Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[teacher]

The one vote on me I truly dont get, given our history, was Skitter. To me, that interchange, pedantic though it might have been, was so similar to 1951 (right down to the miscommunication with foreigners) that I dont get how it looks scummy in her eyes. Thats kind of why I wanted to vibe with Menalque about it, since he was there too.

You feel more self-righteous here, almost, but i'm not sure it's genuine

You do you skit ?Nd I would have thought the nibs grammar lesson was peak self-righteous (or at least self indulgent)

[skitter30]

VOTE: unvote

was hoping to spook you. I havent read.

Nah i'm not going to spook that way this game

Who did you replace? Emps? I dont have a read on him

why do people like responding to things i say with just "hmmm"

I think you made a valid point worth mulling over

[skitter30]

The one vote on me I truly dont get, given our history, was Skitter. To me, that interchange, pedantic though it might have been, was so similar to 1951 (right down to the miscommunication with foreigners) that I dont get how it looks scummy in her eyes. Thats kind of why I wanted to vibe with Menalque about it, since he was there too.

You feel more self-righteous here, almost, but i'm not sure it's genuine

You do you skit ?Nd I would have thought the nibs grammar lesson was peak self-righteous (or at least self indulgent)

Ya that's what i'm saying
You werent self righteous with farkran. More death-tunnely

[pisskop]

i suppose I can be bothered to read, though it doesn't look like we're close to a lynch?

[Bingle]

why do people like responding to things i say with just "hmmm"

Hmmmm.

[skitter30]

Maybe we are-ish?
Idk i was vla for two days and i'm catching up now

[Bingle]

A few different L3 wagons, but no, not particularly.

[teacher]

Fark did scummy things. Nibs just did stupid things. Not the same, but similar levels of pedantic arguing, or at least it felt so. (Between that and Menalque in 1951, I’d have thought me being on actual tilt would register familiar vibes for you, but I guess I can see the difference because I didn’t have scum conviction behind my argument posture here.

[skitter30]

When I'm engaging skitter in mb I kind of ask myself what she's posting in the scum pt, hypothetically. Regardless of her partners she's a logical scum player. I can't picture how she would be diarying through our conversation and I think the pacing indicates her frustrations were very earnest. Don't think scum!skitter has a tendency to dive into these conversations without evaluating what she gets out of it.

+ singleball I have a ~tell~ on skitter but it's spiritual and v hard to communicate. it also doesn't really work for multiball.

Huh

[Wooper]

hi pisskop

[Bingle]

Jingle's still scumclaiming btw, but i doubt this is happening today

Jingle still wants you to say literally anything about the why, but I doubt that's going to happen today.

[pisskop]

hi pisskop

o/ hi wooper!

So who is scummiest?

[northsidegal]

Anyways, on the subject of why I'm not a fan of Bingle's posting beginning around 2410:

This is his readlist starting at post 2221:

Spoiler:

DrDolittle

Nibbui

skitter30
Wickedestjr
Almost50

NorwegianboyEE
Menalque

Emperor flippyNips

northsidegal

the worst
skitter30

teacher
Egix96

This is roughly where I'm at, btw. Yes, I'm aware skitter shows up twice. Orders within groupings are pretty loose, tbh.

Take particular note of the bottom of the list, starting at the worst down.

Then, starting at 2410, we have questioning and the pursual of perceived contradictions from the worst, consistent with his previously stated reads:

Spoiler:

Why do you trust the communal PoE then?

Aren't you worried that other people have reads you disagree with? If you aren't, why aren't you adopting those reads?

Alright, what is the communal PoE in your opinion?

So the communal PoE is ~50% of the playerlist, you're in it, and you have suspects outside of it and it's pretty good in your opinion?

:thorface:

I have suspects outside it?

Your suspect pool includes Egix/NSG/Emps. The group consensus contains 2.5 of those according to you. I don't see how being concerned about you being unconcerned about that is fishing.

However, 2426 is where things become notable to me:

Is wooper high priority? I've never seen him be especially good at scum. Also, I think his likeliest partner is skitter, so...

This kind of downplaying of the worst's ability as scum seems strange to me. Granted, off of the top of my head I can't say that I have hard evidence to indicate that bingle is directly contradicting any of his previously stated views regarding the worst's ability, but my general impression was that most people on the site would consider him in the upper echelon of scum players. I believe it stands to reason, then, that what he's doing here serves some sort of larger purpose, and this is where I begin to see your point that they may have partner equity. It's perhaps an obvious (generic, even) conclusion to come to that by designating the worst as a "lower priority" scum target, he may excusably be kept alive until later days while other targets are lynched.

And, indeed, strangely enough just a few posts later in his ISO we see not only a divergence from the worst, but also from his previously stated second highest scumread:

Spoiler:

It did.

I guess my issue with the posts from teacher isn't so much the inaccuracy of what he's saying as the excessive pedantry. Technically, his grammatical parsing of what was said is correct, but it's also meaningless as it sidesteps addressing the message.

This is like the first thing that you've said that i've agreed with all game i think

Roughly this, but pretty much everyone and their mother was saying teacher was scummy beforehand and I've never gotten an answer as to why.

To be clear, if my understanding of this post is correct, Bingle is quoting his previously stated reason for teacher being scum while simultaneously calling into question other people's reasons. That's obviously a biased way of phrasing it but I don't think it's entirely inaccurate.

So we're at a point where Bingle is somewhat indirectly downplaying the scumminess of some of his top scumreads. Immediately after this, he says that he "could be convinced" on A50 scum and then, without much convincing (by my reading), he joins the wagon alongside his previous second highest scumread while also expressing reservations about lynching the worst.

Spoiler:

Teacher can I interest you in a monkey lynch today?

I could maybe be convinced. What's your issue with him?

VOTE: A50

@bingle currently making dinner but I’ll get an argument up for him later

No offense taken. In fact that’s what I called out - like I don’t know all that many people on the list but skit should certainly not see that as scum indicative, yet voted? That was weirder than anything else after the dark ran and you experience in 1951.

VOTE: a50

Fuckit. This feels towndriven, and I have major reservations about lynching the water-duck.

VOTE: A50

Still want that case, btw, Mena.

[skitter30]

Fark did scummy things. Nibs just did stupid things. Not the same, but similar levels of pedantic arguing, or at least it felt so. (Between that and Menalque in 1951, I’d have thought me being on actual tilt would register familiar vibes for you, but I guess I can see the difference because I didn’t have scum conviction behind my argument posture here.

Well it could be because i'm looking at your argument from a different viewpoint here (i.e. there i just wanted to egg it on) but it doesnt feel much at all the same, that's what i'm trying to say
Like the level of conviction isnt here, i feel like

[skitter30]

Jingle's still scumclaiming btw, but i doubt this is happening today

Jingle still wants you to say literally anything about the why, but I doubt that's going to happen today.

This probably isnt happening, and you know why, so

[northsidegal]

Anyways, you don't have to take all of that as some paranoia-fueled full-scumteam call, or even as strictly partner associations.

What I do think it should be taken as—at the very least—is that something strange is going on with Bingle's reads, and it seems to me like there is some sort of agenda behind many of his actions.

[northsidegal]

i suppose I can be bothered to read, though it doesn't look like we're close to a lynch?

Maybe we are-ish?
Idk i was vla for two days and i'm catching up now

A few different L3 wagons, but no, not particularly.

i'd say we're on the precipice of a lynch. if we aren't then i think we really should be, with two days on the clock.

[teacher]

Eh, I think to stay up theee hours past my planned sign off point just to tangle I think the conviction is there, just a different kind of conviction (you’re wrong rather than you’re scum). But fair enough.

Also, @NSG, Menalque has a theory maybe around of 25 or so that ducky was scum Pr that bingle was distracting from, so the association is long running.

[skitter30]

I suppose "hey skitter let's sort each other d2 *does noisy things at other slots*" is a trick I've now successfully used so maybe I'd need something more profound to get around rolling against skitter?

This probably would have worked just fine

[northsidegal]

So yeah, that's what got me along the line of thinking of cross-bussing as a means of staying alive, among other things. If some subset of {bingle, the worst, teacher} is scum, the sort of balance of people hopping from one of those wagons to the A50 wagon seems to me to follow closely whether or not they believe it can actually go through today and how hard they want to bus.

[northsidegal]

would you really go along with "let's sort each other day 2"?

[northsidegal]

just curious i guess

[skitter30]

Jingle's reads (+current push on me) are absolutely agenda driven, and i'm p sure i've figured out the agenda

[skitter30]

would you really go along with "let's sort each other day 2"?

If he wasnt like obviously scummy, probably

[northsidegal]

just to clarify, with all of that on this page being said, i still would rather lynch one of {teacher, the worst} today with a preference for the worst

a lot of what i've said about bingle can be viewed from a higher level as "he shares my scumreads but is being really weird about a lot of his scumreads", and there's an outside possibility that most of that is just general weirdness rather than scum-indicative weirdness. if i were to know for a fact that, say, both the worst and teacher were town, that would recontextualize a lot of his actions i think.

so i don't think bingle first is optimal ordering.