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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:53 am
by Andante
In post 2573, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2570, Andante wrote:
In post 2565, Dwlee99 wrote:but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.
feels like you know VP is flipping scum lol
If I was scum with VP why would I be trying to give you a townlock on his flip? Except to make this argument*
cause you know how VP has been recently, and you're trying to win my tr? idk, I think F&G SRs you with VP, I SR Toog more right now, I'll need to talk with skitter/pooky to figure out between yall, like Toog feels like frozen scum unsure of what to say right now, yet comes in with this garbage "read" that involves me in a poe. I'm not poe material, at least not right now. I know when it's fair to put me there, and it's not fair to have me in a poe right now.

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:57 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2571, Dwlee99 wrote:Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm
Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:00 am
by Andante
In post 2576, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2571, Dwlee99 wrote:Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm
Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?
If Dwlee was convinced F&G was 100% convinced it was a bus, they'd be voting you right now

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:01 am
by Dwlee99
In post 2576, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2571, Dwlee99 wrote:Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm
Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?
Cause Pooky could be scum without you being scum?

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:02 am
by Dwlee99
If I believed anything 100% this game would be a lot easier

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:03 am
by Andante
well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:03 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2577, Andante wrote:
In post 2576, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2571, Dwlee99 wrote:Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm
Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?
If Dwlee was convinced F&G was 100% convinced it was a bus, they'd be voting you right now
Thought you weren't talking to me?

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:05 am
by Andante
I swear... all angering me is gonna do is just make me not talk lmao

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:08 am
by Dwlee99
In post 2580, Andante wrote:well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol
This is why I don't do 100%

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:08 am
by VP Baltar
I'm making a point that you can take pot shots at me apparently, but not respond to legitimate questions. I'm not the one acting in bad faith here.

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:10 am
by Andante
In post 2583, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2580, Andante wrote:well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol
This is why I don't do 100%
lol I probably shouldn't but once I see connections, I really don't unsee them, especially if it makes sense to others when I explain... like if people confirm my "theories" leggooooo I still don't even understand how gamma was green, I SRed Darby for interactions with Gamma, they read as partners to me... I still don't understand lmao

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:12 am
by Andante
In post 2584, VP Baltar wrote:I'm making a point that you can take pot shots at me apparently, but not respond to legitimate questions. I'm not the one acting in bad faith here.
I'll respond to legitimate stuff, you asked me like 2-3 times why I TRed you day 1, and if I TRed you d1, I said why at the time, and your recent play doesn't even want to make me reconsider my read on you. yeah I know I TRed you at a point, haven't looked back for why. you didn't wanna question skitter/pooky? when 1 TRed you?

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:19 am
by Andante
ughhh I probably need to relook at everyone, but I really don't want to, like, I know VP has a clashing playstyle with me, so I need to like actually read his posts and see what I think, cause my initial SR off interactions, ehhh the gamma sr went so well... in like 12 hours I'll deal with my VP read, I also need to figure out if I actually tr SA like, I tried interacting, then SA "had to go" like, it's real easy for scum to post walls of text. if someone isn't interacting with anyone, that in itself is kinda a red flag.

UNVOTE: VP

no one get any cray ideas... and no I don't TR VP right now, but in the off chance people get the cray idea to vote

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:21 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2586, Andante wrote:I'll respond to legitimate stuff, you asked me like 2-3 times why I TRed you day 1, and if I TRed you d1, I said why at the time, and your recent play doesn't even want to make me reconsider my read on you. yeah I know I TRed you at a point, haven't looked back for why. you didn't wanna question skitter/pooky? when 1 TRed you?
No, I asked you to explain how you went from scum reading to town reading me at that point in the game. It was unexplained and seemed opportunistic to me, so I wanted you to explain your thought process. You've been dodging me since, seemingly on purpose.

As far as your last two questions there, I'm not following what you're asking me. Can you explain what you're asking me so I can answer? Are you asking me why I didn't questions F&G when they had split reads on me? I did. I expressed frustration at that very point.

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:23 am
by Andante
Dwlee99 Not_Mafia
Toogeloo Dunnstral
Sleepless Assassin
Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear)
Bingle
VP Baltar
Enchant

2 scum in 7 people. looking like good odds, F&G/Bingle are 2 people I'm TRing, leaves a 2/5

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia
Toogeloo Dunnstral
Sleepless Assassin
VP Baltar
Enchant


And I genuinely don't tr any of the above.. the fact at least 3 people in this are town? I might be inclined to tr vp, I need to see something first, Enchant... after it was said "I doubt enchant hammers like that as scum" they've been coasting a LOT, completely ignored the 10 page thing, voted dwlee without a reason... suspicious.. and yeah, that's all my thoughts for now, I have a pool of 5 I need to read, that's a later thing though

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:24 am
by Andante
In post 2588, VP Baltar wrote:seemed opportunistic to me
how the heck is me going "vp might be town" opportunistic? you weren't even a consideration for the wagon yesterday. Gamma was getting yeeted regardless of what you did

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:30 am
by Andante
In post 2588, VP Baltar wrote:You've been dodging me since, seemingly on purpose.
lmao I mean, did you notice I just wasn't talking in the thread at all? F&G and I had a real gamesolving moment yesterday, so when I had a few minutes to talk, of course I chose to talk to them, your questions for me do absolutely nothing in respect to solving the game, thus not a priority for me to answer. I'm not gonna sit here going "yeah my read on you is this" for everyone. I know where I'm looking, and I know where I'm not.

Like, I come into today like "F&G is probably scum" and it just so happens that after I say that you start pushing them, vote them? like it was half me being nervous my tr was so strong on them, and half "lets see who jumps on this" but I didn't really get the chance to follow up reactions on that

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:36 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2591, Andante wrote:Like, I come into today like "F&G is probably scum" and it just so happens that after I say that you start pushing them, vote them? like it was half me being nervous my tr was so strong on them, and half "lets see who jumps on this" but I didn't really get the chance to follow up reactions on that
Wait, are you suggesting I went after F&g because of an offhand remark you made?

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:40 am
by Andante
yes. yes I am

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:41 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2590, Andante wrote:
In post 2588, VP Baltar wrote:seemed opportunistic to me
how the heck is me going "vp might be town" opportunistic? you weren't even a consideration for the wagon yesterday. Gamma was getting yeeted regardless of what you did
Opportunistic in the sense of trying to sway me to your side at that point with a town read.

Can you, pretty please I'm genuinely asking here, explain what I did or said at that time that made you flip your read on me?

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:44 am
by Andante
why would I care if you TRed me then? I was just trying to find scum with F&G? I'd have to reread to see what it was, I think I might tr you right now for a different reason though, there's still time, and I'll reread later, I guarantee wherever I said I TRed you there was a reason with it, I don't remember it right now though

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:47 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2593, Andante wrote:yes. yes I am
I think you are vastly overstating your relevance so far in this game.

The Gamma flip made me want to question NY own view on the game because he did make a lot of sense as a Darby partner, I agree. In my experience, the best approach when you have bad reads in the game is to scrap it all and start reconsidering everyone independently. You can see from the very start of the day today, I am asking questions to both FG and Bingle. In my head at that point, I'm worried about deep wolves and focusing my energy on stress testing those reads.

I'm actually quite glad pooky and I went at it because it gave me a better feeling about him in some respects. At least there is something I can work with there to make an evaluation. On the whole, he probably made me slightly less suspicious because I can see the thinking around the A50 thing, even if I disagree with it.

I assure you, your comment did not even land on my radar

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:47 am
by Andante
ughhh I like mindlessly tunneling instead of critical thinking, I'm doing enough math in my classes right now.. this is like 4d chess "so this person flips green, what's your move" ""uhhhh flip a red??"

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:48 am
by Andante
In post 2596, VP Baltar wrote:I think you are vastly overstating your relevance so far in this game.
ouch. my ego is sad

Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:55 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2598, Andante wrote:
In post 2596, VP Baltar wrote:I think you are vastly overstating your relevance so far in this game.
ouch. my ego is sad
We all do it, don't worry. I'm guilty too.