Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Clemency]

got like 10 pages left hold on
60% of what ive read so far is shoshin and fumuki agreeing at eachother

[Clemency]

so far eyes would be my prime lynch candidate

[Clemency]

pops town titus town

[Clemency]

the rest are up for debate

[popsofctown]

I replaced in knowing I hate your slot and being excited to lynch it, didn't find out more about this egix guy until I iso'ed him just now. He's the second scummiest slot in the game though. Largely by PoE.
It makes me paranoid how difficult you seem to be to lynch though.
I'm pretty happy with growlithe and shosho being the leading wagons for today, it's miles better quality lynching than D1.

This is a strange way of putting it... You iso'ed egix, and you think he's the second scummiest slot but because of PoE?

Maybe he's the only one I don't find charismatic.

I find most players in this game charismatic and they say a lot of mafia fallaciously centers around charisma. Which is part of why I am very worried Shoshin is gonna turn out to be the one that got away this game. Logically, not scumhunting at key times is alignment indicative. But on the emotional component her being boring early on can be negated by her being friendlier later on. But a scumtell ledger is a ledger, not the people who did or didn't grow out of their bad high school phase where they constantly told people to go sit away for the thread for 24 hours and come back when they were willing to desultorily cosign all of her beliefs.

I am ok with massclaim if everyone else is into it.

This has been drunkpops.

[Clemency]

how many votes is egix on?

[Iconeum]

I think both Shoshin and Egix were L-2 (ish)

[Clemency]

id prefer egix lynch over shoshin

[Iconeum]

I don't wanna lynch shoshin but I don't see a spectacular case on egix either

[Iconeum]

1. Eyes without a face
2. Creature
3. Egix96
6. Clemency northsidegal CultOfAthena
7. Emperor flippyNips
8. Titus Celica Miss Kobayashi Maru
10. Iconeum Fumuki Buki Skellen
11. Shoshin
12. popsofctown brassherald RadiantCowbells

There's 3 scum in this list and if we don't set up the correct lynches for consecutive days, this will not end well. We need more information so that we can focus our attention to the right players.

I feel scum is more likely to be in (Titus, pops, clem, egix, eyes).
Will do a readback to see how the mislynches happened.

[Iconeum]

If somehow RC is town, then 1. he's bad and 2. my scumread reverts to Eyes. But that's unlikely.

VOTE: TheWizard

Lining up lynches is a scum tell. Also this is strike two. I gave you leeway the first time because I thought you were townie earlier, but this one I can't just chalk up and let go.

UNVOTE:

Just in case Wiz' self vote isn't hammer

Eyes, what reason did you have to try and 'unhammer'?

[Titus]

so far eyes would be my prime lynch candidate

pops town titus town

Dafaq? Maybe listen to town and not scum.

[Titus]

Titus why are you voting Shoshin? Just because you guys don't think alike? I read the 1v1 between you, and you were looking to work with Shoshin. That vote (and tunnel now) seems to come more from frustration then actual scumread?

I don't think the amount of stupidly wrong statements from that slot helps town anymore. The amount of protection Shosin has is insane. This town has had a toxin in it since day 1 steering the group wrong.

Those factors mean look at the active people or who is egging them on, particularly if spewing non-sense.

[Titus]

I don't wanna lynch shoshin but I don't see a spectacular case on egix either

There's a slight chance it's T v T but how else do we explain the three day failure rate or scum letting lynchbait get lynched over Shosin if Shosin is town?

[Iconeum]

The problem I have is that I do have meta-game experience with Jungle (Shoshin) and this is straight up townplay

I've been trying to find the odd votes on both lynches and eyes doesn't look good on D1 wagon.

I will repeat this, I think best play is to out all PR, and all clears available. Any clear slots now under fire are released, and town can scumhunt in a more guided direction with the downside that our PR's are gonna get shot back to back. The ONLY scenario where it's probably not worth it is cop having NO clears right now.

[Iconeum]

Also Clemency has a very bad intro imo, I'll look into that tomorrow.

Plenty of time and no need for this day to end quickly

[Titus]

The problem I have is that I do have meta-game experience with Jungle (Shoshin) and this is straight up townplay

I've been trying to find the odd votes on both lynches and eyes doesn't look good on D1 wagon.

I will repeat this, I think best play is to out all PR, and all clears available. Any clear slots now under fire are released, and town can scumhunt in a more guided direction with the downside that our PR's are gonna get shot back to back. The ONLY scenario where it's probably not worth it is cop having NO clears right now.

I agree with this.

[Titus]

Well the mechanics not the lynch analysis. Meta for alignment is usually crap.

[Iconeum]

Will wait for the others to hop in and share opinions on claiming.
If we can find players willing to massclaim, Shoshin/eyes/Clem are a good place to start the popcorn

[Shoshin]

I don't wanna lynch shoshin but I don't see a spectacular case on egix either

I can make the case if you need one.

[Shoshin]

id prefer egix lynch over shoshin

This is extremely towny from Clemency.

[Shoshin]

There's a slight chance it's T v T but how else do we explain the three day failure rate or scum letting lynchbait get lynched over Shosin if Shosin is town?

Let's clarify a few things.

1. There's been two mislynches, not three.

2. RC led a mislynch on D1, not me. I had nothing to do with that failure.

3. I strongly pushed for a lynch on scum Egix yesterday.

4. Townies chose to lynch Worm over me. Remember, I was at L-1 with Emperor declaring intent to hammer. The only reason I survived is because GIF (confirmed town) & Fumuki (obvtown) switched voted to Worm. Scum didn't let Worm get lynched over me, townies forced that to happen.

The biggest issue I have with Titus is that she seems to assume scum control everything that happens when that isn't true. Towns often mislynch with no influence from scum, or against the lynch that scum are pushing, and that's what happened in this game.

[popsofctown]

You do become kind of worthless in the middle of Undertale mafia. At the beginning of it you were more protown then you have been this game, as scum. It's hard to put you above null with that pattern but I get why Buki doubted himself.
You asked someone if they were an alt, while lying in a different game about being an alt. Isn't that hypocritical?
Do you want to know what my main account is

[Shoshin]

Icon, I'd like your help to sort out Titus.

According to Titus, there's two possible explanations for the mislynch on Worm: (1) I'm scum who couldn't be lynched because I had the help of two teammates, or (2) I'm town & scum were unsuccessful in their attempts to lynch me over Worm.

The former means that scum have been actively manipulating town into mislynching, whereas the latter means that town acted contrary to scum's manipulation but still against town's interests. Both possibilities happen all the time. There's games where scum control everything, and there's games where town lose the game for themselves with no active effort on scum's part.

Titus defaults to explanation (1). But she never explains why.

I've pointed out a few times why this narrative directly conflicts with the evidence. In short, I survived yesterday because GIF & you (townies) switched votes from me to Worm before I could be hammered by Emperor with only a couple hours left until deadline. If I'm receiving protection, it's from townies, not scum.

Why isn't this piece of evidence changing how Titus views the game? Why ignore this evidence to keep pushing the narrative in (1)? This is what I don't understand. Am I missing something about Titus?

[Shoshin]

Pops, I'd like to know your thoughts on my alignment in this game, as well as the alignment of Egix & Titus. I don't care for your self-righteous comments about how I approach games on alt accounts.