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I will have time to build the Pooky case tomorrow but I will be pissed if I put a bunch of time into it and then you go "lol doesn't matter im mason" because my free time is very limited these days
Pooky - you were in Legends of Hidden Temple, you know that I can back up a case when I promise one. You also know that it takes me a lot of time to put them together, the Agar one took me forever too.

Prism - can you specifically tell me what you think of BM's posting today? I think his excuse that he doesn't want to deal with ""spam and rage posting"" is so fake - this is one of the chillest games I've played in a long time.

In post 2608, Prism wrote:Spiffeh, Cakez, you were both interested in bork and wanted more from him.

Do you feel that he failed to deliver with his latest posts? If so, was there anything wrong with them?

meh? they felt like his other posts
I'm not seeing that passion from him it doesn't seem like he wants to interact with anybody

like if I am this wrong on my read then I'd rather invest that time into digging into other reads because obviously I need to reevaluate

In post 2623, Titus wrote:A chainsaw is when someone attacks the attacker of someone else.

For example, Adam attacks Brian. Charlie then attacks Adam usually for his attack on Brian. That's a chainsaw.

Sometimes a chainsaw is from scum defending a partner but not always. It can and commonly is town defending town.

Catching up now.

A chainsaw defense is where scum by attacking their attacker. Because otherwise, attacking someone who is attacking someone else is called Because any post that says 'this argument is crappy, what are you doing' is FUCKING PLAYING THE GAME.

This is "reasons for voting are scummy" except fucking serious. Which you realized midway through, because you FUCKING REALIZED THE SAME THING I SAID ABOVE.

In post 2588, Titus wrote:GreyICE is someone I should review. The willing to murder me and chainsaw defense was odd. mastina's play around me was odd. Scum's play around me as a whole was odd.

This is "I read my buddy's ISO and wow I look like shit after that flip."

In post 2622, MathBlade wrote:You can’t seriously be arguing looking outside of Titus after these posts.

Seriously Grey?

When you're right, you're right.

In post 2626, SirCakez wrote:like if I am this wrong on my read then I'd rather invest that time into digging into other reads because obviously I need to reevaluate

Cakez, get out of the tunnel and vote Titus with us.

If you are her scumbuddy, this earns you lots of towncred. Lots and lots of towncred. We promise.
If you're town, well, do you really think she's flipping town? She read Mastina's ISO and is like 'oh crap'

In post 2592, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 2586, Titus wrote:Cakez is not a scumread. It's a PoE if Pooky is town. The votes don't make sense unless one of them is scum. I strongly think it's Pooky.

Titus, what exactly do you mean by this line.

Which votes do not make sense unless one of me and Cake is scum?

I still want an answer to this.

also

die

VOTE: Titus

Pooky. Titus read Mastina's ISO to see how Mastina talked about her. She read scum's ISO to see how .

There's no meaning to be found, it's bad imitation of her usual VCA.

yea let's just kill titus

her soft defenses of Mastina do look pretty shit

In post 925, mastina wrote:

In post 767, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:spiff how do you feel about this teamsolve: Titus/

Mathblade/Cakeboi

/Borky

Well 2/4 aint bad!

mb bork/titus team? lolol

In post 2625, SirCakez wrote:I will have time to build the Pooky case tomorrow but I will be pissed if I put a bunch of time into it and then you go "lol doesn't matter im mason" because my free time is very limited these days
Pooky - you were in Legends of Hidden Temple, you know that I can back up a case when I promise one. You also know that it takes me a lot of time to put them together, the Agar one took me forever too.

Prism - can you specifically tell me what you think of BM's posting today? I think his excuse that he doesn't want to deal with ""spam and rage posting"" is so fake - this is one of the chillest games I've played in a long time.

I wasn't impressed and it was part of why I wanted to revisit him. I don't think they're particularly scummy, though, and from an outside perspective I felt a similar annoyance at you/Pooky, and B_M also had to deal with me/LLD.

In post 2625, SirCakez wrote:

In post 2608, Prism wrote:Spiffeh, Cakez, you were both interested in bork and wanted more from him.

Do you feel that he failed to deliver with his latest posts? If so, was there anything wrong with them?

meh? they felt like his other posts
I'm not seeing that passion from him it doesn't seem like he wants to interact with anybody

This is really lazy imo and not really engaging with the content of bork's posts or the assertions he's made. The only one I've seen people take issue with was bork's skepticism of the mastina wagon and how he didn't rigorously go after it like a dog; I think he very much acted in accordance with that read and that not doing so more doggedly is a result of time constraint.

Him not wanting to interact with anybody is an eh point to begin with imo-he has been less explicitly cooperative, but has been extremely quick to call BS indiscriminately-but even if it were true it's a big +town flag, not a +scum one.

In post 2632, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 925, mastina wrote:

In post 767, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:spiff how do you feel about this teamsolve: Titus/

Mathblade/Cakeboi

/Borky

Well 2/4 aint bad!

mb bork/titus team? lolol

Still maintain it’s possibly a case of Cakez + Titus if Titus is scum here.
It makes sense the way she was railing on Pooky then bailed when I proposed you as a mason.
If she really thought that was the right wagon she’d have looked at Cakez or Dunn or questioned her initial assumption and assumed a mass pile on of Mastina.

She’s just not logically sound here.

This also matches my theory Mastina wasn’t white knighting and was trying to Save Titus.

I really think a majority of the scum were wagoned on D1.

It’s going to be a matter of finding that third because it would likely be a deep wolf and not a DGB. Someone universally townread like a Spiffeh Bell or GreyICE or Prism. Scum weren’t defeatist and they were posting so a DGB scum doesn’t really make sense there but if we have Titus scum then we can circle back but I don’t think Titus scum bussed DGB here

I need to post less atm, so I'm going to step back for awhile, and I really want to hear from two players in particular: LLD and Tammy. While some independent thought is still happening atm, I don't like the amount of thread/conversational control I've had lately and I'm very much at a loss on several slots (Titus I go back and forth on but lean town, her reads though are truly awful imo)

The exception is that I am now very comfortable with my Grey vote. I'm going to leave him alone for a bit longer, partially because I want to see where this goes and partially to doublecheck, but there are other ways to make this happen even if I can't directly force a vote through: Namely, utilizing investigatives to apply mechanical pressure.

In post 2634, MathBlade wrote:Still maintain it’s possibly a case of Cakez + Titus if Titus is scum here.
It makes sense the way she was railing on Pooky then bailed when I proposed you as a mason.
If she really thought that was the right wagon she’d have looked at Cakez or Dunn or questioned her initial assumption and assumed a mass pile on of Mastina.

She’s just not logically sound here.

This also matches my theory Mastina wasn’t white knighting and was trying to Save Titus.

I really think a majority of the scum were wagoned on D1.

It’s going to be a matter of finding that third because it would likely be a deep wolf and not a DGB. Someone universally townread like a Spiffeh Bell or GreyICE or Prism. Scum weren’t defeatist and they were posting so a DGB scum doesn’t really make sense there but if we have Titus scum then we can circle back but I don’t think Titus scum bussed DGB here

1) There's confirmed 4 scum
2) Don't count out hero playing. One of the better scum performances I've seen was out of Slaxx when he lost both his buddies D1/N1 and went on to live to Day 4 as a solo mafia goon vs 9 townies with power roles, and give a pretty amazing showing of himself when he was getting POE yeeted (of the "well this is where I'd look for the final scum" type of effort posts). Some people rise to the occasion.

That being said, a day 1+day 2 scumlynch if pretty hard to lose from if it's not multiball. Even if they have 4. I'm feeling pretty good rn

Grey-I think there are a few things you could help answer, actually.

1) Why did your concern that mastina was spewing me red get no followup?
2) What do you make of this post from Titus, with 2588 in mind?

In post 1849, Titus wrote:mastina's play is a bit weird as either alignment. Why would she take a dive for me when we largely have the same skillset and I am worse mentally atm? No scum is worth sacrificing themselves to save me. It's a negative EV as either alignment, so I lean town on that.

3) What do you think of this post, which imo comes very out of left field:

The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280

It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.

In post 2637, Prism wrote:3) What do you think of this post, which imo comes very out of left field:

In post 1301, Titus wrote:

In post 1299, penguin_alien wrote:Afternoon Vote Count 1.08

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Battle Mage, GreyICE
Titus (4): sangres, Prism, SirCakez, MathBlade
SirCakez (4): mastina, Kitty Trauma Team, Dunnstral, Titus

Not voting (2): Tammy, borkjerfkin


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Oh wow. Just saw this. I doubt Prism and Cakez are scum together based off this VC. Probably Sangres, Cakez, (Tammy/bork), (Grey/quiet).

The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280

It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.

EBWOP, kind of important to include the actual post.

In post 2637, Prism wrote:Grey-I think there are a few things you could help answer, actually.

1) Why did your concern that mastina was spewing me red get no followup?
2) What do you make of this post from Titus, with 2588 in mind?

In post 1849, Titus wrote:mastina's play is a bit weird as either alignment. Why would she take a dive for me when we largely have the same skillset and I am worse mentally atm? No scum is worth sacrificing themselves to save me. It's a negative EV as either alignment, so I lean town on that.

3) What do you think of this post, which imo comes very out of left field:

The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280

It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.

1) What. English motherfucker.
2) WIFOM. Look it up in the Wiki
3) You need to link to a post my dude.

Now Prism, have you ever been scum, and had a buddy eliminated? Did you go back and read their ISO to see how you looked? I bet you did. It's hard not to, right?

Are you claiming to be scum with Cakez? If so... well, I'll take it.

In post 2638, Prism wrote:

In post 2637, Prism wrote:3) What do you think of this post, which imo comes very out of left field:

In post 1301, Titus wrote:

In post 1299, penguin_alien wrote:Afternoon Vote Count 1.08

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Battle Mage, GreyICE
Titus (4): sangres, Prism, SirCakez, MathBlade
SirCakez (4): mastina, Kitty Trauma Team, Dunnstral, Titus

Not voting (2): Tammy, borkjerfkin


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Oh wow. Just saw this. I doubt Prism and Cakez are scum together based off this VC. Probably Sangres, Cakez, (Tammy/bork), (Grey/quiet).

The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280

It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.

EBWOP, kind of important to include the actual post.

Let’s assume you’re right on Titus being white knighted.
Let’s assume that you Pooky and I are also town (which IMHO is pretty evident).
This leaves Dunn as the only possible scum on Cakez.

That’s quite literally it.
Titus town pretty much proves Cakez scum.
Yet she doesn’t even think about that so she’s probably scum with Cakez.

The alternative is scum when they had an easy miselim on Titus sitting around for a while intentionally bussed Mastina if you think Cakez and Titus are both town and that to me is laughable.

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:

In post 2637, Prism wrote:Grey-I think there are a few things you could help answer, actually.

1) Why did your concern that mastina was spewing me red get no followup?
2) What do you make of this post from Titus, with 2588 in mind?

In post 1849, Titus wrote:mastina's play is a bit weird as either alignment. Why would she take a dive for me when we largely have the same skillset and I am worse mentally atm? No scum is worth sacrificing themselves to save me. It's a negative EV as either alignment, so I lean town on that.

3) What do you think of this post, which imo comes very out of left field:

The reason it comes out of left field is that it follows a very clear progression on me/Cakez, bottom of 1270, 1273, 1278, 1280

It is very difficult for me to see this as anything besides mastina whiteknighting a town slot.

1) What. English motherfucker.
2) WIFOM. Look it up in the Wiki
3) You need to link to a post my dude.

Now Prism, have you ever been scum, and had a buddy eliminated? Did you go back and read their ISO to see how you looked? I bet you did. It's hard not to, right?

PEDIT:

Are you claiming to be scum with Cakez? If so... well, I'll take it.

Echo chamber

Titus or Cakez today.

IDGAF which. Far as I am concerned Titus Cakez Prism looking spicy

Titus, Mathblade. This is our guaranteed scumflip. Our vig can shoot Cakez if he's such a concern, I don't even care anymore. It'd be a damn sight better than trying to hero vig Nacho. Our vig can shoot Quiet.

I think there's quite a few names being left off the list but right now I just want a goddamn red flip.

P.S. If you're reading my ISO because I'm dead, Math is not confirmed town. I'm starting to like him for town, but that's no reason he gets to live forever.

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:1) What. English motherfucker.

This sentence was gramatically correct and unambiguous, but perhaps you're unfamiliar with the term "spewing". I am not sure if it is on the Wiki for you to look up. I am asking why there was no followup on your end to the thought presented in 1532.

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:2) WIFOM. Look it up in the Wiki

Rather uninspired.

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:Now Prism, have you ever been scum, and had a buddy eliminated? Did you go back and read their ISO to see how you looked? I bet you did. It's hard not to, right?

I haven't flipped scum in my entire time onsite, actually. There's also good reason to believe Titus would remember mastina's posts quite well, but this entire push is very tenuous and intentionally blind imo, capitalizing instead on Titus playing poorly and painting over with a bit of creativity

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:

PEDIT:

Are you claiming to be scum with Cakez? If so... well, I'll take it.

I am suggesting it is an extremely genuine reaction from Titus that strikes out from her scumplan in a very unexpected way.

In post 2643, Prism wrote:

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:1) What. English motherfucker.

This sentence was gramatically correct and unambiguous, but perhaps you're unfamiliar with the term "spewing". I am not sure if it is on the Wiki for you to look up. I am asking why there was no followup on your end to the thought presented in 1532.

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:2) WIFOM. Look it up in the Wiki

Rather uninspired.

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:Now Prism, have you ever been scum, and had a buddy eliminated? Did you go back and read their ISO to see how you looked? I bet you did. It's hard not to, right?

I haven't flipped scum in my entire time onsite, actually. There's also good reason to believe Titus would remember mastina's posts quite well, but this entire push is very tenuous and intentionally blind imo, capitalizing instead on Titus playing poorly and painting over with a bit of creativity

In post 2639, GreyICE wrote:

PEDIT:

Are you claiming to be scum with Cakez? If so... well, I'll take it.

I am suggesting it is an extremely genuine reaction from Titus that strikes out from her scumplan in a very unexpected way.

Are you fucking serious.

In post 2122, penguin_alien wrote:Final Afternoon Vote Count

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (1): quiet
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (9--BRONZED):

GreyICE,

Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell, Sangres, Spiffeh

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 83/85 pages used (switching to post count here: 2080/2125 posts)

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening
LLD is V/LA.

Flip incoming

THIS IS MY FOLLOWUP

SEE IT?

THAT'S MY FUCKING FOLLOWUP

YOU DON'T TALK TO SCUM, YOU FUCKING LYNCH THEM

In post 1534, GreyICE wrote:

It's so bad it'd actually make Prism look worse if you flipped scum because it'd look like scum distancing.

Can you stop pretending that you can't read? It would go a long way.

Hey prism, you illiterate imbecile, is your fucking argument that you're scum?

YOUR ARGUMENT IS YOU'RE SCUM

FINE

Go get shot, and get the fuck out of this thread

Very cute. You could always walk through the progression about why a mastina flip did not lead you to suspect me.

In post 2642, GreyICE wrote:Titus, Mathblade. This is our guaranteed scumflip. Our vig can shoot Cakez if he's such a concern, I don't even care anymore. It'd be a damn sight better than trying to hero vig Nacho. Our vig can shoot Quiet.

I think there's quite a few names being left off the list but right now I just want a goddamn red flip.

P.S. If you're reading my ISO because I'm dead, Math is not confirmed town. I'm starting to like him for town, but that's no reason he gets to live forever.

Interesting you say it’s a guaranteed scum flip here.

Titus is my top scumread but she’s been pretty bad the past few games. Cakez is my second.

By PoE she’s the top one. If it wasn’t because of wagon shit I would probably be on Cakez.

There’s possible worlds she is town but it’s so minuscule and she’s not even trying to hunt or listen I am beyond the point of caring. Linking me v Titus as guaranteed one scum doesn’t make sense at all.