Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[Marky Mark]

samantha and etine both look the worst here if we want to assume all these wagons are town except the etine one.

I mean assuming Etine wagon was the only one on scum is a mahoosive logical step to take, which kinda undermines this

[Vasex]

dunnstral could be in the chimney

Std is more scum than dunn
Dunn scumreads std a lot

[Marky Mark]

I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

i should be the towniest player with 5 hundred of messages per day.
if people dont believe me (and mathematically there are townies among people who vote me), these people either have some problems with reading the other players because of huge lack of experience maybe, or i was doing smth very wrong (and most of voters are against t3)... and your most strange and rather unexpactable vote to me after hard townreading is a good answer to this question, good clue.
if this is just your stupid mistake for the cop, well you deserve to pay for it. i've never seen a cop who betrays his hard town so fast, unbelievable. they need all possible support, especially in your situation, they should be afraid to elim townie. you lied about smth - about your role, or about townreading me hard. you easy found a reason to vote me, with having some fun, joking and absolutely relaxed about that. i dont believe your reaction in #2375

btw please remind your role, what is it? could you claim that again in loud? you was avoiding this discussion, for example about 2-nights and 2-shots

1. Post volume != towniness

2. Trying to suggest that people voting you are mistaken and its due to a lack of experience is a slimy way of undermining those slots

3. I've said this before elsewhere but mid-late D1 you've set stuff that has repeatedly stretched or bent the truth, which just doesn't seem to be coming from a place of town:

-The defence of T3 for pushing Enchant over Kitty (eg 1125/1126) and insinuating that the Kitty wagon was clearly not viable by that point, when in reality a single player had unvoted (Dunn)

-The whole false bravado in 1281 of asking whether it was possible to elim both Kitty/T3, while making it clear that he did not want a T3 elim. Why not just elim Kitty first?

-2196 calling kitty out for agreeing to investigate someone that they were not SRing, when it was clearly because town had asked them to do it as a leash

-Implying in 2312 that you voted Cabd and loudly called for his elim to make people *not* want to elim him

[Marky Mark]

I appreciate this is all stuff that you've tried to explain your reasoning for elsewhere, I'm just trying to put together the reasons I'm voting you coherently in response to your post shading people who are voting you to show that there are some pretty good reasons IMO

[Vasex]

Mark, you can choose:
1. You dont know how to find townies.
2. You are a scum.

[Vasex]

Btw i noticed that ndmath post only 1 post per day, is it ok for him?

[Marky Mark]

Mark, you can choose:
1. You dont know how to find townies.
2. You are a scum.

Naked personal attack to undermine me rather than refuting any of my points. Nice.

[Marky Mark]

Btw i noticed that ndmath post only 1 post per day, is it ok for him?

I've only played against scum!him before and he was like that in that game (the Bending mini)

[Marky Mark]

Sidenote - we are getting moderately close to deadline

My POE:
Ideal: Vasex/T3/NDMath
Would take as a compromise Lim: Ana/Bloodhail
Break glass if things are getting really desperate: A50/Cabd

[Vasex]

I see no reasons to answer you again and again, Mark, because it seems that my explanations dont work and you still bring even old weak shit on me like answering to deathnote about killing both cops. Well maybe i need to begin seeing in you scum too.

[Marky Mark]

You are entitled to read my slot however you want to.

Threatening to SR me for pushing your slot is not gonna make me back down and has clear scum motives.

[Vasex]

It is not difficult to understand that right now im not trying to make you see a townie in me. I just dont care what you think at this point, maybe because i still think you are just so kind of townie. But if i begin scumreading you, i will be interested in your thinking process.

[Marky Mark]

I guess we are at an impasse. The others can make their own minds up whether the behaviours I have summed up in 2577 make sense.

[Marky Mark]

scum!Koba played the "I'm not going to interact with you" card on me in Bending to de-legitimise my (correct) push on her D1, so I am wary of it as a scum tactic but we'll see how this plays out.

[Vasex]

Everything i do is a scum tactic, if u belive im a scum. Even post volume. This is just a faith.

[Enchant]

What i miss again

[Vasex]

Vote T3
No unvoting now

[Kerset]

Checking DGB.

what if he is killed?

Yall told me to check him. If I check someone else I get hanged.

Though that will likely happen anyways.

Never tell in these games where you are going to go at night.
Is the first game didnt teach you about that?
There blocker said, that he will block me, and mafia skipped the shot then, to make everybody believe that i was blocked mafia with a gun, not vt...
So they can use this knowledge now again, if they are sure where you are going. They can shoot your target at least or do smth else. And your targetcan be prepared what to say if it is checked...
Be more unpredictable

You are wrong. Your statements only work under assumption that Kitty is conf!town. As suspect he should cooperate with town to prove their innocence.

[Kerset]

I have a problem with kerset in that they assume that a traitor is in the game because T3 claimed bulletproof initially,

and they also think a mafia cop is possible because there's a traitor.

But which one is it? T3 can't be both a traitor and a mafia cop. There's a lack of critical thinking here and it's concerning.

Andres play in this game still feels different from what I've seen town him do, even though they've jumped into the game

Bolded one isn't really true, someone asked why would mafia get a cop, so i answered based on theory. I see no reason to think that mafia got a cop at all, its not like D1 rolecop checked them.

[Kerset]

Idk what andres/anya are doing but those are 2 strong players as town. However after having mislimmed nero in my last game with them I'd like to give them breathing room since clearly they do not do well with pressure.

You didn't seem to defend andres, when he got votes.

[Vasex]

Kerset, no, you are wrong. This is ridiculous tactic. I wrote solid reasons why any cop shouldnt be predictable, you cannot argue with clear logic and statistics of different mess, caused by telling targets loud. And i gave an example.
Or do you already have some scum plan for this perfect move, scummy Kerset?

[Kerset]

I thought vasex claimed scum with the self vote.

i should be the towniest player with 5 hundred of messages per day.
if people dont believe me (and mathematically there are townies among people who vote me), these people either have some problems with reading the other players because of huge lack of experience maybe, or i was doing smth very wrong (and most of voters are against t3)... and your most strange and rather unexpactable vote to me after hard townreading is a good answer to this question, good clue.
if this is just your stupid mistake for the cop, well you deserve to pay for it. i've never seen a cop who betrays his hard town so fast, unbelievable. they need all possible support, especially in your situation, they should be afraid to elim townie. you lied about smth - about your role, or about townreading me hard. you easy found a reason to vote me, with having some fun, joking and absolutely relaxed about that. i dont believe your reaction in #2375

btw please remind your role, what is it? could you claim that again in loud? you was avoiding this discussion, for example about 2-nights and 2-shots

1. Post volume != towniness

2. Trying to suggest that people voting you are mistaken and its due to a lack of experience is a slimy way of undermining those slots

3. I've said this before elsewhere but mid-late D1 you've set stuff that has repeatedly stretched or bent the truth, which just doesn't seem to be coming from a place of town:

-The defence of T3 for pushing Enchant over Kitty (eg 1125/1126) and insinuating that the Kitty wagon was clearly not viable by that point, when in reality a single player had unvoted (Dunn)

-The whole false bravado in 1281 of asking whether it was possible to elim both Kitty/T3, while making it clear that he did not want a T3 elim. Why not just elim Kitty first?

-2196 calling kitty out for agreeing to investigate someone that they were not SRing, when it was clearly because town had asked them to do it as a leash

-Implying in 2312 that you voted Cabd and loudly called for his elim to make people *not* want to elim him

4. Votes basically everyone, just like he would have no townreads/scumreads on his own. At this point he even turned back at the only person that he avoided - T3.

[Kerset]

I wrote solid reasons why any cop shouldnt be predictable, you cannot argue with clear logic and statistics of different mess, caused by telling targets loud.

You wrote 'reasons why any cop shouldnt be predictable' which as i said work only under assumption that cop is conf!town. If you find this ridiculous, i can link you random games, where we leashed roles.

[Kerset]

I suspect cabd, vasex, ndmath

I like Etine, STD, DGB,

T3, Kitty,

DGB, Marky Mark

There are probably some others I forget, I will add for you later

Rly? Both cop claims are your townreads? They are like the most scummy players individually and never town together bc of claim.

[Vasex]

You are wrong again.
There are two claimed cops.
You think that t3 is scum.
So kitty should have more chances to be true for you. So you are trying to manipulate the true cop from your pov, explaining it that u want to check him. It maybe works only if you consider both cops are fake. More seems to me that you are afraid that he check someone else.
Btw there was post about you from Dunn, have you already answered that?