[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[The Fonz]

Lover's Mayhem

2 Mafias

8 Town Lovers

Silly Mafias can't be lovers, as a Nightless game.
Mwahehehe. This would most likely favor Mafias if they can lover-death-dodge, while Town are the silly mafia catchers.

Everyone claims their partners instantly. Town gets three lynches to hit the scummiest-looking pair. That's actually town-balanced. Once one scum goes down, so does the other, immediately. Although it might not be SO town-friendly as to be unfun...

[Crazy]

6p Lovers had a 40% chance of

town

winning. 8p Lovers has about a 65% chance of town winning. Meaning the town will win more often than not if they just random lynch all the time.

Oh, wait, nevermind, you're right. 6p lovers does have a 60% of town winning. That's insane. If scum are winning a majority of those setups, then that's even more insane. But certainly if the town already has a 60% chance of winning, we don't need to give them any more advantage.

[Olinea]

Special Mechanics:

~If 2 or more Doctors target the same person, that person dies.

What if one of said Docs is RBed?

Otherwise, I got nothing. I feel like it's been done before...

Yeah, I just realized it's kind of like a reverse Fire & Ice :/

Also, Roleblocking would prevent the Doc "protection" from going, so the person would live.

[Tragedy]

Lovers Mayhem

(EDITED)

2 Mafia Goons
2 Mafia Treacherous Lovers

8 Lovers
2 Town Treacherous Lovers

Edited Nightless Lovers Mayhem.
All Lovers got Day Talk, hehe.
But Mafia Treacherous Lovers can also talk to their Mafia Mates too during the Day Phase too.

[gandalf5166]

There's a setup LIKE that already called polygamist that has four pairs of lovers and one group of 4 mafia that are all lovers with each other. It's VERY hard for mafia. Doesn't mean I didn't win it though.

So the idea has been done, so you know.

[Antihero]

There's a setup LIKE that already called polygamist that has four pairs of lovers and one group of 4 mafia that are all lovers with each other. It's VERY hard for mafia. Doesn't mean I didn't win it though.

So the idea has been done, so you know.

No. Treacherous lovers are where the lovership (is that a word?) is half town, half scum. So, pretty much, it's like polygamist except for town don't know if their lover is also town at the beginning.

Tragedy, that's actually a pretty interesting variation on a kind of hackneyed mechanic.

[chesskid3]

>_>
what about mineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[animorpherv1]

There's a setup LIKE that already called polygamist that has four pairs of lovers and one group of 4 mafia that are all lovers with each other. It's VERY hard for mafia. Doesn't mean I didn't win it though.

So the idea has been done, so you know.

No. Treacherous lovers are where the lovership (is that a word?) is half town, half scum. So, pretty much, it's like polygamist except for town don't know if their lover is also town at the beginning.

Tragedy, that's actually a pretty interesting variation on a kind of hackneyed mechanic.

I've seen treacherous lovers as in where if the other half dies, this half doesn't.

[Chronopie]

Sounds a bit like one I played in, I don't remember what it was called but the setup was:

4x VT
3x Lover

1x T.Lover
1x Goon

We ended up outing both pairs of lovers D1, but Obv the Mafia didn't NK the other pair for several days, as it would have resulted in an insta Lynch on the 1/1 pair.

(I was the town

Lover

paired w/ the

T.Lover

)

[gandalf5166]

The problem there is that it's the best idea for both lover pairs to claim D1, so that they have a 50% chance of lynching scum.

[Tragedy]

The problem there is that it's the best idea for both lover pairs to claim D1, so that they have a 50% chance of lynching scum.

But then again.
There's 5/9 to mislynch. I can't do math right either.

[gandalf5166]

Of course, if they get it wrong D1, then D3 they ARE left with 3 players. So worse results if they DO fail, but a much lower probability of it happening. And even if they get it right, scum shoots the other pair and they're at 5p.

[DeathRowKitty]

12p mountainous 9/3 with players divided into 3 groups of 4 people, and guaranteed exactly 1 scum in each group.

A quick calculation says town should win 7/18 of the time with random lynches, or about 39%. I would expect the actual win percentage to be lower though. Theoretically optimal play for town is to always lynch from the smallest of the three groups that still contains scum (optimal play for scum is to kill a confirmed if one exists and to kill from the largest remaining group if not), which in general means town might not be going after top scum picks, which could decrease lynch accuracy.

The concept is nice, but it doesn't seem like it would play out well.

I don't know what an executioner is, so I didn't bother to look at the other game.

[chesskid3]

12p mountainous 9/3 with players divided into 3 groups of 4 people, and guaranteed exactly 1 scum in each group.

A quick calculation says town should win 7/18 of the time with random lynches, or about 39%. I would expect the actual win percentage to be lower though. Theoretically optimal play for town is to always lynch from the smallest of the three groups that still contains scum (optimal play for scum is to kill a confirmed if one exists and to kill from the largest remaining group if not), which in general means town might not be going after top scum picks, which could decrease lynch accuracy.

The concept is nice, but it doesn't seem like it would play out well.

I don't know what an executioner is, so I didn't bother to look at the other game.

But if town does get a scum in a group of 4 they have 3 conftownies, so % goes up

scum exectiooner is a one shot secret daykill that forfeits that night's nightkill

[Andrius]

Chrono:
D1: All lovers claim.
Lynch from the non-lover claimants.
N1:
Scum either kill the town lovers and thereby sacrifice their own lover, or they kill from the VTs. Keep lynching from the VTs until scum shoot the lovers.

[DeathRowKitty]

But if town does get a scum in a group of 4 they have 3 conftownies, so % goes up

I'm not sure if this is referring to the expected win rate or reality. If it's referring to the expected win rate, I did take that into account (the calculation for that isn't too difficult; just start from 3 groups of 4 players, each with one scum, and branch off the possibilities for each day assuming town goes for the highest percentage chance and scum kills to give town the lowest percentage chance). If it's referring to reality, then I guess it kind of depends on how good those confirmed townies are in the day game, considering scum will just kill them off one-by-one at night.

The advantage town has in this setup vs. reality as compared to 2-10 mountainous is that scum are either forced to choose from a smaller pool of possible kill targets or sacrifice theoretical expected value each night, which could either force scum to play in a theoretically suboptimal way or to allow strong players to live longer. I'm not sure exactly how much that would affect balance and how much the town situation of having to lynch from a certain pool to avoid sacrificing theoretical expected value would counter that. Could be interesting.

I'm not really sure how it would play out. I would probably be willing to play it if it were run.

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As for the other setup, I'm not sure I see the point of executioner. Is it just to get an early shot at recruiting the traitor or does it bypass PGO? It seems like it should be roughly balanced (supposedly a vig balances either 12p or 13p with 3 scum and I forget which). I kind of like the PGO here in that it reduces swing vs putting a vig in the setup, since the only variable with PGO is whether or not it kills scum, instead of whether or not it kills scum and whether or not it kills town.

[chesskid3]

it's to counter the PGO.

[chesskid3]

PGO is night only.
so PGO can both be killed by the executioner.

also the traitor could be made killable by scum executioner or could also not know they are a traitor for balance.

[Seacore]

Idea:
Standard mafia game except that you lose if you die. To counter the lurkfest that would normally ensue, the game is invitation only choosing players who aren't jerks like that.

[chkflip]

CHK MAFIA

TOWN

1x Cop
1x Hated Miller (req's 1 less vote to lynch)
7x Vanilla

MAFIA

1x Godfather w/ inv-immunity
1x Goon

SCUM2

2x Werewolf

[Andrius]

chkflip: What's the point of the Miller?

[chkflip]

Fake-claim and to throw the people's "Cop's always right, follow him" mentality.

[Herodotus]

It shouldn't work out that way. When they claim, they're confirmed town unless one of the scum decides to counterclaim and get lynched the next day.
Interesting power difference between the scumteams there.

[GreyICE]

Idea:
Standard mafia game except that you lose if you die. To counter the lurkfest that would normally ensue, the game is invitation only choosing players who aren't jerks like that.

So a VT who draws the NK off a power role is playing suboptimally?

BAD IDEA MAFIA

Wanna see it play out.

"Okay, I'm scum. You got me. Me and my partners agreed to shoot the first person on the wagon every night, unless you idiots try some game like voting whose the first on the wagon, then we'll just shoot whoever is the first to vote for whoever is first on the wagon. Waiting for unvote from #1 to nominate new #1."

Congrats, voting for scum is now against your win condition.

[Antihero]

CHK MAFIA

TOWN

1x Cop
1x Hated Miller (req's 1 less vote to lynch)
7x Vanilla

MAFIA

1x Godfather w/ inv-immunity
1x Goon

SCUM2

2x Werewolf

Why do the werewolves have an advantage?