Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[DonCorleone]

Just one thing that bothers me: if the scumteam is Pooky/D&D, and they NK'd Chemist because they expected Pooky to be eliminated Day 2, then why did D&D hard defend Pooky on Day 2?

DC do you have any theories? this is like the one thing that I wanna clear up before I hammer Pooky

Yeah I’m mulling this over

I think that the answer is something like, let’s say DnD just gets on the bus train. Okay cool, pooky flips scum D2, klick probably does N2? And then we elim wug

Who realistically goes next there? I kind of think it’s DnD, probably he 1v1s me in 3p arguing that I defended pooky on D1. But like, idk man, that seems like a fairly bad lylo

I sort of think the plan was “oh, scum would never put themselves in a situation where they’re guaranteed to lose a member!” and to then ride that out in the lylo

[DonCorleone]

Like I don’t think we were meant to get to “maybe they’re just partners” at this point and there’s potentially a lot of wifom in the play

[DonCorleone]

I think it would be very, very odd for DnD!town to enter today going “hmm, yes, DC is pretty much locktown to me also, the person who switched off what I know KNOW to be scum when I had the chance, and who was pretty entirely responsible for their not dying on D1”

Does that not feel like a really weird thought process for town to have here? And I think them picking you as a partner for pooky vs wug was weird too, if they were saying I was town?

[DonCorleone]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

We were pretty surprised at the flip, and I'm impressed by Pooky's scum versatility.

Pretty sure DonCorleone is town.

-Dumbass

Donc is locktown

Aldus and Wug, one is the last townie the other is DND scumpartner.

I know you both wanted me dead yesterday _ pls give me a chance today > if you don’t we lose as town right away.

I am here to answer any questions you might have.

This is so fuckin weird man

Like why would you enter day “pretty sure I’m town” and then not even be sceptical of that when the person you should /know to be scum/ says the same thing?

[DonCorleone]

I'll discuss with Dumber and see if we can evaluate for the partner [of which there's only two options: Wug and Aldu] with another re-read

This really feels like a pocket, much more than I feel like wug has been trying to do that

And tbh if wug is scum I just don’t feel it at this point

She just feels town now

[Alduskkel]

@aldus, how paranoid should I be about a porky/wug team here?

Maybe somewhat, but pooky/wug's early interactions looked like pooky going "oooh, easy miselimination on wug."

I think it would be very, very odd for DnD!town to enter today going “hmm, yes, DC is pretty much locktown to me also, the person who switched off what I know KNOW to be scum when I had the chance, and who was pretty entirely responsible for their not dying on D1”

Does that not feel like a really weird thought process for town to have here? And I think them picking you as a partner for pooky vs wug was weird too, if they were saying I was town?

Hmm, yeah, I see what you're saying.

I think the thing about this game is: no matter what the scumteam is, they HAD to have done something weird. So any possible answers left are going to be somewhat unintuitive.

Anyway, I've been waiting weeks for this, SO LET'S DO THIS

VOTE: Pooky

BOOM

[Datisi]

Vote count 3.final

with 5 votes in play, it took 3 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-07-25 12:30:00).

execution

PookyTheMagicalBear [3]:

Dumb and Dumber, DonCorleone, Alduskkel

Dumb and Dumber [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

not voting [1]:

Wug

flip

PookyTheMagicalBear

has been executed Day 3.

He was a...

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

The sun sets, it is now Night 3. Sunrise in

(expired on 2020-07-24 01:25:00)

.

flavour

mod notes

• fucc doing flips on the phone

[Datisi]

Public reminder that voting for fast night is an option.

[Datisi]

Vote count 4.00

with 3 votes in play, it takes 2 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2020-07-31 01:30:00).

flip

DonCorleone

has been killed Night 3.

They were a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

The sun rises, it is now Day 4.

execution

not voting [3]:

Alduskkel, Dumb and Dumber, Wug

flavour

mod notes

• dawn of the final day.

[Wug]

VOTE: d&d

no point waiting do to what i’m going to do anyway

[Alduskkel]

Okay well I was making a giant post just to make 100% sure that Wug was convinced that D&D is scum but if that's not necessary then I'm not gonna bother finishing it lol. I'll leave the partially completed post under a spoiler if you like.

VOTE: Dumb and Dumber

Spoiler:

Okay, I think the last scum is D&D. Here's why I think Wug is town/D&D is scum.

SS > Aldus > Wug > Pooky is my current preferred order

Ok, sorry Klick, I understand your inactivity point but I have to trust my read on your play D1D2 and what I see in your play is careful opportunism, agenda, and narrative pushing.

The solve is almost definitely D&D/Pooky if this is wrong, but you lot just gotta work off the foundations we've set today to check the plausible associations of each.

Tough game!

VOTE: Klick

I think it would be very, very odd for DnD!town to enter today going “hmm, yes, DC is pretty much locktown to me also, the person who switched off what I know KNOW to be scum when I had the chance, and who was pretty entirely responsible for their not dying on D1”

Does that not feel like a really weird thought process for town to have here? And I think them picking you as a partner for pooky vs wug was weird too, if they were saying I was town?

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

We were pretty surprised at the flip, and I'm impressed by Pooky's scum versatility.

Pretty sure DonCorleone is town.

-Dumbass

Donc is locktown

Aldus and Wug, one is the last townie the other is DND scumpartner.

I know you both wanted me dead yesterday _ pls give me a chance today > if you don’t we lose as town right away.

I am here to answer any questions you might have.

This is so fuckin weird man

Like why would you enter day “pretty sure I’m town” and then not even be sceptical of that when the person you should /know to be scum/ says the same thing?

I'll discuss with Dumber and see if we can evaluate for the partner [of which there's only two options: Wug and Aldu] with another re-read

This really feels like a pocket, much more than I feel like wug has been trying to do that

And tbh if wug is scum I just don’t feel it at this point

She just feels town now

Some last thoughts from our nightkilled townies. Notice any pattern? That's right, they all had Sleeper/D&D as their top suspect.






As early as page 9 Tuxedo Mask (Wug's predecessor) was using meta evidence to argue that Pooky was scum. Maintains this read all the way until being replaced. A coalition with Pooky on it reached 3/5 votes and TM didn't budge on his stance.

I'm reading you as town why would I fight you

So that I can read YOU!

as town

Why does Sleeper feel the need to specify that he wants to read Pooky as town?

Remember when I said TM was scumreading Pooky when a coalition with Pooky was at 3/5 votes? One of those votes was Sleeper's:

Vote count 1.13

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-07-07 13:00:00)

coalition

PookyTheMagicalBear [5]:

Deimos27, SleeperSoul, DonCorleone, PookyTheMagicalBear, votato

votato [5]:

votato, PookyTheMagicalBear, DonCorleone, Deimos27, SleeperSoul

SleeperSoul [5]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Deimos27, DonCorleone, SleeperSoul, votato

Tuxedo Mask [5]:

Deimos27, Alduskkel, Clover Ebi, SleeperSoul, Tuxedo Mask

DonCorleone [5]:

DonCorleone, SleeperSoul, Clover Ebi, PookyTheMagicalBear, Deimos27

DkKoba [5]:

Tuxedo Mask, votato, DkKoba, Clover Ebi, Alduskkel

Deimos27 [4]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, votato, DonCorleone, SleeperSoul

Alduskkel [3]:

Alduskkel, votato, SleeperSoul

Clover Ebi [0]:

lynch

SleeperSoul (1):

Deimos27

Tuxedo Mask (1):

DonCorleone

PookyTheMagicalBear (1):

DkKoba

not voting (6):

Alduskkel, votato, Clover Ebi, SleeperSoul, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tuxedo Mask

So he was scum in the game you played? What he do that constituted "telling" you his alignment?

he's a stream of consciousness poster who is also a noob, he kind of just blurts out whatever he's thinking and most noob scum tend to be more lurky - I'd expect his post count to be lower if he was scum but the fact that he's just randomly spamming whatever random thoughts pop into his head at this point feels to me to be TI.

if Sleepersoul was scum this is what he would look like:

Pooky trying to tell us how Sleeper would look as scum.

I'm gonna take myself out of my coalition just to make sure things don't get ahead of me like last game.

HURT: SleeperSoul

Or is that not gonna help? I still feel the sting of the days of last game ending sooner than I wanted.

I'm not sure how I feel about Koba. You guys seem a lot more certain lol

Taking himself out of the coalition when there's already one confirmed scum in the coalition is a safe play for scum!Sleeper. Although, it's not long before he goes back to voting for the same coalition so idk. Maybe they talked about something in the scum PT.

again you missed my question ((

I'm asking you to analyze his push.

and to make a read on me.

sorry im a soul reader

pookys soul is so loud that no analysis is really needed

can't do one now or probably tonight, sorry

Of course scum don't want to explain their townread on their scumpartner. Sleeper only explains later after Koba pressures him about it.

Koba and Pooky have their fight. Sleeper changes his Pooky townread to scumread, but goes back to a townread once Koba starts townreading Pooky. I don't think this trajectory was natural, it reads more like a preparation to potentially bus and then backing out once Pooky is taking less heat.

GG. Many thanks to Pooky! A+ scumpartner

[Datisi]

Vote count 4.final

with 3 votes in play, it took 2 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2020-07-31 01:30:00).

execution

Dumb and Dumber [2]:

Wug, Alduskkel

not voting [1]:

Dumb and Dumber

flip

Dumb and Dumber

have been executed Day 4.

They were a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Endgame incoming.

flavour

mod notes

• nevermind.

[Datisi]

mafia victory!

Wug

,

Vanilla Townie

, is killed in the Endgame.

Alduskkel

,

Mafia Goon

, survives and wins.

Congratulations to

Alduskkel

and

PookyTheMagicalBear

(

Mafia Goons

) for winning

Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD

!

flavour

[Datisi]

thread links:

main ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83423
mod ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83424
scum ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83425
dead ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83426
dkkoba ~ https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83448

i guess events will be necessary too:

day1 ~

Clover Ebi

night1 ~

Chemist1422

day2 ~

Klick

night2 ~

Deimos27

day3 ~

PookyTheMagicalBear

night3 ~

DonCorleone

day4 ~

Dumb and Dumber

[Datisi]

Thank you everyone for playing, I hope the game was as fun to play as it was to moderate. Many thanks to the replacements, and a huge shout-out to my backup mod GeorgeBailey for being willing to cover for me and for donating the flavour.

All the PTs are public, except for the scum PT, which will be released in ~48 hours, or sooner if they tell me whether they want to redact anything.

The thread is now unlocked for post-game discussion.

[GeorgeBailey]

What a rollercoaster of emotions

[Wug]

oops

[Klick]

Holy shit. Well played Aldus. You played this incredibly well and I don't think a single person thought you were scum after D1.

PEdit: GeorgeBailey

[DonCorleone]

DND HOW DID YOU NOT SAY YES TO FAST NIGHT???

[DonCorleone]

Super good game, I played terribly

[Alduskkel]

quickvoting in lylo isn't really advised, although i have no idea if D&D could have possibly saved that situation

day 1 was easily the hardest, pooky almost didn't get on the coalition and then almost got eliminated
after dodging those bullets the game was much easier afterward

pedit: thanks klick! i kinda got a bit lucky though because there was never going to be an elimination off coalition before scum flipped on coalition. if eliminating off coalition had been on the table, then i don't know if i'd have lived as long

[Dumb and Dumber]

The last day was really fucking hard and I needed a bit of a break overnight lol

Good game aldu, pooky. I do think I would have voted wug in this lylo; Aldu I'm really impressed

Sorry Klick for utterly screwing up the game via voting you out

Happy that I was right on the DC townread tho

- Dumber

[DonCorleone]

I figured out why I went wrong on aldus, incidentally: I thought scum had to have been on the koba!wagon D1 for opportunism reasons, I didn’t think my push was good enough for it to be all town who followed me on. I also thought the posts he made like twice about being frustrated he had no clout were super towny, but I guess I was just totally wrong on those. I also confbiased on DnD scum but aldus hammered pooky before I could make the post where I was going “so DnD would do this as town because X, Y, Z, but he’d do it as scum because... hmm, wait, I had something for this”. Guess this is yet another instructive lesson in “if scum have played well, hammer the towniest looking person in 3p lylo”

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't need to make any redactions

great game everyone it was tons of fun playing with you all

[Dumb and Dumber]

Really good job aldu

- Dumber