumread.
Increases Gyp scumpartner points with Dunn.
At no point was i going to vote you > Gypyx.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:35 am
by Hopkirk
(Dunn/MT/Gyp/Skitter30/maybe Isis) POE
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:35 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
ok my bad for misreading that interaction then sorry hop
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:35 am
by Flea The Magician
What is this "emotional control" you speak of?
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:35 am
by Gloria Cleary
In post 2569, Hopkirk wrote:can you take a look at MT and another look at Dunn tomorrow Gloria?
Sure. I don’t understand why she thought you were the better vote over a slot who hasn’t done a damn thing until right before deadline.
And yes, Dunn’s Skitter vote is super pinging because it reads like, I don’t want to get possible blood on my hands since he knew we weren’t flipping Skitter.
Staking my claim, you had questionable stuff early wheras Gypyx didn't do anything. I didn't like that pooky pointed to jessie while making their vote on Gypyx
In post 1131, Hopkirk wrote:(Dunn/Skitter30/Gypyx/Jessie) is the people I don't have good vibes on.
It's also to some extent concerning overlapping with people not approaching the game in a certain way.
TGP isn't really a
townread
but I initially got bad vibes from, there's a couple of things that seem weird from scum, and my POE hates them, so they get townpoints for that.
This is a really good list, except i townread jessie
Gloria and Jessie im strongest on. Infinity is close to them. and below them, hopkirk + Pooky + Isis + Flea i've all gotten townleans on.
leaving ydrasse, golden, skitts, dunn, and gypx. Ydrasse and Golden i have weak reasoning for. The other three i just don't have an opinion on. I think Gypx's behaviour is sort of weird for scum but ive seen scum do it too. Skitts (along with Isis) in their sort of 1v1 i just have been glossing over after initially disagreeing with what i saw. I'm not confident in my ability to read skitts without associative information. Dunn is playing like he did in forest fire and silent star 1.. which unfortunately i took to be as a scumtell in Forest fire and miselimed him (or tried to anyway). i think I know what to watch out for to learn his alignment
Normally i'd vote Gypyx as a sort of policy and be done with it, but i get the sense he actually probably doesn't flip scum
Hop I think technically has higher chances of flipping scum but i'm more interested in why Gypyx was the only one who got real votes today.
this is such a weird reaction to a wagon that contains Jessie, Gloria, and Infinity (MT's top three townreads) and 2 other townreads vs a previous scumread. I really don't get how you ever vote me>Gypyx here over the wagon which contains most of your POE
There were definitely other meaningful wagons today MT, despite a several day lull. Skitter30/me stayed low key for a while which makes me feel iffier on a Skitter30 SR
Staking my claim, you had questionable stuff early wheras Gypyx didn't do anything. I didn't like that pooky pointed to jessie while making their vote on Gypyx
Explain this @Dunn.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:48 am
by Hopkirk
I don't get how MT sees a wagon with Skitter30/Dunn/Gyp on it after saying she doesn't like those three (plus a weak townread, Isis) and says to herself 'yes, i'd prefer to join that wagon than the one all of my townreads are pushing'. Like how can you claim to be a POE player then go for a wagon
In post 1131, Hopkirk wrote:(Dunn/Skitter30/Gypyx/Jessie) is the people I don't have good vibes on.
It's also to some extent concerning overlapping with people not approaching the game in a certain way.
TGP isn't really a
townread
but I initially got bad vibes from, there's a couple of things that seem weird from scum, and my POE hates them, so they get townpoints for that.
This is a really good list, except i townread jessie
Gloria and Jessie im strongest on. Infinity is close to them. and below them, hopkirk + Pooky + Isis + Flea i've all gotten townleans on.
leaving ydrasse, golden, skitts, dunn, and gypx. Ydrasse and Golden i have weak reasoning for. The other three i just don't have an opinion on. I think Gypx's behaviour is sort of weird for scum but ive seen scum do it too. Skitts (along with Isis) in their sort of 1v1 i just have been glossing over after initially disagreeing with what i saw. I'm not confident in my ability to read skitts without associative information. Dunn is playing like he did in forest fire and silent star 1.. which unfortunately i took to be as a scumtell in Forest fire and miselimed him (or tried to anyway). i think I know what to watch out for to learn his alignment
Normally i'd vote Gypyx as a sort of policy and be done with it, but i get the sense he actually probably doesn't flip scum
Hop I think technically has higher chances of flipping scum but i'm more interested in why Gypyx was the only one who got real votes today.
this is such a weird reaction to a wagon that contains Jessie, Gloria, and Infinity (MT's top three townreads) and 2 other townreads vs a previous scumread. I really don't get how you ever vote me>Gypyx here over the wagon which contains most of your POE
There were definitely other meaningful wagons today MT, despite a several day lull. Skitter30/me stayed low key for a while which makes me feel iffier on a Skitter30 SR
Yeah I agree. Skitter/Isis’ votes look like their based more on actual reads, so the Dunn/MT votes on you look the worst.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:52 am
by Hopkirk
MT doesn't have great interactions over the TGP vote (issues with Dunn then goes for TGP when it gets hard) or Gyp. Gyp has TRs on both so is setting up to vote outside there in future- probably angling for a Skitter30 push post green-flip from me since she's a common occurrence in all three of their reads lists and i conflicted with her for a while (but none of them pushed her much when i was pushing her - only Dunn). Dunn doesn't mention MT that I can see and acts to oppose the Gyp vote.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:52 am
by Hopkirk
Isis I like most of her play this game, its just a weird vote at the end, but I'm not convinced she even makes that vote as scum tbh
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:53 am
by Gloria Cleary
In post 2592, Hopkirk wrote:I don't get how MT sees a wagon with Skitter30/Dunn/Gyp on it after saying she doesn't like those three (plus a weak townread, Isis) and says to herself 'yes, i'd prefer to join that wagon than the one all of my townreads are pushing'. Like how can you claim to be a POE player then go for a wagon
every single one of your scumreads wants
Yeah, that doesn’t make sense that she would be suspicious of a wagon her trs were on. Like gun to head, it looks like one of them is either a Gypyx buddy or he’s town and want to keep him around later for an easy elim. Idk.
In post 506, Hopkirk wrote:Try and get as many townreads as possible, accept a deepwolf getting in there, then work through the POE? I like the sound of that.
Yes! That's my playstyle because i am terrible at finding scum. the only issues that arise are A.) sometimes i get scum in the PoE, but miss inside of the PoE and B.) i am bad at reevaluating already cemented townreads so finding any deepwolves is pain
Or maybe it's because i used to give out townreads way too easily. i tell myself i don't do that anymore, but then wonder what went wrong when I run out of people I'm
not
townreading
MT agreed they share my playstyle and... i don't see myself ever considering that vote in her shoes.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:57 am
by Hopkirk
'the game stalled' as a thought really doesn't logically lead 'the person who got wagoned in part for inactivity is town'.
Either mafia are intentionally stalling (and not being here becomes a major sus) or mafia are happy with the gamestate (Skitter30/Hop being the two biggest wagons for a while) are the two most obvious ways to explain that gamestate. Not voting Gyp there kind of resembles her stance around Dunn/TGP in a weird way.
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:58 am
by Gloria Cleary
In post 2594, Hopkirk wrote:MT doesn't have great interactions over the TGP vote (issues with Dunn then goes for TGP when it gets hard) or Gyp. Gyp has TRs on both so is setting up to vote outside there in future- probably angling for a Skitter30 push post green-flip from me since she's a common occurrence in all three of their reads lists and i conflicted with her for a while (but none of them pushed her much when i was pushing her - only Dunn). Dunn doesn't mention MT that I can see and acts to oppose the Gyp vote.
In post 2595, Hopkirk wrote:Isis I like most of her play this game, its just a weird vote at the end, but I'm not convinced she even makes that vote as scum tbh
I got townpings from both Skitter/Isis. I did like MT but I will have to re-ISO her. I remember that she made it a point of saying she thought I was pushing TGP but the fact was that I was trying to get Dunn launched over them, so I kind’ve wondered about that.
