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If I were scum, DnD wouldn’t have ever died here.
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
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Like I get what you’re getting at, Gamma, but you’re barking up the wrong tree
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
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Bull shit. There was already 6 on it before your vote and I don’t recall you ever pushing them.
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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So? What does that mean for anything? Three votes happened on the same page.
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
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Without waiting for a claim, without giving intent
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
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Gamma, if you’re town, you’re just wrong.
Don’t argue at me.
Like, nothing you say towards me in that manner matters at all because I know I’m not red.
Don’t argue at me.
Like, nothing you say towards me in that manner matters at all because I know I’m not red.
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
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Yeah, that’s what I figured.In post 2619, Flavor Leaf wrote:Off chance Tris is town, best to bring her into the medium.
Plus, i can just roleblock Gamma, and if they’re the scum team, it’s gg.
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“comfortable”? but Pooky point, I can see that part of it.In post 2620, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well there’s the fact he didn’t seem to expect Poiky to die, that could be faked but I also think between the two messages he’s demonstrated a solid aura of being comfortable, which I think scum wouldn’t feel rnIn post 2598, Kaname Date wrote:could you explain this in more depth? why can't scum make that crier message?In post 2595, Gamma Emerald wrote:jjh is locktown for me. I reread that day 2 start message during the time my gambit was happening and figured he was the one who sent it, and I town locked him from that point on
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Scum usually don’t put buddies at the top of their list. Amy dead town and 2/3 of my top townreads at the top. Did their list change after they were hammered though? Rule of the 3 generally refers to scum when they’re on their way down.In post 2623, Gamma Emerald wrote:This is where I’m seeing a rule of three against FlavorIn post 394, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:reads are something like:
{haya}
{ampharos, kaname}
{everyone else}
{gamma, FL, sailor girls}
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As for the other things, one is very early in tris’ ISO, and the other is a behavioral pattern, I could cite specific posts but I think it’s better to combined ISO tris and D&D, they both seemed averse to voting Flavor D1, D&D especially
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Scum don’t usually change their reads because of what a buddy says, so yeah.In post 2624, Gamma Emerald wrote:Idk about conftown but it does point to KD being townIn post 2606, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:630 confitowns KD.In post 630, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:you know, I think I have to take a step back a bit on my ampharos read as well. I thought her presence in the beginning of the game was strong and initially townread her for that, but it’s dropped off a lot since then so she’s probably now close to null for me.In post 570, Kaname Date wrote:ugh. i'm gonna be light SRing Ampharos for the whole game, partly in reaction to the townreads she's accruing. what makes this difficult is she's working with a different site culture than what i'm used to. and her play looks high-level, which isn't AI but does always succeed in pressing the paranoia button.
i agree with her takes, i think. to echo her thoughts on Flavor Leaf, i need to see her really push something.
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Based on role claims, it’s unlikely that both neighbourizing roles are scum and Tris sr you because based on her role, yours is suspect, so mechanically. a Tris/FL team makes 0 sense, because in the event of a Tris scumflip, two scum neighbourizer type roles are highly unlikely.In post 2630, Flavor Leaf wrote:Gamma, if you’re town, you’re just wrong.
Don’t argue at me.
Like, nothing you say towards me in that manner matters at all because I know I’m not red.
Tris responded very similar to me as scum!Rando did in Labrynth, except for her push on you and her nixing my KD neighbourize suggestion but she insisted she tr Amy while respecting my slight paranoia on her but seemed quite fine with backing me on my Gamma suspicions. Her response to my Gamma read made me feel kind of pocketed similar with Rando.
However without the Amy flip and Hya track, she would have 100% had me pocketed but if her “I do” thing was on the level, I think I should have gotten confirmation of it by now. I got confirmation of my Gamma TA, so why not that?
Don’t know if any of this is useful but it obviously will if she flips scum.
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This very likely points to Tris and FL not buddies, especially if Tris flips scum.In post 292, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:initial thoughts:
- townlean on Hayasaka, her panic over possibly-gladiating Kaname sounds genuine
- agree with Cakes on not liking pooky's vote on prune after the joke had, like, already ended
- I like kaname's vote/opinion on dr. pepper; townlean on kaname as well.
- fish fluffposting is bad
- Flavor Leaf's scumread on tris is ??? this makes no sense:
Spoiler: @FL
It feels like FL is like weirdly positioning himself around both ampharos and tris with 120/121
- am on board with gamma wagon
I made it to page 9, have to run unfortunately. More later!
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More evidence of KD!town. Whatever your alignment Gamma, DnD is trying really hard to make you look like a buddy.In post 347, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I'll pass and I think Daenerys would tooBecause it feels more like backpedaling due to pressure rather then a genuine reassessmentIn post 297, Kaname Date wrote:290
why is the progression bad? thinking a player is a newbie and realizing they really are not is often going to change a read considerably.
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FL definitely not a DnD buddy.In post 406, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I legit don't know what you're asking me about. They're in the same tier because it's not like one in particular is higher over another. We were already voting Gamma, so the vote stays on Gamma. If we feel like our vote is no longer useful there or we get a stronger read on someone else, then we'll move it to someone else who's in our scumreads.Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, but it’s almost coming across like tactical positioning, almost to act like you have some sort of pressure somewhere to make it seem like you’re doing something.In post 399, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:.... he is.... in my top tier.... of scumreads....
Gamma was a third scum read, Venus was your first. Why wasn’t your vote on Venus, or at least on me? You actively made the choice to go to Gamma over the other 2 higher for a reason.
"I feel like there's wolves in the people who are slightly trying to push me, but not pooky and not amph." Hmmmmmmmmmm wonder who else you could be talking about?Flavor Leaf wrote:Why are you so quick to jump to conclusions?In post 402, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:If you're scumreading me for questioning posts that are definitely questionable, then just come out and say it.
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I’m simply questioning what I would like to understand.
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@Gamma would you call this the rule of the five?In post 736, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:here is final readslist:
{Hayasaka}
{Kaname}
{everyone else}
{gamma, jjh, VMP, fish, FL, pooky}
I am totally aware that being wagoned might be contributing to me scumreading almost everyone on the wagon but I can’t figure out how to not let it affect my reads so /shrug
Again, I wanna point out that almost no one has given actual reasons for being on the wagon, with the exception of, I think VMP, gamma, and tris. No one has defended against the wagon. sorry but yall kinda fucked yourselves because I don’t even know how to figure out what people’s alignments are based on this wagon, sooooo good luck
I was in the process of writing up a really long reply to VMP last night, but the gist of it is that I feel like they’ve dodged every question I’ve tried to ask them by either asking me why I asked it, giving a patronizing non-answer, etc; have picked apart our posts word by word to find things to shade us for; and in general I feel like have been pretty condescending towards us. (I guess the last thing isn’t a reason to scumread them, I just don’t like it and that influences my feelings about their slot.) I’m also somewhat suspicious of them and Gamma together, because Gamma said something about fish voting gamma that I had already said earlier, and VMP tossed an easy townread at Gamma but it didn’t change anything about their read on us. (This is why I asked that question about whether or not we were in their POE.)
jjh has very little content in recent days other than saying we’re scum (and no reasons for it)
pooky seems to be also dodging questions/content and has been shitposting; when I asked him for reads, he flat-out ignored me; and just seems content to just skate by without doing anything substantive
FL hammer was bad, he previously had said that our slot is likely green and a miselim
I liked gamma’s more recent posting a bit better but he basically hasn’t done anything except complain about his vote recently and I didn’t like the vote to begin with
fish I can’t quite put my finger on, I think it bothers me that he supposedly thinks my attempts to engage with him were scum-motivated, but like, unless he thinks Gamma and I are scum together, if I were scum surely I’d want him on the gamma wagon?
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In post 2554, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
Day commute? Don’t you mean night? because if you can self-target at night I would but a day commute would do what? prevent someone from voting? Well if we fade Tris, then Gamma is the only logical option if it actually happens during the day.
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I have to perform the action during the day, the targets commutes that night. It has something like a loud modifier too so it will be confirmed to everyone.
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In post 2640, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 2554, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
Day commute? Don’t you mean night? because if you can self-target at night I would but a day commute would do what? prevent someone from voting? Well if we fade Tris, then Gamma is the only logical option if it actually happens during the day.
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I have to perform the action during the day, the targets commutes that night. It has something like a loud modifier too so it will be confirmed to everyone.
Well then if possible you should probably either self-target today or target someone who you tr without NAs tonight.
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No not yet because no one he has mediumed has said anything that can be validated by anyone still living in the playerlist, possibly because no one who has been medumed so far has had much familiarity with much of the playerlist. Like Hya for example mentioned “cooldodge” but if FL say hypothetically posted that in the thread and Hya was dead, saying Hya says “cooldodge” to VMP. that would obviously be a confirmation.In post 2643, BrightEyedFish wrote:Have we confirmed the existence of the medium?
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In post 2611, Kaname Date wrote:Scum
D&D: The Devil - upright
- 1 shot action negator/mailman
- can PM a message to another player through the mod
- bringing negative tendencies to light, attachment
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Pooky: The Magician - upright
- ascetic innocent child Arcana cop
- power, focus, significant ability
DrPepper: Strength - reversed
- vengeful/learns number of players that visit them at night
- self-doubt, inner strength, raw emotional reaction
Not Mafia: Justice - upright
- whatever the hell the first part means
- passive [balance] vote when being voted while not voting another player
- justice, fairness, an equal measured response
Ampharos: The Lovers - reversed
- neighbour with tris
- even night targeted redirector
- hated or loved based on action of target
- self-love, disharmony, strained relationships
???
tris: The Lovers - upright
- neighbourizer/conditional BP with neighbours
- choices, unity of two forces
VMP: The Chariot - reversed
- traffic analyst/coroner
- powerlessness, lack of direction
Flavor Leaf: The Fool - reversed?
- has two votes/medium
- one roleblocks, the other brings the player he is voting into his medium PT during the day
- at night deaths automatically go to his PT
- maybe also a jester
- i'm at a loss regarding the tarot meaning
jjh: High Priestess - upright
- crier/targets Arcana and role hits corresponding player
- subconsciousness (we sleep at night?), intuition, divine wisdom
Hayasaka: The Emperor - reversed
- gladiator/conditional tracker
- domination, asserting control
Gamma: The Devil - reversed
- odd-night bus drive
- freedom from limitations, detachment
Fish: Unclaimed/Tower? - reversed?
- non-consecutive roleblocker
- 1-shot day commuter
- resisting change, delaying disaster
other notes:
the Devil and the Lovers counterpart each other, both representing a relationship between two people and visually echoing each other. it makes sense they're the only Arcana with multiple holders. anyone with more knowledge than me might be able to elaborate on this.
this isn't useful, but i went through the trouble so i'm going to post it for interest's sakem i was hoping something about claims could be discovered but while thingsfit, a lot of it is a fairly loose interpretation from me.
but it's enough i'm unwilling to claim my own arcana today.
Good post, but my high priestess is reversed.
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In post 2646, jjh927 wrote: Fish: Unclaimed/Tower? - reversed?
- non-consecutive roleblocker
- 1-shot day commuter
- resisting change, delaying disaster
Tower is correct.
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