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[Dwlee99]

Titus I trust in you to have better reasons for eliminating someone than "how could we ever trust someone that has lied before!"

I don't think you're parked on scum and I think the claim is legit.

[Titus]

Titus I trust in you to have better reasons for eliminating someone than "how could we ever trust someone that has lied before!"

I don't think you're parked on scum and I think the claim is legit.

Based on what?

[Rathe]

Why is there so much resistance to a osuka wagon is osuka is town and Anya is scum, Titus?

i think its the other way around

[Dwlee99]

Titus I trust in you to have better reasons for eliminating someone than "how could we ever trust someone that has lied before!"

I don't think you're parked on scum and I think the claim is legit.

Based on what?

No visitors -> no result

Why is there so much resistance to a osuka wagon is osuka is town and Anya is scum, Titus?

i think its the other way around

Anya got to E-1??

[Titus]

Why is there so much resistance to a osuka wagon is osuka is town and Anya is scum, Titus?

i think its the other way around

Based on what?

[Titus]

Titus I trust in you to have better reasons for eliminating someone than "how could we ever trust someone that has lied before!"

I don't think you're parked on scum and I think the claim is legit.

Based on what?

No visitors -> no result

Why is there so much resistance to a osuka wagon is osuka is town and Anya is scum, Titus?

i think its the other way around

Anya got to E-1??

Anya's claim change is a reason not to believe them.

[Rathe]

Why is there so much resistance to a osuka wagon is osuka is town and Anya is scum, Titus?

i think its the other way around

im saying the resistance is on anya osuka is a new wagon its doesnt have so much resistance

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: osuka

[Rathe]

im confused after reading anya again im going back to my original scumread n not moving anymore

VOTE: osuka

[cyrus62]

i dont trust anya because of the change in climes .

you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day. so the mid read change sounds fake. i didnt note's it at 1st but patapan night action was in the replacement role pm . so basically i dont by anya mid read change that sounds like something from a scum pt.
and dw push on it makes me sus of them.

[T3]

I looked through your ISO and I have 0 idea why you're voting Rathe. Why Rathe over Anya?

modgames make sense with the Anya and cyrus claims.

Why do we have any reason to believe the changing no visit to no result claim when ssbm already accused anya of lying about the hood?

Anya has posted and not denied ssbm's claim, essentially confirming the neighborhood was a lie.

Why should we trust a liar?

[Dwlee99]

you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day.

No result is very easily confusable with "No one visited" or something similar. The wiki even has a clarification on things about how not seeing anyone isn't the same as no result.

[osuka]

So if ssbm is honest, anya is lying...

If my calculations are right, someone is lying.

Please detail your calculations.

15 players, average 4 scum.
15 - 4 = 11
11 players telling the truth
3 players lying
1 player has no idea what's going on.

There are exactly 3 people lying.
This is where it gets tricky.

I'll group players to help though.

Group A
Me
Titus
DGB
Cyrus
T3

Group B
Dwlee
Anya
Vax
SSBM
Osuka

Group C
Raithe
Dragon
West
Chaos
Andre

There's exactly 1+ scum in A+B
There's exactly 1+ scum in B+C
There's exactly 1+ scum in A+C

If you assume that the top player and second player of each group has 10 posts, times the top and second, which gives 100. There were only 17 players to start though...

So the fact it hits 100 and not 63 makes me believe that there's organised lying happening.

And who is a player that appears in the A+B and B+C groups? SSBM.
Conclusion? SSBM is lying about something, but what?

what the fuck did you take

[Anya]

i didn't change any climes cyrus

i was always a neighbour i just left out the voyeury part bc why would i tell everyone that

and then i checked the night result thing from gypyx when i woke up in the morning i think and read it at the time as meaning i saw no one visit i dunno why probably bc i was sleepy

cleared it up next time i rechecked

[Anya]

you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day.

No result is very easily confusable with "No one visited" or something similar. The wiki even has a clarification on things about how not seeing anyone isn't the same as no result.

yeah i mixed the two

[Anya]

titus really really feels like a wolf

more than anyone else in the game

shame she's got safe harbour laws protecting her or something

[Anya]

ok night 1 patapan targeted osuka

?????

didnt you just claim combined vig babysitter? did i miss something? how could you possibly know this?

T3 already addressed this by the time I'm through catchup Q+

Did Peta babysit or did he Vig Osuka?

????????????????????

the guy is COMBINED babysitter vig

learn to read people

I thought combined just meant he was both and was used to separate other modifiers from the roles they apply to. My understanding of combined (which I now know was wrong) was that it might work like "Combined Odd Night Tracker Even Night Follower" where the Odd Night modifier applies only to tracker and even night applies only to follower

If Osuka was untargetable for some reason, rolestop, ascetic, whatever... would Anya receive no result from Peta? Not sure how that resolves

are you having a stroke?

if i was untargetable, which i'm not, how the fuck could that have anything to do with anya receiving no result? what?

I was being dumb, I think she would have seen nothing rather than no result but am still not really sure if that's the case, so would still like an answer here from anyone who is sure

Hold up.

So I don't see why babysitter vig would exist because the babysit will just protect from the vig shot. Unless it's to give weird results... to something like a follower or a voyeur. UNVOTE: anya

There is no pt at all, I haven't played with Anya before but it quickly became apparent how she plays. At first I was playing along for fun, but then I realized she might actually be a mason with a different partner. I am VT and thought that I could potentially bait a NK away from the real partner if Anya ever flipped, or could bait it away from Anya if I got more active than her by playing it this way.

This is also why I was concerned if DGB/DotW were claiming Mason specifically, because it seems less likely there would be 2 pairs than one. When Anya fullclaimed I assumed she was fakeclaiming a weak PR that would not draw a kill, and that her mason buddy would clear her at a later stage. I assumed she would pretend to have targeted her mason buddy toNight and her mason buddy could lie and say they received the announcing pm. I was probably going to claim this all tomorrow if she lied about targeting me with announcing and I received no PM.

The only reason I'm claiming all this now is (1) I thought DWLee was the secret partner and if he is asking I know this is not the case, and (2) T3s assessment of the modgames involved in Voyeur/Combined BS Vig makes sense to me

oh no what have you done kyouko

[Anya]

but yeah titus is trying to argue me changing from no visitors to no result in a few min is some kind of planned thing that i did as wolf

or i for some reason decided to lie and change the clime straight away as wolf

she definitely doesn't believe the in beans she's taking out of the tin

[cyrus62]

you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day.

No result is very easily confusable with "No one visited" or something similar. The wiki even has a clarification on things about how not seeing anyone isn't the same as no result.

i think your defending here means your scum. i have already decided on who im babying siting tonight.

[cyrus62]

i didn't change any climes cyrus

i was always a neighbour i just left out the voyeury part bc why would i tell everyone that

and then i checked the night result thing from gypyx when i woke up in the morning i think and read it at the time as meaning i saw no one visit i dunno why probably bc i was sleepy

cleared it up next time i rechecked

i dont buy it sorry . might just be my lack of exp as pr. but when i was scum i knew my actions and the role pm.

[Dragon of the West]

Anya how is 2641 all you have to say in response to that? Are you neighbors with someone and if so, who? If it's not Kyouko, why did you lie saying it was?

[cyrus62]

fyi anya your avatar makes you look innocent . so i think it would be easier for you to slip the the elim. based on that. maybe your hoping people take it easy on you with that avatar.

[Dwlee99]

you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day.

No result is very easily confusable with "No one visited" or something similar. The wiki even has a clarification on things about how not seeing anyone isn't the same as no result.

i think your defending here means your scum. i have already decided on who im babying siting tonight.

cyrus what are you even doing?

[cyrus62]

you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day.

No result is very easily confusable with "No one visited" or something similar. The wiki even has a clarification on things about how not seeing anyone isn't the same as no result.

i think your defending here means your scum. i have already decided on who im babying siting tonight.

cyrus what are you even doing?

what ever i feel is best.

[Dwlee99]

That would be to not visit me tonight tyvm