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It's a week old so I guess I better do 1.1 patch actually.

OH I GOT YOU MEG

In post 2622, T-Bone wrote:

unwnd wrote:I see your posts a lot T-Bone and I usually just come to the conclusion of 'reasonable'

Yet you're the one who has been at the helm of mastina's wagon, so what do you think about the people who are on there with you?

In post 1390, T-Bone wrote:

Spoiler: Reads 1.0

Town Lean
Frozen Angel
Nancy and the Nancettes

Null Lean
Radical Rat
Enchant
Proffessotic
Maid Cafe (confirmed in my heart)
MathBlade

Null
Scafmanship
MMR
Bunnyonce
STD

Scum Lean
Mastina
Radja
Furtive
Yume
DDS

This is where I was last week for reference. If I were to make changes it would be to move your slot up to null, Furtive up to scum lean but less than the others, possibly null, Maid Cafe down to null, and Bunny down to scum lean.

Can you elaborate on Scarf? I feel their push on us is very very bad. I'd put MMR, mastina and Yume higher with Enchant lower (just by a tier) and Professor much lower. Bunny could go null/lean scum. I want furtiveglance to be higher as well as I feel the effort screams that he's town. I know that's a few names I'd change but aside from that I'm largely okay with your readlist atm.

~Titus

In post 2623, Yume wrote:

In post 2620, T-Bone wrote:

In post 2617, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2607, T-Bone wrote:Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.

I think I find your questions unproductive.

I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.

It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.

So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?

Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum.

Which proves you're wrong. Not to mention how you're saying that we should trust multiple people who scumread mastina, yet when it comes to me, you're saying that we should trust your word against that of multiple people. Which comes off as hypocritical to me.

Way to cherry pick.

In post 2625, T-Bone wrote:It's a week old so I guess I better do 1.1 patch actually.

Spoiler: Reads 1.1

Town Lean
Frozen Angel
Nancy and the Nancettes

Null Lean
Enchant
Radical Rat
Proffessotic
MathBlade

Null
Maid Cafe
Scafmanship
Ydrasse
unwnd
MMR
Furtive

Scum Lean
Bunnyonce
DDS
Yume
Mastina

This reads list is even better than the one before. I'd move unwnd up. Scarf down, yume and mastina up. Professor down. You obviously as town.

~Titus

In post 2629, Past Present Future wrote:

In post 2622, T-Bone wrote:

unwnd wrote:I see your posts a lot T-Bone and I usually just come to the conclusion of 'reasonable'

Yet you're the one who has been at the helm of mastina's wagon, so what do you think about the people who are on there with you?

In post 1390, T-Bone wrote:

Spoiler: Reads 1.0

Town Lean
Frozen Angel
Nancy and the Nancettes

Null Lean
Radical Rat
Enchant
Proffessotic
Maid Cafe (confirmed in my heart)
MathBlade

Null
Scafmanship
MMR
Bunnyonce
STD

Scum Lean
Mastina
Radja
Furtive
Yume
DDS

This is where I was last week for reference. If I were to make changes it would be to move your slot up to null, Furtive up to scum lean but less than the others, possibly null, Maid Cafe down to null, and Bunny down to scum lean.

Can you elaborate on Scarf? I feel their push on us is very very bad. I'd put MMR, mastina and Yume higher with Enchant lower (just by a tier) and Professor much lower. Bunny could go null/lean scum. I want furtiveglance to be higher as well as I feel the effort screams that he's town. I know that's a few names I'd change but aside from that I'm largely okay with your readlist atm.

~Titus

Scarf exists in the null space for me because I don't really know much about them. They haven't posted much that I've felt like I had questions on or needed to comment on. They also haven't posted anything that I thought 'oh, this might be town.'

MMR exists in a similar space where I just don't know what to think about them.

Our disagreements over Mastina and Yume are well documented so I won't repeat them in this post.

I read Professor as town early...there was some weirdness when there was pressure on them around the Bunny vote and his wagon that will probably prevent me from ever trusting them as town, but not enough where I could drop them into a tier that I'd want to lim today.

Enchant feels kinda townie to me...but he also feels indifferent. I almost moved him into the tier with you and FA actually, but I decided I still need to see more before I can fully commit there.

Furtive is slowly moving up for me. I didn't like his posting early in the day phase and why I didn't it fairly well documented. But I find that he has made more takes recently that I look at and think "oh, this is a reasonable town take". So there's a bit of push and pull there where I am evolving the read on Furtive, but I am doing so cautiously because of how I felt earlier in the phase.

In post 2625, T-Bone wrote:It's a week old so I guess I better do 1.1 patch actually.

Spoiler: Reads 1.1

Town Lean
Frozen Angel
Nancy and the Nancettes

Null Lean
Enchant
Radical Rat
Proffessotic
MathBlade

Null
Maid Cafe
Scafmanship
Ydrasse
unwnd
MMR
Furtive

Scum Lean
Bunnyonce
DDS
Yume
Mastina

I agree with 2/4 of your scumleans right now. What do you think about the discrepancy I pointed out in DDS' behavior towards bunny and the fact they scumread them? #2535 (it's been YEARS and I still don't know or care how to link posts directly)

In post 2620, T-Bone wrote:

In post 2617, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2607, T-Bone wrote:Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.

I think I find your questions unproductive.

I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.

It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.

So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?

Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum. Not everyone is scum, so some townies have a real town read. Do I have a hero read or am I missing something? That's what I was trying to find out.

I don’t have a read on Yume and probably won’t for a bit.

I think that (assuming you are trying to sort Yume) trying to sort Yume instead of collaborating towards an elim is destructive here.

Tbone, do you think I'm going crazy in that I'm expecting X to happen and it didn't?

Pedit: Bunny wagon if I can get Nancy to vote there?

~Titus

In post 2630, T-Bone wrote:

In post 2623, Yume wrote:

In post 2620, T-Bone wrote:

In post 2617, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2607, T-Bone wrote:Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.

I think I find your questions unproductive.

I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.

It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.

So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?

Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum.

Which proves you're wrong. Not to mention how you're saying that we should trust multiple people who scumread mastina, yet when it comes to me, you're saying that we should trust your word against that of multiple people. Which comes off as hypocritical to me.

Way to cherry pick.

Well, my alignment won't magically change just because you say so, so deal with it.

In post 2633, unwnd wrote:

In post 2625, T-Bone wrote:It's a week old so I guess I better do 1.1 patch actually.

Spoiler: Reads 1.1

Town Lean
Frozen Angel
Nancy and the Nancettes

Null Lean
Enchant
Radical Rat
Proffessotic
MathBlade

Null
Maid Cafe
Scafmanship
Ydrasse
unwnd
MMR
Furtive

Scum Lean
Bunnyonce
DDS
Yume
Mastina

I agree with 2/4 of your scumleans right now. What do you think about the discrepancy I pointed out in DDS' behavior towards bunny and the fact they scumread them? #2535 (it's been YEARS and I still don't know or care how to link posts directly)

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Wow number swap but you get the idea I am on my phone

Generally my own issue of DDS is not just that instance of which they proclaimed scumreads. I ISO'd them a bit last night and just felt like they were overly modest. I felt like the times I un-ISO'd and looked at the actual page in which they participated, their posts were always in the middle of something. It's that type of ineffectiveness that seems intentional. Even now I'm right here as scumread and the most they did was lightly gesture to me.

In post 2634, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2620, T-Bone wrote:

In post 2617, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2607, T-Bone wrote:Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.

I think I find your questions unproductive.

I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.

It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.

So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?

Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum. Not everyone is scum, so some townies have a real town read. Do I have a hero read or am I missing something? That's what I was trying to find out.

I don’t have a read on Yume and probably won’t for a bit.

I think that (assuming you are trying to sort Yume) trying to sort Yume instead of collaborating towards an elim is destructive here.

I mean I'm voting Mastina, leading the Mastina wagon, and she's at e-1. Not much more I can do until Mastina returns to claim and/or someone hammers.

In post 2635, Past Present Future wrote:Tbone, do you think I'm going crazy in that I'm expecting X to happen and it didn't?

Pedit: Bunny wagon if I can get Nancy to vote there?

~Titus

Sorry I think I'm missing the context? Expecting what to happen?

unwnd wrote:
I agree with 2/4 of your scumleans right now. What do you think about the discrepancy I pointed out in DDS' behavior towards bunny and the fact they scumread them? #2535 (it's been YEARS and I still don't know or care how to link posts directly)

In post 2535, unwnd wrote:I Ctrl+F'd one of your choices and I'm struggling to get where you think this slot is scum from your own behavior around them

Is this the right post?

I think I agree, and I think I've said as such. I think DDS is scum too.

Also, I'm unsure if it's bias but I'm fond of PPF (Titus) willing to discuss with me

I favor that type of communication instead of being closed off, and her read on mastina seems the most practical

T-bone in your own regard to my slot I have you p much as null too.

We agree in a lot of ways, but I think at worst you are not mastina's partner

I'm not offended I don't crave town reads, in fact I don't want them. I'm a little puzzled by thinking I'm not Mastina's partner because I feel like I have a ton of partner equity with her, but you'd also have to know more about how I play as scum to make that connection. You'll have to take my word for it I guess

In post 2641, T-Bone wrote:

unwnd wrote:
I agree with 2/4 of your scumleans right now. What do you think about the discrepancy I pointed out in DDS' behavior towards bunny and the fact they scumread them? #2535 (it's been YEARS and I still don't know or care how to link posts directly)

In post 2535, unwnd wrote:I Ctrl+F'd one of your choices and I'm struggling to get where you think this slot is scum from your own behavior around them

Is this the right post?

I think I agree, and I think I've said as such. I think DDS is scum too.

I know it's just assumptions but do you think DDS is likely to just blindly pick out a partner like that in their scumlist? Might ISO bunny next regardless

In post 2644, T-Bone wrote:I'm not offended I don't crave town reads, in fact I don't want them. I'm a little puzzled by thinking I'm not Mastina's partner because I feel like I have a ton of partner equity with her, but you'd also have to know more about how I play as scum to make that connection. You'll have to take my word for it I guess

Your commitment towards her death doesn't seem like a situation where you happened to just vote her early and you feel locked into it. You probably had a lot of time to change your mind, yet you haven't. I also dunno if hardbussing is the play when numbers matter this much (see: multiball)

Meh, I was afraid of people not seeing that. I'm still sitting on it but I don't think it will happen. I'm afraid to mention it because I think there's a remote chance in Hades I might cause it which would be even more bad for the game state.

~Titus

Oh and while I'm here

My friend ydrasse doesn't wanna interact with me

Sad times, a single tear rolling down my cheek

In post 2645, unwnd wrote:

In post 2641, T-Bone wrote:

unwnd wrote:
I agree with 2/4 of your scumleans right now. What do you think about the discrepancy I pointed out in DDS' behavior towards bunny and the fact they scumread them? #2535 (it's been YEARS and I still don't know or care how to link posts directly)

In post 2535, unwnd wrote:I Ctrl+F'd one of your choices and I'm struggling to get where you think this slot is scum from your own behavior around them

Is this the right post?

I think I agree, and I think I've said as such. I think DDS is scum too.

I know it's just assumptions but do you think DDS is likely to just blindly pick out a partner like that in their scumlist? Might ISO bunny next regardless

So like if DDS is scum, then they are just coming in to meet the activity and content requirements of the game. Like I think you and I would mostly agree that their content is lacking. I think it's lacking because they might be scum. I think the evidence for that is naked votes on any Mastina counterwagon, no real discussions of their reads (so they aren't locked into stances and can change later, which you have pointed out a bit). Like if DDS put a naked vote on a partner and we later tried to pressure them into justifying it, DDS has an out "oh well we were just trying to do something, we don't have to think they are scum". And DDS has done this to several slots. They could all be town, one could be a partner they mixed in intentionally for distancing. We have no way of knowing that for sure. So I guess my point is since DDS is a low content slot I don't know why they have done anything this game. Because explainations have been few and far between.

In post 2646, unwnd wrote:

In post 2644, T-Bone wrote:I'm not offended I don't crave town reads, in fact I don't want them. I'm a little puzzled by thinking I'm not Mastina's partner because I feel like I have a ton of partner equity with her, but you'd also have to know more about how I play as scum to make that connection. You'll have to take my word for it I guess

Your commitment towards her death doesn't seem like a situation where you happened to just vote her early and you feel locked into it. You probably had a lot of time to change your mind, yet you haven't. I also dunno if hardbussing is the play when numbers matter this much (see: multiball)

So like this is strategic on my part. Mastina has been the leading wagon most of the day phase. So even though I do consider other players that could be scum as well, if I get off Mastina that means I'm conceding that I'm not eliminating this scum read today. From my perspective I felt like I have done my best to evaluate and reevaluate my read on Mastina. It's hard for me to prove since I haven't changed my read, but I have revaluated a few times with myself to see if anything had changed. But I recognize that in thread it looks like it hasn't because I haven't moved my vote, and I've been talking about other scum reads a lot more recently. If Mastina wasn't the leading wagon, if I was the only one on Mastina, I'd be looking for compromise elsewhere in my scum reads for sure.