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So here's the situation.

Scum have a dillema.
Do they shoot me and gamble that I block any investigative that might have a guilty? [I still feel neighbor is a misleading role but we'll see.]
Vanilla doesn't clear anyone and Chaos is an unknown investigative.
Do they shoot Gamma and pray I am not on him?
Do they shoot Chaos and assume I am not on him?
If they fail their kill, they are near certainly facing another investigation.

I think atp - if there is a town neighbor they *should* claim for the sake of us having a better understanding of the setup. scum already know who the neighbor is and who it is - hiding that info just hurts us as town

In post 2600, Titus wrote:So here's the situation.

Scum have a dillema.
Do they shoot me and gamble that I block any investigative that might have a guilty? [I still feel neighbor is a misleading role but we'll see.]
Vanilla doesn't clear anyone and Chaos is an unknown investigative.
Do they shoot Gamma and pray I am not on him?
Do they shoot Chaos and assume I am not on him?
If they fail their kill, they are near certainly facing another investigation.

yes, this actually *complicated* the game much more for scum in a way that scum wouldn't like.

In post 2597, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Why not? Then I can catch up overnight and see if I find any scum in Titus/Gamma/Chaos.

If it’s actually Chaos I don’t know if I’ll be more disappointed in myself or everyone else for letting him go.

If they have a gated roleblocker, they could shoot one and block the other, but in that case, we just keep the invests alive until E minus 1 day.

In post 2603, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2597, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Why not? Then I can catch up overnight and see if I find any scum in Titus/Gamma/Chaos.

If it’s actually Chaos I don’t know if I’ll be more disappointed in myself or everyone else for letting him go.

I will be happy if it’s Chaos because then Titus can go “I was right on Umlaut” and I can go “I was right on Chaos” lol

In post 2601, DkKoba wrote:I think atp - if there is a town neighbor they *should* claim for the sake of us having a better understanding of the setup. scum already know who the neighbor is and who it is - hiding that info just hurts us as town

I'm taking neighbor as a scumclaim given the OP.

if I were to put an ordered list right this second of towniest to least towniest based on everything I've read so far, the bottom 3 names would be alch-ari-lukewarm.

In post 2601, DkKoba wrote:I think atp - if there is a town neighbor they *should* claim for the sake of us having a better understanding of the setup. scum already know who the neighbor is and who it is - hiding that info just hurts us as town

This is the 3rd time this point has been made. At this point there are no Town neighbors because it would have been claimed.

In post 2606, Titus wrote:

In post 2601, DkKoba wrote:I think atp - if there is a town neighbor they *should* claim for the sake of us having a better understanding of the setup. scum already know who the neighbor is and who it is - hiding that info just hurts us as town

I'm taking neighbor as a scumclaim given the OP.

shh I wanted to bait them into claiming

fr tho ~ neighborhoods *have* to have a hood mate in a normal game

so there's that

In post 2600, Titus wrote:So here's the situation.

Scum have a dillema.
Do they shoot me and gamble that I block any investigative that might have a guilty? [I still feel neighbor is a misleading role but we'll see.]
Vanilla doesn't clear anyone and Chaos is an unknown investigative.
Do they shoot Gamma and pray I am not on him?
Do they shoot Chaos and assume I am not on him?
If they fail their kill, they are near certainly facing another investigation.

I think given the OP information and what is here scum have to have some way to prevent FTC. A blocker strongman or something.

In post 2605, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2603, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2597, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Why not? Then I can catch up overnight and see if I find any scum in Titus/Gamma/Chaos.

If it’s actually Chaos I don’t know if I’ll be more disappointed in myself or everyone else for letting him go.

I will be happy if it’s Chaos because then Titus can go “I was right on Umlaut” and I can go “I was right on Chaos” lol

reasons to townread chaos being outshined by much of the playerlist atp - was concerned mainly with their lack of engagement with the game after wagon dissolved on them but the fact they led on umlaut SoD2 is pretty significant.

In post 2598, Alchemist21 wrote:Why did you target Umlaut N1? What were your thoughts on Chaos claiming TI who had a guilty on Umlaut?

Umlaut was in this neat little venn diagram overlap spot of "low content thus good target for TIs" and "suspicious person who's likely to have to claim and as scum good for me to target since my MO as rolecop is to keep people honest"
my thoughts on Chaos are that I'm skeptical but I can see how Chaos targeted Umlaut, since I presume he operated on the same logic of "this slot is low content so I should use my action to bring him into the light"

In post 2599, DkKoba wrote:

In post 2586, Datisi wrote:that said it's possible the remaining members of the scumteam are neighbour + goon so a "vanilla" result ain't clearing but that's neither here nor there ig

oh my brain lol


i forgot that being in a scum pt makes u automatically in a PT .. the neighbor flip from umlaut just sorta made my brain shut off and think that it had to be so.

another townslip oops!

this I could maybe see as a townslip except you're scrambling to get one to stick

*me, in my dayplay corner watching yall play with nightplay*

In post 2610, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2600, Titus wrote:So here's the situation.

Scum have a dillema.
Do they shoot me and gamble that I block any investigative that might have a guilty? [I still feel neighbor is a misleading role but we'll see.]
Vanilla doesn't clear anyone and Chaos is an unknown investigative.
Do they shoot Gamma and pray I am not on him?
Do they shoot Chaos and assume I am not on him?
If they fail their kill, they are near certainly facing another investigation.

I think given the OP information and what is here scum have to have some way to prevent FTC. A blocker strongman or something.

The protective is a jailkeeper. FTC cannot happen.

In post 2611, DkKoba wrote:

In post 2605, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2603, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2597, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Why not? Then I can catch up overnight and see if I find any scum in Titus/Gamma/Chaos.

If it’s actually Chaos I don’t know if I’ll be more disappointed in myself or everyone else for letting him go.

I will be happy if it’s Chaos because then Titus can go “I was right on Umlaut” and I can go “I was right on Chaos” lol

reasons to townread chaos being outshined by much of the playerlist atp - was concerned mainly with their lack of engagement with the game after wagon dissolved on them but the fact they led on umlaut SoD2 is pretty significant.

It’s really not. Scum change votes all the time.

6 naked votes aren’t all invest PRs.

I kinda wanna see how things develop here but I think there be shenanigans.

I just want time to find them.

In post 2615, Titus wrote:

In post 2610, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2600, Titus wrote:So here's the situation.

Scum have a dillema.
Do they shoot me and gamble that I block any investigative that might have a guilty? [I still feel neighbor is a misleading role but we'll see.]
Vanilla doesn't clear anyone and Chaos is an unknown investigative.
Do they shoot Gamma and pray I am not on him?
Do they shoot Chaos and assume I am not on him?
If they fail their kill, they are near certainly facing another investigation.

I think given the OP information and what is here scum have to have some way to prevent FTC. A blocker strongman or something.

The protective is a jailkeeper. FTC cannot happen.

FTC isn’t just from results it’s from innos.

In post 2613, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2599, DkKoba wrote:

In post 2586, Datisi wrote:that said it's possible the remaining members of the scumteam are neighbour + goon so a "vanilla" result ain't clearing but that's neither here nor there ig

oh my brain lol


i forgot that being in a scum pt makes u automatically in a PT .. the neighbor flip from umlaut just sorta made my brain shut off and think that it had to be so.

another townslip oops!

this I could maybe see as a townslip except you're scrambling to get one to stick

i mean it could in a scum!me world be me TMIing the whole scum team is neighbors - but no, it was me genuinely me having brain worms over how the info applies to scum.

In post 2605, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2603, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2597, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Why not? Then I can catch up overnight and see if I find any scum in Titus/Gamma/Chaos.

If it’s actually Chaos I don’t know if I’ll be more disappointed in myself or everyone else for letting him go.

I will be happy if it’s Chaos because then Titus can go “I was right on Umlaut” and I can go “I was right on Chaos” lol

See I swear the general attitude D2 was “Umlaut and Chaos are scummy, who should we flip first?” I was expecting the Chaos wagon to take off as easy as the Umlaut wagon and as soon as D3 started and it didn’t happen, he claimed PR and apparently there were people who knew already.

Mainly I still don’t get how there’s less unity today.

In post 2616, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2611, DkKoba wrote:

In post 2605, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2603, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2597, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Why not? Then I can catch up overnight and see if I find any scum in Titus/Gamma/Chaos.

If it’s actually Chaos I don’t know if I’ll be more disappointed in myself or everyone else for letting him go.

I will be happy if it’s Chaos because then Titus can go “I was right on Umlaut” and I can go “I was right on Chaos” lol

reasons to townread chaos being outshined by much of the playerlist atp - was concerned mainly with their lack of engagement with the game after wagon dissolved on them but the fact they led on umlaut SoD2 is pretty significant.

It’s really not. Scum change votes all the time.

6 naked votes aren’t all invest PRs.

I kinda wanna see how things develop here but I think there be shenanigans.

I just want time to find them.

alright. Now that my universe has been crushed - tell me more about Chaos since they've slipped down the list due to revelations and such.

In post 2616, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2611, DkKoba wrote:

In post 2605, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2603, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2597, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Why not? Then I can catch up overnight and see if I find any scum in Titus/Gamma/Chaos.

If it’s actually Chaos I don’t know if I’ll be more disappointed in myself or everyone else for letting him go.

I will be happy if it’s Chaos because then Titus can go “I was right on Umlaut” and I can go “I was right on Chaos” lol

reasons to townread chaos being outshined by much of the playerlist atp - was concerned mainly with their lack of engagement with the game after wagon dissolved on them but the fact they led on umlaut SoD2 is pretty significant.

It’s really not. Scum change votes all the time.

6 naked votes aren’t all invest PRs.

I kinda wanna see how things develop here but I think there be shenanigans.

I just want time to find them.

You have them. Unless the team is precisely Chaos Gamma you have two nights of survival.

In post 2602, DkKoba wrote:

In post 2600, Titus wrote:So here's the situation.

Scum have a dillema.
Do they shoot me and gamble that I block any investigative that might have a guilty? [I still feel neighbor is a misleading role but we'll see.]
Vanilla doesn't clear anyone and Chaos is an unknown investigative.
Do they shoot Gamma and pray I am not on him?
Do they shoot Chaos and assume I am not on him?
If they fail their kill, they are near certainly facing another investigation.

yes, this actually *complicated* the game much more for scum in a way that scum wouldn't like.

if both scum make it through the day perhaps
scum getting voted out means Titus can just target the most suspected remaining player, I rolecop them, and chaos does whatever makes sense with his action

In post 2619, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2605, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2603, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2597, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Alch

Why not? Then I can catch up overnight and see if I find any scum in Titus/Gamma/Chaos.

If it’s actually Chaos I don’t know if I’ll be more disappointed in myself or everyone else for letting him go.

I will be happy if it’s Chaos because then Titus can go “I was right on Umlaut” and I can go “I was right on Chaos” lol

See I swear the general attitude D2 was “Umlaut and Chaos are scummy, who should we flip first?” I was expecting the Chaos wagon to take off as easy as the Umlaut wagon and as soon as D3 started and it didn’t happen, he claimed PR and apparently there were people who knew already.

Mainly I still don’t get how there’s less unity today.

Can’t tell without reading but I am happy assuming the PoE is good and then using overnight if it’s not to read and catch up

idk but i feel pure vibes from the current conversation flow and its nice