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In post 2622, zMuffinMan wrote: (1) how did you alter your posting pattern?

My activity increased over the course of the game once I started forming stronger reads. If my object was survival there would be no reason for me to increase my posting frequency, which was low Day 1.

(2) you say you gained nothing, but you're now using this as a defense - ergo you did gain something

This is is straight-up scummy reasoning. I did not preemptively point to my record and claim that I am town. You are accusing me on the basis of my posting yesterday, and now I am offering an explanation and a reason that your argument is uncompelling even if you are not convinced by my own explanation of my behavior. I did not lay the groundwork for a defense. Until today, no one articulated any real suspicion of me anyway.

You want scum? How about the people voting me with no explanation, no trajectory, and no substantial posts since the votes were cast. Read my cases on mollie and Kaze. Push Orc for content. But this is a dead-end, because when I get lynched, you will end up with a bandwagon full of people who have contributed nothing and no leads going into tomorrow. Or is that what you want?

you did decide to ride it out (i don't know how you can suggest otherwise), though,

If by "riding it out" you mean "leaping on it and just following it to the conclusion," no. I was perfectly willing to lynch FS because her contributions were at best nonexistent. But I had no damning case, so I posted none. That is what I meant by "riding it out."

and you didn't decide to draw attention to it until it became a matter of you contrasting how you approached one scum lynch compared to another as a means of suggesting you cannot be scum because you would have approached them uniformly.

And if I had anything to hide, I would not have mentioned it at all.

also if everyone rode out the flandre wagon, then why are you using it as part of your defense?

Because it relates to my defense.

yes, it does

My conviction was appropriate, and justified. And ultimately validated.

almost everyone thought mafiassk was likely scum -> there was no such general opinion on anyone else -> mafiassk lynch was definitely going to happen bar new information coming to light (mastin's defense wasn't new information)

Nope, because a wagon does not mean the day has to end. Just like the Brian wagon on Day 1 did not mean his death, and the wagon on me currently does not inevitably mean I will die. There was still plenty of time for someone to post a case on someone else; no one did. But there is no way to know whether that will occur until it does or does not before the lynch.


muffin, what bothers me the most about your posts recently is that you claim my conviction about SSK was unjustified, and yet you are responding to me with an equal level of conviction. Everything I have said is just more evidence for you that I am scum, regardless of how plausible or reasonable or legitimate any other explanation is. I could be saying the exact opposite of what I am, and your responses would be just as vehement and just as irrational and just as convinced that I am scum. It makes no sense. You are not actually reading my posts; you are assuming that I am lying and I am scum and then twisting my words into something that is consistent with that. No defense of mine will ever be adequate for you. So lynch me, fine.

But I urge the other players not to let muffin -- or anyone, not even themselves -- get away with starting on square 1 tomorrow. Where is orc? Why is mollie not even being considered a suspect, even after I made the most thorough case against her that anyone has made against anyone in this game? Why are my posts being ignored almost completely? Why would the town players NOT want to have a reads list from a shrinking pool of suspects that are in a position, with my premature lynch, to start tomorrow with a blank slate because they have not been forced to commit to reading any other players or taking positions or actually looking at anyone besides the designated lynch for the day? This is just bad town play.

i'm not going to get into discussions with you about your posting patterns, or what scum motivation there is in increasing activity, or why you'd be active instead of prod dodging after putting a bus vote down on mafiassk. it's all ridiculously stupid and none of your defenses here look remotely town. i'm also not interested in arguing about whether mafiassk might not have been lynched yesterday; you're wrong here and i don't give two shits about anything you say because you clearly can't read game states

you did point to your posting patterns and claim you're town because of it (or at least said you're not scum for it because why would you do it as scum?) <- so yes, it looks like you were laying the groundwork for this defense because not only were you conscious of it, but you are trying to use it as a reason for being town

i'm not reading your responses as town because i see no town motivation in your responses here.

your conviction about mafiassk being "obviously scum" was unnatural given your reasoning (key point here being your reasoning and your actions re:kaze). nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise. all your responses to this have been along the lines of, "he was scum so nuh uh". but if you were so convinced that mafiassk was very obviously scum, the unvote and move to kaze (who you've expressed no similar opinion about) is even stranger.

also don't really agree with anything you've said about mollie - but hey, if you think your points are so good and the case is the greatest case to happen in this game, why aren't you claiming mollie is "VERY OBVIOUSLY SCUM"?

HAI AEGOR I SHOT DOWN YOUR SHITTY LITTLE CASE ON ME ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THAT

I already did, mollie. I believe that I have responded to every single one of your posts. If I missed something, feel free to repost your question/response.

muffin, your own posts are ridiculously stupid. You can say I am wrong as much as you want, but it is simply not true, as I have explained time and time again. I did not lay groundwork for my defense; I simply explained posts I made. None of that would have been mentioned had you not attacked them in the first place. Sorry that I actually pay attention to what I write and how I act in every game regardless of alignment.

I am done with this game, save for addressing mollie's alleged shooting down of my shitty case. Please just lynch me and give me more time to play my other games, since no one seems interested in any productive dialog or actually playing this game in any sort of comprehensive way.

explain your case. cos I shot it down when I addressed gooner ohhhh oh looky there but you wanna ignore that yeah? he was parroting you so you could just I dunno address the points I made to him since it was YOUR case.

would you like for me to repost it? it is only like a couple of pages back

Yes.

For those wondering, my case against mollie is in post 2467.

1) My standards for activity involve something other than active lurking. When I examine your scumhunting throughout this game, I see nothing.
2) Your voting record is terrible. I explained this in detail in my own post.
3) You did not bus retardedly on Day 1. You stated intent to hammer but did not for quite some time. That is not a dumb bus at all. That is a great bus because it is anticipated but you have given yourself time in case the wagon weakened. That did not happen, so bussing was safe. You stated your intent to hammer on Feb. 5th but did not actually vote until Feb. 8th. And if you do not bus, then your behavior on Day 3 makes perfect sense: reluctant to bus SSK, you direct attention to mastin, and never actually bussed SSK.

1. I wasn't active lurking.
2. how is my voting record terrible when I am pretty sure I have voted the same people as you except for ssk.
3. bussing a scum partner on d1 and not giving them a chance to claim is pretty retarded bussing IMO. I am not retarded.
4. mebbe you missed the part where ssk and I cannot exist on a scumteam. I was scumreading mastina at the time and when I got to the thread ssk was already hammered. mastina looked town for his defense of ssk even if ssk did not flip scum.

your whole dumb case can be pinpointed to omg mollie did not vote ssk so she must be scum! <--- try again

continue to flail aegor

Yeah, I think I've seen enough.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aegor

If today ends up being a choice between Aegor and I (which seems to be the direction we're going), then it should be obvious where I stand. I know I'm Town and I've wanted Aegor dead since Day 1.

In post 2625, Aegor wrote:Until today, no one articulated any real suspicion of me anyway.

I think you're forgetting someone.

In post 2571, Gooner wrote:I don't see why so many people are townreading mollie and Kaze is definitely at the top of my list if there are 5 scum.

And if we assume that there are four Scum, is Kaze no longer at the top of your list?

In post 2614, Aegor wrote:

@Skull:

I offer you my sincere apology for the language I used in a particular post on Day 1 (and language in any subsequent posts that was offensive). I should have guarded my tongue and treated you with the respect that every human being deserves. My behavior was unjustifiable. I hope that you can forgive me eventually.

I'll think about it.

OH!!! AND THERE IS THE NKA!!!

lets see am I going to nk the the hydra where 1 head has decimated my entire team on this site like oh I dunno 3 or 4 times and when I say my entire team I MEAN MY FUCKING ENTIRE TEAM.

or lets go with the second head whom I have been playing mafia with for a number of years has gmed countless scum-me games and can read me like an open book?

I dunno this is hard!!!!

but mebbe I nked varsoon cos I feeeered him more.

I am............free.

BTW Gooner is confirmed town.

mollie and kaze need to be lynched

mastin should probably be lynched as well. Or vigged.

wait nvm L-1. Still, everything applies.

In post 2636, Aegor wrote:VOTE: Aegor

In post 2637, Aegor wrote:I am............free.

In post 2640, Aegor wrote:wait nvm L-1. Still, everything applies.

Wow.

I bet this took you all of five seconds to think up. Good job.

Yes. I am scum. So someone hammer. As I said, I am done with this game. I have contributed (or not, depending on your point of view) all I can. I am completely spent and want to die. Clearly this is the consensus, so it should not be difficult.

Wait, Kaze, you are not voting me.

After you think you caught me in a pathetic scum ploy, your next move should be obvious. . Do it. DOOOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIT.

See you later.

and nobody shed a single tear

if aegor flips town, i'm going to treat all his suspects like ICs just to piss him off in the dead thread. anyone who self-votes (or self-hammers, regardless of whether it was a failed attempt) as town is fucking disgusting

Gooner is confirmed town.

And keep all my suspects alive. I really do not care at all.

Right, so, there's another scum alive. If there wasn't, Aegor self-hammering (well, not, but thinking so) and claiming scum would be playing against his wincon. It's one thing to think you're in a no-win scenario; it's another to give up entirely and not fight back. I refuse to believe a scum-Aegor would do so, so he has to have a scumbuddy alive.

Also, because he cut discussion short, it's likely someone who's under suspicion, but not one of our top candidates.