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[innocentvillager]

regardless really proud of both of my scummates they both carried hard and even despite margot scumslipping salsa still carried us home lmao so thanks guys

After

MR

's elimination, I thought to be replaced out, didn’t sure I can do this. But then thought let's try it and magic happens

thanks for sticking it through you did well, i don't think i could've done the same. especially against a strong replacement like koba

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I hope I wasn’t out of line with anyone, I'm working on my short temper issue..

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: Not this game related

@Datsis

,

@DkKoba

...
Can you join?

Slot 1:

Not_Mafia's Cop Killer (3 days left*)

1. Galron
   
2. Enchant
   
3. Pavowski
   
4. Almost50
   
5. mozamis
   
6. Bingle
   
7. LicketyQuickety
   
8. Guilty Lion
   
9. Salsabil Faria
   
10. DArby
    
11. 
    
12. 
    

*I won't pull games while the queue is empty, and I will give them a 3-day buffer if they are close to filling when another game enters the queue. Yes I'm making this up as I go along, but I don't want to discourage other people from signing up to mod.

Anyone is interested? 2 slots left now....

[Not_Mafia]

Spoiler: Not this game related

@Datsis

,

@DkKoba

...
Can you join?

Slot 1:

Not_Mafia's Cop Killer (3 days left*)

1. Galron
   
2. Enchant
   
3. Pavowski
   
4. Almost50
   
5. mozamis
   
6. Bingle
   
7. LicketyQuickety
   
8. Guilty Lion
   
9. Salsabil Faria
   
10. DArby
    
11. 
    
12. 
    

*I won't pull games while the queue is empty, and I will give them a 3-day buffer if they are close to filling when another game enters the queue. Yes I'm making this up as I go along, but I don't want to discourage other people from signing up to mod.

Anyone is interested? 2 slots left now....

Let's go

[Dwlee99]

Gg, thanks for modding Gypyx!

[Gamma Emerald]

sigh

[DkKoba]

sigh

sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah you were cool

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What a game

Gj everyone, was fun to spectate that after dying. Thanks Gypyx for modding and thanks Koba for replacing into ELO like that!

[Salsabil Faria]

sigh

<3

Thanks for modding

Gypyx

and also thanks for tolerating my tantrums in scum pt

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess while I'm here I'll attempt to say something nice about salsa so she can have something for her sig

salsabil faria has a lot of potential but also a lot of petulance, like if a five year old was given the wisdom of a fifty year old

I dunno, that actually feels a bit harsher than I would like but I'm not rlly good with words

[Salsabil Faria]

It’s not harsh, it’s actually true

I want to link it so that it can redirect into 2635, but I don’t know how

[Salsabil Faria]

I want to link it so that it can redirect into 2635, but I don’t know how

Solved

[mastina]

Hi I reviewed this game.

[Gypyx]

Mafia PT won't be released

raveyard : https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13026589

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh, salsa, honey

You’ve made a horrible mistake playing this way only after I had clarity on your alignment. You’d better keep a bullet saved for me every time you’re scum against me in the future because

I will figure you out

.

hi

sorry for my many mistakes <3

salsa played v well

Honestly, not rlly
Her tone was fucking disgusting D4, she openwolfed the shit out of that day phase

Do you take this lose as an insult because you lost against a LHF player (me)?? I actually don't understand what is this HATE coming from because I can't remember about showing hatred towards you.

[Salsabil Faria]

Margot, your only gate is Backup? You have unlimited shots once the Vigilante dies?

@MR, I think you can say you only have the back up power, as ssbm used the 1 shot, you can't have this. Otherwise, it'll overpower the town and others will suspect you for that.

ladies and gentelmen, your latest darwin awards nominee...

nah but like on all seriousness, i think i might try to make it mandatory in some way for peoples to educate themselves about normal games when playing in my games, it's like a real bummer for things to go that way

I still don’t get the whole thing... Can you explain it to me please?

[Datisi]

it's something where you simply have to know how *every single possible normal role* works, AND have experience in how 13p games are balanced. the way i arrived at margot being scum for the claim is:

- 13p games are generally balanced if there are about 3 confirmable townies in the game total.
- we had 2 innocent children, which are

always

confirmable and scum has no way of blocking them, meaning that that's already 2/3 confirmed townies covered.
- we also have a (

at least

) 1-shot vigilante, who is almost always confirmable.
- scum did have a vig/ic finder flip, but as that is only an investigative role, and is completely unable at stopping the vig/ic from finding, it's not enough scum power to significantly offset the town power.
- THEN we had something block the kill. 1 extra kill from the vigilante + 1 blocked kill from something = an extra yeet for town. which not only means that we have more power than above, it also means that the town power is able to grant the town an extra yeet, which is very strong.
- therefore we likely don't have any more town power, or we have some very very weak town power left.

margot claimed backup vigilante. if her backup vig claim is true:
- first of all, that makes her the 4th confirmable townie in the game. which is already unlikely.
- a backup vigilante becomes a full vigilante after a 1-shot vig dies. that means that town is "rewarded" if their 1-shot vig is killed, especially if they're killed early, which is

horrendous

game design, and any reviewer worth their salt would veto that game. scum getting punished for doing the mechanically correct play of shooting the 1-shot vig is not something that should ever pass review.
- and this makes it somewhat more likely that there will be multiple successful vig shots in the game. which means town is even more likely to be getting extra yeets, since 2 vig shots = 1 extra yeet.

therefore, either gypyx hates scum and wants them to suffer, or margot is lying.

i already explained how she botched claiming her abilities as a "backup vig".

[DkKoba]

Oh, salsa, honey

You’ve made a horrible mistake playing this way only after I had clarity on your alignment. You’d better keep a bullet saved for me every time you’re scum against me in the future because

I will figure you out

.

hi

sorry for my many mistakes <3

salsa played v well

Honestly, not rlly
Her tone was fucking disgusting D4, she openwolfed the shit out of that day phase

Do you take this lose as an insult because you lost against a LHF player (me)?? I actually don't understand what is this HATE coming from because I can't remember about showing hatred towards you.

You won because townies overthought and didnt want to let go of tunnels / pet scumreads, not bc you particularly played well(in fact i murdered you in elo and exposed your play while you sat there frozen)

[innocentvillager]

i know I wasn’t in this ELO and I’m biased because I’m salsa’s deadweight scum partner

but I think saying you murdered salsa in ELO when Datisi ultimately voted you kind of defeats the definition of murdered

It’s one thing to say a bunch of things and for salsa to not rebut every single point well (which I think is what happened) but another to actual convince the judge who may have had some preconceptions against you going in

Obviously you did very well and given more time you may have won but Datisi is a good player and the fact is at the end of the day your arguments were not convincing enough to sway him out of his pet theory

[innocentvillager]

I think salsa played great. even if a couple people saw her as scum most of the game saw her as uninformed and that’s not an easy thing to do, and that’s all you need is to convince a certain subset of people anyway not everyone. she doesn’t have to put on a masterclass deepwolf session fooling everyone to have played well

[innocentvillager]

also Datisi hope you are okay from rl stuffz

[innocentvillager]

most of the “salsa obvscum” sentiment came AFTER people knew her alignment hindsight bias does a lot. It seemed to me like you were the only person who had real stated conviction in main thread after having the balls to vote her immediately so good for you on that

[Salsabil Faria]

@DkKoba

, I want to know from

GE

the reason for his HATRED towards me (I quoted those because those give me STRONG HATE VIBE not the salty vibe for losing the game) because I'm unaware of this hatred.

I don’t remember claiming that my play here brings the win btw

[Salsabil Faria]

it's something where you simply have to know how *every single possible normal role* works, AND have experience in how 13p games are balanced. the way i arrived at margot being scum for the claim is:

- 13p games are generally balanced if there are about 3 confirmable townies in the game total.
- we had 2 innocent children, which are

always

confirmable and scum has no way of blocking them, meaning that that's already 2/3 confirmed townies covered.
- we also have a (

at least

) 1-shot vigilante, who is almost always confirmable.
- scum did have a vig/ic finder flip, but as that is only an investigative role, and is completely unable at stopping the vig/ic from finding, it's not enough scum power to significantly offset the town power.
- THEN we had something block the kill. 1 extra kill from the vigilante + 1 blocked kill from something = an extra yeet for town. which not only means that we have more power than above, it also means that the town power is able to grant the town an extra yeet, which is very strong.
- therefore we likely don't have any more town power, or we have some very very weak town power left.

margot claimed backup vigilante. if her backup vig claim is true:
- first of all, that makes her the 4th confirmable townie in the game. which is already unlikely.
- a backup vigilante becomes a full vigilante after a 1-shot vig dies. that means that town is "rewarded" if their 1-shot vig is killed, especially if they're killed early, which is

horrendous

game design, and any reviewer worth their salt would veto that game. scum getting punished for doing the mechanically correct play of shooting the 1-shot vig is not something that should ever pass review.
- and this makes it somewhat more likely that there will be multiple successful vig shots in the game. which means town is even more likely to be getting extra yeets, since 2 vig shots = 1 extra yeet.

therefore, either gypyx hates scum and wants them to suffer, or margot is lying.

i already explained how she botched claiming her abilities as a "backup vig".

Thanks a lot!

1 question though , if there is a 1 shot vig and 1 universal back up vig, what will happen after the original vig killed who used their 1 shot before dying?