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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:12 am
by wavemode
In post 2639, Golden Robster wrote:flavor leaf is near the middle of your reads
do you believe it's good to have fluid reads

or to take hard stances

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:13 am
by Hopkirk
So how're everyone's read lists looking?

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:15 am
by Golden Robster
having fluid reads and taking hard stances are both important

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:17 am
by wavemode
well my townread of FL has deteriorated today, as i explained in 2524

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:30 am
by Lalendra
In post 2551, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 2549, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2533, Andriod18 wrote:
In post 2503, Lalendra wrote:Those are good points. I'm not sure what to make of the language and attitude in KK's posts - as you said, it is his town meta, but would be easy to fake - but the fact that KK ignored the Android wagon is very troubling to me.

As a matter of fact, I also would like to see more from Android.

VOTE: Andriod18
This would imply you scumread KK as my partner yes? Let's change that
VOTE: Kublai Khan
Are you saying one vote should be enough to make me go "Oh wow, they're definitely not scumbuddies because Android would NEVER bus, I guess he's locktown now!"
Yeah if anything I read this as the opposite. Like android wants you to think he's buddies w/ KK.
Wait, how? He literally said "You think KK is my partner? Let's change that" and then votes. I don't see how that could be construed the way you're reading it.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:39 am
by Lalendra
In post 2633, wavemode wrote:I'm just looking for some sort of evidence from either of you that this wasn't just scum distancing
This is where I am at on the GROB/FL mason claim as well. As soon as I saw Rob's confirmation of his mason role with FL I thought, how do we know they are legit masons and not just scumbuddies gambling on there not being any real masons to CC them?

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:40 am
by Lalendra
To be clear, I don't currently SR either of them. But I don't want to promote them to locktown status until I can resolve that "what if" to my own satisfaction. Obviously if one of them flips mason, the other is automatically cleared.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:41 am
by Lalendra
In post 2642, Golden Robster wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Wait, I'm so confused. So Rob isn't really a mason, he claimed mason with FL just to call FL's bluff, and then FL didn't react? hmm. This changes things.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:48 am
by JarJarDrinks
In post 2654, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2551, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 2549, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2533, Andriod18 wrote:
In post 2503, Lalendra wrote:Those are good points. I'm not sure what to make of the language and attitude in KK's posts - as you said, it is his town meta, but would be easy to fake - but the fact that KK ignored the Android wagon is very troubling to me.

As a matter of fact, I also would like to see more from Android.

VOTE: Andriod18
This would imply you scumread KK as my partner yes? Let's change that
VOTE: Kublai Khan
Are you saying one vote should be enough to make me go "Oh wow, they're definitely not scumbuddies because Android would NEVER bus, I guess he's locktown now!"
Yeah if anything I read this as the opposite. Like android wants you to think he's buddies w/ KK.
Wait, how? He literally said "You think KK is my partner? Let's change that" and then votes. I don't see how that could be construed the way you're reading it.
I'm saying that this is the way I'm interpreting it.

In other words, I believe he purposefully wanted to make it look like a weak attempt at distancing.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:52 am
by Vaxkiller
In post 2657, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2642, Golden Robster wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Wait, I'm so confused. So Rob isn't really a mason, he claimed mason with FL just to call FL's bluff, and then FL didn't react? hmm. This changes things.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
This is so bizarre.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:02 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2651, Hopkirk wrote:So how're everyone's read lists looking?
No fucking clue, haven't read most of d2

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:02 am
by Gamma Emerald
I'm seeing a couple flavor leaf votes
why?

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:06 am
by JarJarDrinks
In post 2661, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm seeing a couple flavor leaf votes
why?
because in order to lynch someone you need to put votes on them.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:16 am
by Kublai Khan
I'm behind. I'll get caught up later tonight.

(Yes, I realize the irony.)

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:10 am
by TehBrawlGuy
timetravelling from where I left off:
In post 2548, Lalendra wrote:
In post 2515, Golden Robster wrote:
In post 2474, Lalendra wrote:Mylo slipped down to scumlean on my list with that vote on PP. I don't see any reason for it at all, and
it seemed like he was opportunistically picking on someone that he knew was not around when he was pressured to throw down a vote.
talk to me why you believe this?
Because of the progression. Mylo doesn't mention PP anywhere in his ISO and then:
In post 2417, PenguinPower wrote:Responding to my prod. I'm busy tonight and tomorrow morning, but I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.
In post 2437, Myloninja13 wrote:
In post 2436, texcat wrote:Are you going to vote for anyone?
I guess I could VOTE: PP because OMGUS and they haven't really done anything to town read them on.
He hadn't mentioned Mylo since his vote for him in 1947 - 470 posts earlier. Mylo dropped a vote there when asked for a vote and came up with some weak reasoning, didn't even really try to back it up. So, it looked like he was opportunistically throwing a vote on someone who had literally just said they wouldn't be around to defend themselves and using OMGUS and vague "I don't see any reason for them to be town so they must be scum" as an excuse.
this is perhaps a bit blunt, but is mylo a weak scum player? i actually view this as a towntell if he's not b/c I think Scum are generally a little bit more worried about appearance. this seems much more town-realizing-he's-not-voting with a dash of lazy

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:24 am
by Ircher
Day 2 VC #19Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (5) - Hopkirk (2346), Gamma Emerald (2488), Flavor Leaf (2499), Andriod18 (2533), PenguinPower (2572)
WhemeStar (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (1) - Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (1) - Pine (1936)
Texcat (0) -
TehBrawlGuy (0) -
Vaxkiller (1) - Kublai Khan (2423)
Wavemode (0) -
PenguinPower (2) - EspeciallyTheLies (1996), Myloninja13 (2437)
Myloninja13 (4) - Creature (1941), Vaxkiller (2472), Texcat (2552), Ausuka (2574)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (5) - WhemeStar (2542), Wavemode (2635), JarJarDrinks (2640), Golden Robster (2642), Lalendra (2657)
Not Voting (3) - Frozen Angel, Scioness Sajj, TehBrawlGuy (2535)

Lynch ThresholdDuring day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline
Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator NotesFrozen Angel is V/LA until July 11.
Seeking a replacement for EspeciallyTheLies.
If you have consistent weekend V/LA, you must remind me every weekend, or I will prod you. Alternatively, you can set V/LA tags each weekend.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History
Day 2Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) --> WhemeStar (2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) --> Flavor Leaf (2642)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423)
WhemeStar: Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) --> Flavor Leaf (2542)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346)
Gamma Emerald: Kublai Khan (2488)
Ausuka
: PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) --> Flavor Leaf (2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) --> Flavor Leaf (2657)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) --> Flavor Leaf (2327) --> (Null) (2612) --> Flavor Leaf (2640)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy: (Null) (2535)
Vaxkiller: WhemeStar (2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) --> Flavor Leaf (2635)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572)
Myloninja13: PenguinPower (2437)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499)


Spoiler: Previous Voting History
Day 1
Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):
Osuka
(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->
Osuka
(1758) -->
Performer
(1782)
Srceenplay
(0): (Null)
Performer
(5):
Osuka
(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->
Performer
(1849)*
Joral
(0): (Null)
Almost50
(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->
Osuka
(390) -->
Ausuka
(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):
Almost50
(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->
Osuka
(236) --> --> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):
Osuka
(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):
Performer
(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->
Performer
(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->
Performer
(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):
Osuka
(76) -->
Almost50
(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->
Osuka
(725) -->
Performer
(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):
Osuka
(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->
Osuka
(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->
Performer
(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->
Performer
(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->
Almost50
(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> (Null) (1889)^
Ausuka
(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->
Performer
(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):
Almost50
(209) --> (Null) (559) -->
Performer
(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):
Almost50
(83) -->
Performer
(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):
Performer
(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->
Performer
(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):
Osuka
(85) -->
Almost50
(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->
Osuka
(535) -->
Ausuka
(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)
Osuka
(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->
Performer
(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->
Performer
(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->
Performer
(1384)
Texcat (4):
Osuka
(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->
Osuka
(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->
Performer
(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->
Performer
(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->
Performer
(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->
Osuka
(867) -->
Performer
(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->
Osuka
(681)
PenguinPower (1):
Performer
(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->
Performer
(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):
Ausuka
(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->
Performer
(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-GameDunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay
(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):
Osuka
(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):
Osuka
(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka
(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):
Osuka
(31)

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:34 am
by TehBrawlGuy
fuck all y'all for not assisting me in getting up to speed btw

anyway, I agree with whoever said masons + fulltown neighborhood is unlikely, so I'm pretty OK lynching in that pool. FL's partner needs to claim.

Out of neighborhood + FL, who should I read up on? Can someone give me a breakdown of everything that's happened related to the hood/its players?

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:43 am
by Hopkirk
I'm concerned about the number of people asking FL to fullclaim when he's got 5 votes on him. Attracting more votes after a PR claim that weren't there before seems like prime position for scum rolefishing. Nobody's asked KK to claim yet (and he shouldn't be expect to).

Most obviously applicable to Lalendra. I'd need to look back on who said he should have a partner claim but hasn't voted him.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:51 am
by TehBrawlGuy
I think it makes sense given the neighborhood. I want to lynch out of masons+neighbors, and I can't really evaluate who to lynch out of that until I know who the mason pair are.

for sake of clarification, though, I don't want a fullclaim if he has other modifiers or attributes, I just want to know who his partner is

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:53 am
by Hopkirk
Why would you want to lynch within masons if a partner claimed?

Based on what you've said (wanting to lynch within masons/neighs)
Either you doubt the claim, in which case you should want to lynch FL.
Or you believe the claim and you should want to lynch Wave.

But you're saying you want a mason partner to claim
then
you want to vote within the 3 people. That definitely doesn't make sense.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:57 am
by Hopkirk
How about you catch up by readin some ISOs?

Also 'fuck all y'all for not assisting me in getting up to speed btw'- what exactly do you want us to point you to? In general?

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:59 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2667, Hopkirk wrote:I'm concerned about the number of people asking FL to fullclaim when he's got 5 votes on him. Attracting more votes after a PR claim that weren't there before seems like prime position for scum rolefishing. Nobody's asked KK to claim yet (and he shouldn't be expect to).

Most obviously applicable to Lalendra. I'd need to look back on who said he should have a partner claim but hasn't voted him.
Post noted for later.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:03 am
by Hopkirk
Hood
-Ausuka the IC
-Performer the lynched veneful
-Wave the living

If you want to lynch in the neighbourhood, you want to lynch Wave.

Can masons even have modifiers in a normal?

I'd suggest looking at KK (where I'm voting), FL (to decide if you buy the claim), Wave (Neighbour), Android (yesterday's leading lynch for a time and only survivor of a large wagon), and the other lurkers since it'll be quick (Wheme, yourself, Mylo, Scion, Pine whoever else slips my mind due to lack of presence).

Time to sleep.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:10 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2672, Hopkirk wrote:Hood
-Ausuka the IC
-Performer the lynched veneful
-Wave the living

If you want to lynch in the neighbourhood, you want to lynch Wave.

Can masons even have modifiers in a normal?

I'd suggest looking at KK (where I'm voting), FL (to decide if you buy the claim), Wave (Neighbour), Android (yesterday's leading lynch for a time and only survivor of a large wagon), and the other lurkers since it'll be quick (Wheme, yourself, Mylo, Scion, Pine whoever else slips my mind due to lack of presence).

Time to sleep.
You can have as many modifiers on top of your one role I believe, and mason is a role iirc

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:29 am
by TehBrawlGuy
In post 2669, Hopkirk wrote:Why would you want to lynch within masons if a partner claimed?

Based on what you've said (wanting to lynch within masons/neighs)
Either you doubt the claim, in which case you should want to lynch FL.
Or you believe the claim and you should want to lynch Wave.

But you're saying you want a mason partner to claim
then
you want to vote within the 3 people. That definitely doesn't make sense.
I don't see what's so hard to get about it. One of those lynches is probably a mislynch, getting FL's partner to claim helps me determine which it is. I could lynch Wave now, I guess, and leave the second mason unclaimed, but I'd rather lynch more accurately.
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