Wayne always challenges the authority figures regardless of alignment, so that's pretty null but it did give me a little chuckle yeah.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:19 am
by TheReverend
I get why orc's comments raised eyebrows, but tbh I consider it null, I mean he wouldn't exactly want his scum game to be transparent, regardless of his role this game. I won't be worried about orc unless he's still alive deep into the game.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:23 am
by ²
In post 2645, TheReverend wrote:I don't understand this need to get angry in mafia games. It's either feigned anger to appear town, or if you're actually angry, you take shit too seriously. There's a few people here who need to chill.
You tell me my mind is made up. It is not, or at least it wasn't before this exchange. I already stated that I prefer to lynch AJ over you because I feel you are a greater loss to town if it's a mislynch.
I haven't said lying is a scum tell. I said lying to push a mislynch is a scum tell. The fact that you have accepted mollie as town, regardless of what I consider clear scum motivation, is alarming. In your shoes, if I really felt mollie was lying, I would reassess my town read on her with the utmost urgency. You seem to be set on mollie being town, despite your claims she's lying. This, to me, is incredibly scummy. You're not being flexible, you are rigid.
I think you sum it up quite neatly when you state that only two town flips are going to convince you; if that's the case there really isn't a purpose of our conversation.
Of course there's a point to this conversation. It was entirely possible that you could convince me mollie is indeed deliberately lying to push your mislynch, which in turn would have me reassess my town read of her. I would expect maybe you would do the same. But you're digging your feet in, refusing to back down from your town read, and suggesting my mind was made up long ago. It wasn't, if my mind was made up long ago, why did I try to get some momentum into the MS counter-wagon?
I'm happy with my vote.
Alright, I'll try to remain calm, but it's rather frustrating spending time explaining something when it's just being ignored and (at least by my impression) you're continually repeating yourself.
I told you that it was my impression that your mind was made up. If you're telling me that isn't the case then I don't understand why you insist that mollie lying is scummy, as I've actually put some effort into trying to explain why it's not.
You did state before that you prefer to lynch AJ over us, but you also stated before that you prefer lynching us, and your vote is currently on us.
I still disagree that lying to push a mislynch is always a scumtell. It's a scumtell when you get caught lying in something that otherwise wouldn't be easily confirmable, but when mollie is just blatantly lying about things that can easily be disconfirmed, I don't see it as scummy. The fact that I have accepted mollie as town may be alarming to you; there really isn't much I can do about that, because I
have
accepted their slot as town. You have said what you would do in my shoes several times, but please at least consider the possibility that what town-you would do in my shoes does not necessarily equal what town-me does in my shoes. We clearly think differently about a lot of things and this is just one of many examples. I'm set on mollie being town because I'm absolutely certain that by now I would have picked up on something scummy from either Majiffy or mollie. Have you checked how quickly I've figured out Majiffy being scum in other games? I don't even recall the last time he was scum and I didn't figure it out right away on day 1. I'm not being flexible on this because I really have no reason to think that Majiffy suddently became well-capable of tricking me on such a huge scale. In addition to this, f is very, very good at reading mollie and she's saying that mollie without a doubt is town.
What is the point of this conversation, really? I don't see it, and I'm trying me best to be open-minded right now. When Nacho comes back, you'll find that he'll confirm that he was sheeping mollie on her read. If you read the links to previous games you'll find that mollie indeed was responsible for my mislynch because of excessive tunneling. If you care enough to read through her previous posts on this site you'll find that she did indeed state that my scum game is incredible good and that she had to reevaluate her perception of what she thinks I'm capable of (i.e., I'm well capable of simulating scumhunting as town, contrary to what she stated). If you don't do any of this it will just remain my word versus hers, so I encourage you to dig into this and draw your own conclusion. To me, mollie is beyond any reasonable doubt deliberately lying to push my mislynch (which she beyond any reasonable doubt thinks is actually the correct lynch). You don't need to reconsider your town read on her because of this, as you seem to insinuate. We disagree on this, but I don't see what kind of scum-motivation there would be for me to deliberately disagree with you rather than just faking being suspicious of her.
If there is anything else you want my opinion on, let me know, but I still don't see the purpose of continuing this conversation. I hope you'll reconsider your vote, ofc, but I'm not going to go out of my way to make you do so, and I can't see mollie being scum despite her lying.
- b
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:38 am
by waynegg
In post 2652, TheReverend wrote:I get why orc's comments raised eyebrows, but tbh I consider it null, I mean he wouldn't exactly want his scum game to be transparent, regardless of his role this game. I won't be worried about orc unless he's still alive deep into the game.
It's because at that point new as rapidly responding to anything even half assed directed toward him. He missed the part where she said not to answer the question and barged right in with what looks like a slip. Like I said just my opinion with 80 more pages to read.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:38 am
by waynegg
How did 'Orc' correct to 'new'...
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:40 am
by TiphaineDeath
Thank you for your heavily effective sarcasm.
The second half of that post is wishy washy and scummy over 9k.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 7:45 am
by TheReverend
In post 2653, ² wrote:but I don't see what kind of scum-motivation there would be for me to deliberately disagree with you rather than just faking being suspicious of her.
I already stated what I think your scum motivation is for maintaining a town read on her... if you push this as a scumtell, then you run the risk of 1v1 vs a universal townread. Sure, what rev town does and what buldy town does are two different things, but I can't help be alarmed by your rigid townread on someone you openly accuse of deliberately lying to push your lynch.
I'm going out now, it's friday night etc, I'll reassess tomorrow when I'm sober. I hope in the meantime we have orc and/or nacho back involved.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 8:00 am
by Andrius
In post 2647, TiphaineDeath wrote:^This post, makes me want to facepalm so fucking hard, I would break my forhead^
In post 2647, TiphaineDeath wrote:^This post, makes me want to facepalm so fucking hard, I would break my forhead^
Thanks for being civil, cool, and pointing out what you might not like about the post and how it factors into the game.
Ok so here's how this works.
This is a game we call mafia.
Generally, a shitload of townies die during this game, and a good deal of them are lynched/killed/shot/stabbed/took a MONADOOOOOOOOOOO to the face by other townies.
K let's break this post down:
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 8:47 am
by Ser Arthur Dayne
In post 2646, Varsoon wrote:
I think 2 is town.
But we've only got 3 days.
I don't wanna vote 2.
But there's a chance I'm wrong and 2's scum.
So
I don't know what to think.
I think 2's a better town player if 2 is town than most of you guys.
But this -is- a game with 20 players.
We can mislynch a few, I think.
I don't wanna.
But we can.
How's that fence you're working on?
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:07 am
by Aj The Epic
In post 2659, Andrius wrote:More complaining against a lynch he doesn't like.
boohoo townies have to die.
No one here is complaining about having to go through town bodies- like we do every game- to lynch scum and win the game.
So, you know 2 is town? That's rather suspicious.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:13 am
by GuyInFreezer
^
Misrep
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:14 am
by Andrius
I don't.
1) Mathematically, everyone here has a greater chance of being town than scum
2) Mathematically, town is lynched D1 more often than scum
3) I'm writing to him and his perspective. He thinks 2 is town? Great, I'll write as though 2 is town.
4) Like we do every game, we lynch people who we think are scum and turn out to be town.
5) He says "we can mislynch a few" implying that he is actually okay with lynching town (except 2) but "I don't wanna".
Well the minute you can pinpoint who all the scum are so we can lynch them and do a perfect game let me know but until then I'll be waiting for the Rains of Castamere.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:19 am
by Venmar
Willing to back the 2 wagon if needed since I agree 2 is scummy, but in the meantime I am interested in people's thoughts on Sajin.
In post 2653, ² wrote:but I don't see what kind of scum-motivation there would be for me to deliberately disagree with you rather than just faking being suspicious of her.
I already stated what I think your scum motivation is for maintaining a town read on her... if you push this as a scumtell, then you run the risk of 1v1 vs a universal townread. Sure, what rev town does and what buldy town does are two different things, but I can't help be alarmed by your rigid townread on someone you openly accuse of deliberately lying to push your lynch.
I'm going out now, it's friday night etc, I'll reassess tomorrow when I'm sober. I hope in the meantime we have orc and/or nacho back involved.
In post 2664, Venmar wrote:Willing to back the 2 wagon if needed since I agree 2 is scummy, but in the meantime I am interested in people's thoughts on Sajin.
He came out of nowhere with a super scummy interaction with you, and I'd turn a wagon for it, maybe. Will have to go ISO. Hang tight.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:51 am
by Cabd
In post 2609, Mac wrote:metal sonic can you post some of your previous games please.
Somebody asked you a question about me and you never answered IIRC. Would you mind humoring it?
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:55 am
by Cabd
Ok my ISO says not willing to wagon, early game was too town to let one incident lead to a lynch.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:56 am
by Cabd
The eeebie-jeebies didn't start until post 2552 TBH
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:57 am
by Cabd
I will say three days is WAY more than sufficient to catch up on 3kish posts. That's the only actual post that gave me a "this guy could be scum" moment. The others, upon re-read, are just him engaging you for answers.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 10:33 am
by Andrius
I think Sajin's town. Him being aggressive =/= scum.
In other news, I just got to Valak Mountains and am thoroughly lost.
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:03 am
by GuyInFreezer
Lucky you.
I'm stuck in the town in chapter 1 because I randomly jumped in the water.