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↑ Sakura Hana wrote:

↑ Axelrod wrote:who are your next best guesses for scum?

tictac

@everyone: I've been coming down with a 39ºC fever, hopefully this'll resolve soon, im not stating V/LA because i've already been inactive enough if it lasts enough to last past prod timer then i suggest i am replaced instead of prodded.

I hope you get to feeling better soon! Having a fever sucks.

Sky I have a personal goal to get Cerberus lynched at some point, so whenever I read his ISO its with the intent to scumread him, but so far is usually has failed and cerberus becomes town. It is really frustrating.

Read Cerberus's posts for more context.

Amiham: Town
Axel: Decent content but could be scum by GI
Cerb: kinda town :(
Dram: prolly town
Dave: prolly town
FS: reads are so backwards sometimes that I can’t ever townread this, not obv scum though. Liked early readlist but fakeable. Just frustrating slot. BTW if you are an invest and didn't look at FS for shame.
Mirhawk: don’t like his push on Ranger.
Pistach: IC
Podo: don’t like 834 readlist.
Sakura: no idea how to read, will sort with flips.
Cakez: town 9/10, should not be the lynch at all
Snarky, the fact that this slot is still alive confirms no vig, needs to die.
TPP: too lazy to try to read, sorry
TWL: Town
Tic: Scum but is getting a little townier.
Ogre: town, not sure what that invest thing was
Skybird: wouldn’t stop a lynch, null.

↑ pistachi0n wrote:Yeah, something doesn't add up with Ogre's investigative results on me--at first I thought he might be scum with some investigative role trying to get me quicklynched before I could claim IC, but that doesn't make sense either--maybe he just wanted to draw it out of me?

No way Ogre is bsing a result here, that would be suicide for scum.

↑ Mirhawk wrote:I missed that bit about TWL, now that I think about it I might have been townreading them early too. I don't think I started souring on them for several posts.

I have the impression that you spent a lot of time talking in day one, scumhunting not so much. I'm comparing you here to day one in the Zelda mafia game. You had a day one scumread and you pushed it. Here you just sat on me without doing anything. You never asked me anything or tried to otherwise engage me, and you didn't try to convince anyone else of what you saw in me either.

Ugh, don't make me read Tictac's posts. They are admittedly terrible, I see a lot of questions that make the person shes commenting to look worse without scumreading them. They do look a lot to me though like posts made by someone who is super behind and is trying to get caught up, which kinda explains the weak opinions and the commentary style of posting (I think). Maybe I'll read some of Tictac's other stuff later to see if she makes commentary style posts like that regularly (or maybe I won't, I'm varying levels of lazy).

I feel like I was pushing here stuff though? Maybe not as much as Zelda but I definitely was pushing you for example, I cased both Seniors and you.

I was town with Tictac in Mini 1758 and he did do longer posts like that a lot, but they were usually more useful and focused then the sprays of questions he's doing here.

Snarky is dead itle also, we 99% have a Vig from that *party*

Even if you think ogre is confirmed scum here which he never is you let him live for a while to see what results he gives. I suggest that Ogre full claim tomorrow.

Pedit: cool, its nice that they were hated though.

↑ tictac wrote:VOTE: pist
Back to this. I'll add claiming additional PR instead of claiming flavour to the charges. How the heck is that preferable?

Other news:
- In Cheetory mafia Amihan faked a guilty for reactions (while avoiding being explicit about it). She did this as scum. I wonder if the alt-switch was designed to direct our meta-reading to Marquis games and away from Cheetory :/ I've been writing her off as town from the gambit and I need to stop doing that.
- I'm unconfortable with how podo seems to be following Cakez around (latest instance her vote on me).

The arc of 1.scumread Ranger-slot 2. Townread her from naked reads seems scummy to me. Like he first wanted to scumread a player who is known for her reads and then wanted to townread her once he found out she was off-base.

Podo might feel more comfortable following a scummy path if he's sheeping a townie. I'm still witholding judgement on Cakez since I tunneled him day 1 last game and the things I find scummy here are the things I found scummy there.
- Cakez is right about me being less active here than I was in the mini. He was less active there and town. I don't see how he thinks it's AI. Nevertheless, criticism received. I will endeavor to put more effort in.

I'd like to point out that Ranger's slot looked scummy when the slot was inactive. When Ranger replaced in, and made good posts, I townread her. Oh, by the way, "....then wanted to townread her once he found out she was off-base." Was she off base? She was town, and you just said that Ranger is known for her reads.

I trust there was some truth in Ranger's reads. She had you pretty high as scum in her reads, so it makes sense that you would call her reads "off-base" in the same sentence where you say that she's "known for her reads."

↑ Skybird wrote:

↑ True Ogre wrote:

↑ Skybird wrote:Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Who do you think is scum? When are we going to all realise you're town?

-snip-

I'm having a hard time figuring scum out. I still think FS is scummy, but am concerned that everyone else seems to have shifted away from them. Their posting did change about halfway through D1. FS is smart enough to know that they were being scum read and to shift their comments to seem more town. I also don't think fruit (wig) vendor is AI.

I'm leaning more scum now on tictac. I read through his ISO a few days ago and didn't see much to indicate to me he was scum, but I also didn't see a lot to indicate he was town. That hasn't changed much since I read his ISO and think he could be scum skating by.

I apologize because I'm going to have to finish this up when I get back. Husband just informed me that we have to leave NOW to go look at a boat we are thinking of buying.

True Ogre, I wanted to get back to you on this since I didn't get a chance to finish out.

I want to scum read Mirhawk but I am going back and forth on this read. Part of the reason I want to scum read him is because he is scum reading me and I agree that is a really shitty reason to scum read someone. I don't think he's right on Dave being scum. I have Dave as town. Most of the things Mirhawk has pointed out against Dave are him asking meaningless questions and not taking strong stances. But town is going to disagree on who we think are scum so again, this isn't a strong reason for scum reading him. I did like post 879 from Mirhawk. That really reads town to me. I don't agree with calling FS town just because they are a fruit vendor which Mirhawk is basically doing. If I was a mod this would be a great scum role just because most people do read it as a town role. I also didn't like that Mirhawk didn't seem to give any consideration to those of us saying Ranger was town. Anyway, this is basically the argument I am having with myself about whether Mirhawk is town or scum.

↑ SirCakez wrote:

Why tictac is scum (yeah I went through ISO to back up stuff)

The early note about TWL's "I missed you so much" being forced was bullshit to start.

142 - is a gross early fencesit to start his Seniors read

144 - 175 has a bizarre defense of Seniors that looks like WKing. This was questioned by multiple people.

Then in 483 after an extended absence, Seniors randomly becomes a scumread?

After this he disappears for an extended period of time and then dumps two walls full of things that look like they serve no purpose other then looking like he's doing something 1203 and 1361

Then 1603 is yet another bad wall with a sheeping Seniors vote at the end. Develops a random Ranger scumread here with no explanation.

And then....that's it. He disappeared at deadline, scummy in itself.

His posts today have consisted of a sheep onto now-confirmed Pist and then an also-sheeped Dram vote, then back to Pist, then finally a weak Podo vote in 2578 despite nearly no mention of him in the wall preceding.

Tl;dr

-Sheeps random wagons, very little solo pushes that go anywhere
-Disappeared at deadline
-Develops random scumreads (Ranger, Seniors) to fit where the leading wagons are.

Since I've had these nagging feelings of dislike for TicTac, I decided to take a close look at this to see if I actually agreed with it.

Turns out what I agree with is that I don't like TicTac's big walls of "catch-up" posts with random questions to people. And that he hasn't done anything today. But a lot of this is just wrong.

I don't think #142 is a "fencesit" except in the sense that anytime you say you have no opinion about someone you are "fencesitting," which is silly. And it's especially silly early on in the game. , later, you could argue that someone really ought to have more of an opinion about another player in the game who has done X, Y, and Z. But even then, you can still waffle on people. Believe me, I know.

#144- 175 isn't a defense of Seniors at all, it's him questioning Beeboy for expressing such a strong opinion about Seniors when Seniors hadn't done anything to merit such a strong opinion. I believe I said essentially the exact same thing in one of my own posts. I don't like accusations of "White Knighting" in general. It's one of those vague, fuzzy accusations that sounds sinister but doesn't really mean anything. Arguments are good or bad. If you point out a bad argument you're not (necessarily) "defending" the person who the argument was being made against. You might have no opinion of them at all. And why that would make you more likely to be scum in the first instance never made any sense to me. Like, am I White-Knighting TicTac right now? I don't think so.

#483 you are completely misrepresenting. This was not a "random" switch to a scumread on Seniors. I mean, he explains it in the very first part of the post. This is after Seniors made that string of posts which I (along with several other people) criticized him for. What's "random" about it?

I agree #1203 and #1361 are underwhelming as big "catch-up" posts. If anything I would have though you would have brought up that in #1203, TicTac seems to be expressing suspicion of you, without actually saying it. He asks TWL why they are Townleaning you (twice, including one "Whyy?"). He asks podo why he is Townreading you. But he never says that he himself is scum-reading you, and looking back it doesn't look like he said anything about you prior to this, except that he with a push on you in #483. #1361 isn't much of anything. I do note that he at least mentions Ranger in this post and that he doesn't like how Rangers ended up with the top two wagons as her best scum reads when she came in (which was a pretty commonly held opinion, of course).

#1646 (not 1603) is not actually bad. And you are again seriously misrepresenting when you say TicTac has developed a "random" Rangers scumread with no explanation. Completely aside from the fact that he said something about Rangers in #1361, he also mentions his issues with Ranger in this very same post you are saying has no explanation. How do you get that?

He was absent for the deadline, so that's not great. It's hard to label it "scummy" though. If you are assuming a scum TicTac trying to stay low as the Town lynched a Townie, I don't even see why he would need to do that as scum. He was already on record as thinking Ranger was scummy, so whether he was there to vote or not, he's still on record. It would look worse (to me) if the person who was being lynched was someone that TicTac had previously .

And, yeah, today has been underwhelming. I did like how TicTac reacted to Amihan's fake replace out. Because I do think that Ami/Marquis are likely Town, and I think it's at least a little less likely that a scum TicTac begs Amihan to stay like that. But maybe there's a relationship there I am unaware of? Podo vote is bad.

I don't know. This isn't doing much for me one way or the other. I'm going to post it anyway because I wrote it, but it's kind of a big "meh."

yo itle

I'm so tired of these prod dodges. Vig shot the wrong person last night.

I'm tired of scum coasting, but we can't have everything we want.

Prod dodging and doing nothing with your time is coasting, but hey, whatever you say, dramonic.

If you have scumreads that nobody seems to agree with (which you clearly do), how about making cases instead of......whatever you're doing with your time.

Or you can just continue to be obvscum, that works too.

You really have no idea what coasting means, it's super endearing.

↑ dramonic wrote:I'm tired of scum coasting, but we can't have everything we want.

Do we have Irony Awards on this site? If so, can I nominate this post?

Hi podo 'not the vigi' boq, thanks for dropping by. Also Axel when you started your long post, were you intending to support or not support cake?

hi itlepip!

@dram: he endearing, you're right. why are you scumreading such an endearing creature?

@errant i read the first 38 posts in your iso and it took me 3 hours and then i ran out of reading comprehension but maybe soon there will be more reading comprehensions. i'm having a lot of trouble using language lately, just short windows of clarity that aren't long enough to get everything done in but i'll keep trying.

↑ podoboq wrote:I'm not voting based off of NKA (night kill assessment, right?). If you're going to accuse me of something, it's more sheeping than anything else.

I don't actually find NKA scummy. I asked about that because didn't follow your logic.
Sheeping is indeed what I find scummy about you.
- Sheeping Cakez & asking him to make a case looks like you are avoiding voicing opinions of your own.
- Deadtown sheep would make sense from town-you, but I don't actually see evidence if it affecting your reads.

↑ SirCakez wrote:I don't have every one of your posts ingrained in my head.

Pist was in my scumreads for quite a while.

↑ Axelrod wrote:I was under the impression that podo already didn't like you from before.

2492

↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:tictac's 2578 kinda rubs me the wrong way.

Thanks for reminding me.

↑ tictac wrote:

↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:
tictac's 1203 I take issue with

What is the issue?

You didn't answer this. You keep saying things like this and not backing it up.

↑ True Ogre wrote:I also love the conflicting emotion of being townread for what I think is a bad reason.

Nah. That read was the first think from Seniors that I really liked.

↑ True Ogre wrote:I got a tickle from the "can it on the PR spec guize" comment

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p7654096

↑ itlepip wrote:VOTE: tic 7 pages in, this might be a hammer idc, tic is scum

I'm not thou :/

↑ Marquis wrote:No need for platitudes. It's a valid line of inquiry.

It really isn't. The IC-thing was unpredictable. Without it we would have lynched pist and Ogre would have been next. Would have been suicidal for scum to do that.

↑ SirCakez wrote:(yeah I went through ISO to back up stuff)

At least you are giving reasons. The scumread-first-then-ISO-cases are null for you, but it does make you really opaque as to your actual reasons. Makes the cases hard to take seriously.

The early note about TWL's "I missed you so much" being forced was bullshit to start.

No it wasn't.

142 - is a gross early fencesit to start his Seniors read

Null is null.

144 - 175 has a bizarre defense of Seniors that looks like WKing. This was questioned by multiple people.

It was. I still don't get why.

Then in 483 after an extended absence, Seniors randomly becomes a scumread?

Cause he actually had content at that point and it was scummy.

After this he disappears for an extended period of time and then dumps two walls full of things that look like they serve no purpose other then looking like he's doing something 1203 and 1361

Catching up.

Then 1603 is yet another bad wall with a sheeping Seniors vote at the end. Develops a random Ranger scumread here with no explanation.

That's a post by Spif. What post are you referring to here?

And then....that's it. He disappeared at deadline, scummy in itself.

I got other stuff to do.

His posts today have consisted of a sheep onto now-confirmed Pist

Still don't get how you'd miss my scumread on pist yesterday. Specially with you doing an ISO on me.

and then an also-sheeped Dram vote

Dram-should-speak-more vote. Also wanted to see if he'd increase activity like last time he was wagoned, but the pist thing intervened and there was no real wagon.

then back to Pist,

Again: pist was a scumread for a good while.

then finally a weak Podo vote in 2578 despite nearly no mention of him in the wall preceding.

The preceding 'wall': 2487
'nearly no mention' is a huge misrep.

↑ Mirhawk wrote:I do have the impression that her posts wouldn't look so shitty if they were distributed through the thread rather then bunched up in quotewalls.

I can do that from now on. I don't get why, but whatevs.

yo plotty was 2660 towny or scummy? Cause I'm pretty sure it is super alignment indicative I just keep on flipping on which way.

I'm on mobile so can't go through that whole wall, but I'm putting the main reasons for my scumreads at the end of those cases I do. The ISO thing is just to back it up.

↑ SirCakez wrote:No way Ogre is bsing a result here, that would be suicide for scum.

Ya might be town.

↑ podoboq wrote:I'd like to point out that Ranger's slot looked scummy when the slot was inactive. When Ranger replaced in, and made good posts, I townread her. Oh, by the way, "....then wanted to townread her once he found out she was off-base." Was she off base? She was town, and you just said that Ranger is known for her reads.

If ye'r scum you would know.
Her top-scum were Seniors & Mirhawk, then me.
I townread Mir, Seniors might be scum, but not in my top 3.
I know I'm town.
So yeah, there's a decent possibility that she was off base.