Turn of Camn ~FIN~

Pine · Post Post #2650 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:03 pm

In post 2642, BBmolla wrote:Thoughts Pine?

You're actually soliciting WIFOM?

SURE.

Conspiracy theory: There isn't a fourth scum. You're all Town. You actually do have to lynch me to win, or I pick you off one by one.

camn · Post Post #2651 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:19 pm

In post 2648, BBmolla wrote:The only way she couldn't be is if she was a second Godfather, which, tbh, I think Alisae would provide us more clues to infer that in some way.

OK, I agree. So you have two relatively-seasoned conf-town players to convince.
We are leaning scum on you for the reasons described, on setup-spec, on whatever.. but we are NOT leaning town on you because of our own crapcase scumplay. So Bluster is probably not gonna be effective here.
We are open to reason.
So reason.

A meta-argument- "this is not my scum meta" is no argument at all. I have won

literally

1,000,000 scumgames with that argument, and also it will not fly... be it true or false.
The BEST case, of course.. is

not

why you are town.. it is who is the last scum . That's what we are interested in. And it is your chance to shine

Aristo? Or Keychain?

You

maybe

made some points earlier while ranting.. but they were hard for me to see cuz my eyes were rolling too hard (i know! Im trying to quit!)... so lets hear it more coherent this time!

Aristophanes · Post Post #2652 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:25 pm

In post 2649, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2647, Aristophanes wrote:I can compile this, gimme a minute.

Do you want all dead actions we know of or just the ones pertaining to us?
all if you got time

Cool, this'll take a bit of time, but let's see what I can do!

Aristophanes · Post Post #2653 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:00 pm

I think this does it!

D1: Lynched mastina
N1: LLD Redirects Implosion onto Brian Skies/Mathdino
Centipede Syndrome dies

D2: Lynched Mathdino/Brian Skies
N2: Aristophanes Protects NSG
Keychain/Parama Busdrives LLD and Shos
Firebringer Dies

D3: Lynched Implosion
N3: LLD Redirects MariaR onto Shos
xReckonerx Dies

D4: Lynched Madoka and Homura/kuuhaku
N4: Aristophanes Protects Ginngie
Keychain/Parama Busdrives nobody
MariaR Dies

D5: Lynched Shos
N5: LLD Redirects Katsuki/Mulch onto Ginngie
Ginngie Dies

D6: Lynched Katsuki/Mulch, Vengekills Lady Lambdadelta
N6: Aristophanes Protects NSG
Keychain/Parama Busdrives NSG and DrippingGoofball
NSG Dies

BBmolla · Post Post #2654 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:33 pm

In post 2651, camn wrote:
In post 2648, BBmolla wrote:The only way she couldn't be is if she was a second Godfather, which, tbh, I think Alisae would provide us more clues to infer that in some way.
OK, I agree. So you have two relatively-seasoned conf-town players to convince.
We are leaning scum on you for the reasons described, on setup-spec, on whatever.. but we are NOT leaning town on you because of our own crapcase scumplay. So Bluster is probably not gonna be effective here.
We are open to reason.
So reason.

A meta-argument- "this is not my scum meta" is no argument at all. I have won
literally
1,000,000 scumgames with that argument, and also it will not fly... be it true or false.
The BEST case, of course.. is
not
why you are town.. it is who is the last scum . That's what we are interested in. And it is your chance to shine

Aristo? Or Keychain?

You
maybe
made some points earlier while ranting.. but they were hard for me to see cuz my eyes were rolling too hard (i know! Im trying to quit!)... so lets hear it more coherent this time!

Fuck EVERYTHING I said

I think Keychain is telling the truth about role and last night's action but lying about n4 and n2 actions (And likely n1 and n3 and n5 night actions) and likely used them instead to kill the nk target

Mafia 2-shot Roleblocker, Mafia Bus Driver, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Goon VS. Town Paranoid Cop, Town Fruit Vendor Arsonist(Which gets all kinds of fucked up by Bus Driver, Redirector, and Nexus keep in mind), Vengeful, Odd-night Recruiter, Even-Night Doctor, Miller is the most balanced setup you can get out of these claims.

FUCK I wish we had more night actions to analyze. Where the fuck did Firebringer's first fruit go???

@mod: If there was a paranoid cop, would they get innocent on the Godfather?

BBmolla · Post Post #2655 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:33 pm

In post 2650, Pine wrote:
In post 2642, BBmolla wrote:Thoughts Pine?
You're actually soliciting WIFOM?

SURE.

Conspiracy theory: There isn't a fourth scum. You're all Town. You actually do have to lynch me to win, or I pick you off one by one.

you failed my shit test I'm disappointed

BBmolla · Post Post #2656 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:36 pm

And I wasn't thinking straight, DGB wouldn't be a Godfather because if DGB wasn't a Paranoid Cop there wouldn't be a cop

I quite literally can't think of any role that DGB could have and still be scum. NSG was 100% bus drove because the Doc failed, DGB scum would need to target the other player but if DGB is scum the bus drive is real and DGB can't target herself.

Like aside from bastard modding she has to be town.

Aristophanes · Post Post #2657 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:41 pm

In post 2654, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2651, camn wrote:
In post 2648, BBmolla wrote:The only way she couldn't be is if she was a second Godfather, which, tbh, I think Alisae would provide us more clues to infer that in some way.
OK, I agree. So you have two relatively-seasoned conf-town players to convince.
We are leaning scum on you for the reasons described, on setup-spec, on whatever.. but we are NOT leaning town on you because of our own crapcase scumplay. So Bluster is probably not gonna be effective here.
We are open to reason.
So reason.

A meta-argument- "this is not my scum meta" is no argument at all. I have won
literally
1,000,000 scumgames with that argument, and also it will not fly... be it true or false.
The BEST case, of course.. is
not
why you are town.. it is who is the last scum . That's what we are interested in. And it is your chance to shine

Aristo? Or Keychain?

You
maybe
made some points earlier while ranting.. but they were hard for me to see cuz my eyes were rolling too hard (i know! Im trying to quit!)... so lets hear it more coherent this time!
Fuck EVERYTHING I said

I think Keychain is telling the truth about role and last night's action but lying about n4 and n2 actions (And likely n1 and n3 and n5 night actions) and likely used them instead to kill the nk target

Mafia 2-shot Roleblocker, Mafia Bus Driver, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Goon VS. Town Paranoid Cop, Town Fruit Vendor Arsonist(Which gets all kinds of fucked up by Bus Driver, Redirector, and Nexus keep in mind), Vengeful, Odd-night Recruiter, Even-Night Doctor, Miller is the most balanced setup you can get out of these claims.

FUCK I wish we had more night actions to analyze. Where the fuck did Firebringer's first fruit go???

@mod: If there was a paranoid cop, would they get innocent on the Godfather?

In post 2020, Alisae wrote:
In post 2019, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2018, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Oh.

Godfather + Paranoid cop. How does that interact...
Paranoid Cop always gets a guilty regardless of the other player's role, so I would give a guilty if I were the mod.
However, I could see the argument that Godfather overrides that and gives an Inno, which may be the condition Alisae was talking about!

@Alisae
In theory, if a Paranoid Cop investigates a Godfather, would they get an Innocent or a Guilty result, assuming no other roles or modifiers interfered?
Paranoid cop gets an Inno on a godfather

Asked and answered!

I have to look at Molla and Keychain. We have to get this right!
Molla's flail is looking more like an honest reaction to all of this and I actually do like their points. With the apartment hunt and a

V/LA Saturday through Monday

as I am camping this long weekend, I'll be slow to analyze everything. We have the time though! Let's use it!!!

Aristophanes · Post Post #2658 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:43 pm

In post 2654, BBmolla wrote:Mafia 2-shot Roleblocker, Mafia Bus Driver, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Goon VS. Town Paranoid Cop, Town Fruit Vendor Arsonist(Which gets all kinds of fucked up by Bus Driver, Redirector, and Nexus keep in mind), Vengeful, Odd-night Recruiter, Even-Night Doctor, Miller is the most balanced setup you can get out of these claims.

This does make a hell of a lot of sense...

Aristophanes · Post Post #2659 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:44 pm

And by Recruiter you obv mean Redirector, ya?

BBmolla · Post Post #2660 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:45 pm

Let me put it this way as well: If I was scum, what role could I possibly have to balance out the above town power + town even night bus driver?

And yes let's please take our sweet time

BBmolla · Post Post #2661 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:46 pm

Yeah Redirector, my b, Reck is a recruited Mason Nexus so that messed me up

BBmolla · Post Post #2662 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:46 pm

I forgot that as well, a mason nexus

Like that's a LOT of town power

Aristophanes · Post Post #2663 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:52 pm

In post 2660, BBmolla wrote:Let me put it this way as well: If I was scum, what role could I possibly have to balance out the above town power + town even night bus driver?

And yes let's please take our sweet time

I mean, I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

In post 2662, BBmolla wrote:I forgot that as well, a mason nexus

Like that's a LOT of town power

Yeah, I assumed you had that included when you mentioned them fucking up the fruitvendor

I still need to read both of you. Lynching by role is only so reliable, especially with an Alisae game where Pine had some influence on the roles! So Play is a huge factor we need to consider!

I'm willing to give you both a chance

Then the scum will fall!

Alisae · Post Post #2664 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 5:10 pm

In post 2654, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2651, camn wrote:
In post 2648, BBmolla wrote:The only way she couldn't be is if she was a second Godfather, which, tbh, I think Alisae would provide us more clues to infer that in some way.
OK, I agree. So you have two relatively-seasoned conf-town players to convince.
We are leaning scum on you for the reasons described, on setup-spec, on whatever.. but we are NOT leaning town on you because of our own crapcase scumplay. So Bluster is probably not gonna be effective here.
We are open to reason.
So reason.

A meta-argument- "this is not my scum meta" is no argument at all. I have won
literally
1,000,000 scumgames with that argument, and also it will not fly... be it true or false.
The BEST case, of course.. is
not
why you are town.. it is who is the last scum . That's what we are interested in. And it is your chance to shine

Aristo? Or Keychain?

You
maybe
made some points earlier while ranting.. but they were hard for me to see cuz my eyes were rolling too hard (i know! Im trying to quit!)... so lets hear it more coherent this time!
Fuck EVERYTHING I said

I think Keychain is telling the truth about role and last night's action but lying about n4 and n2 actions (And likely n1 and n3 and n5 night actions) and likely used them instead to kill the nk target

Mafia 2-shot Roleblocker, Mafia Bus Driver, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Goon VS. Town Paranoid Cop, Town Fruit Vendor Arsonist(Which gets all kinds of fucked up by Bus Driver, Redirector, and Nexus keep in mind), Vengeful, Odd-night Recruiter, Even-Night Doctor, Miller is the most balanced setup you can get out of these claims.

FUCK I wish we had more night actions to analyze. Where the fuck did Firebringer's first fruit go???

@mod: If there was a paranoid cop, would they get innocent on the Godfather?

Refer to 2020

Aristophanes · Post Post #2665 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 5:14 pm

Beat you to it Alibae!

Take that! XD

Pine · Post Post #2666 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 5:18 pm

So...I want to stir the pot, but this is going swimmingly.

Carry on.

BBmolla · Post Post #2667 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 5:35 pm

In post 2666, Pine wrote:So...I want to stir the pot, but this is going swimmingly.

Carry on.

Say more please

Pine · Post Post #2668 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 5:40 pm

No, please, you all are doing beautifully.

I’ll just microwave some popcorn, mmkay?

That and prepare my victory speech. This is probably the greatest comeback ever.

I swear, without Ellibereth, this might have been a clean sweep. Well...Mastina had a death wish, but other than that.

camn · Post Post #2669 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:32 pm

We need DGB's night actions, for completion's sake.

Aristophanes · Post Post #2670 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2018 6:31 am

Okay, so camp was cancelled but now I am moving on Wednesday...so

V/LA Monday-Thursday
Cancel the last V/LA

What a life.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #2671 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2018 8:39 am

In post 2628, BBmolla wrote:DGB you’ve seen my town and scum play, why are you convinced I’m scum here? Like I’m honestly really baffles and frustrated.

OK who's the scum, then.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #2672 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2018 8:42 am

In post 2669, camn wrote:We need DGB's night actions, for completion's sake.

I picked someone every night, they were all maifa.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #2673 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2018 8:43 am

If not molla then it's Keychain

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #2674 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2018 8:44 am

Keychain replaced in the Parama scumslot too...