Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void [Game Over]

[RadiantCowbells]

Am I the only person who just site navigates

[Liger_Zero]

Never seen anyone do that.

In your set of N=1, that is, you? Since....I mean, why would you have intimate knowledge of how anyone else navigates the website to read hydra games?

I seen hydras from other sites. I figured people use them about the same as anyone. Its a secondary account. Why would you log onto it for any other purposes then to be playing your game its in. Which Hydra was specifically not doing by posting. Which told me he was online for other purposes then playing the game. And since the hydra was in 0 other games. I thought, yeah that's scum.

Hydra was scum for other reasons. This just pushed me over the line from "leaning scum" to "definitely scum"

[Liger_Zero]

Also not sure why you are upset over it. No one was really convinced by my reasoning/logic.

I think moongrass moved his voted but that was it?

[Krazy]

Like seriously, it's too easy/dumb for people to get caught because they have purely unsafe claims(like in this case, a mod provided claim that directly overlapped with an existing town role...one that was likely to become confirmed as town via mechanically catching scum).

I mean in Starcraft 2 my mod-provided fakeclaim directly overlapped with a real town role... I think the other issue was that Volxen needed to adjust his roleclaim to be n2 or n3+

I will say that town asked for significantly more help with fakeclaims this game than scum did 0.o

[Liger_Zero]

Thank you for my fake claim btw.

[Cerberus v666]

Never seen anyone do that.

In your set of N=1, that is, you? Since....I mean, why would you have intimate knowledge of how anyone else navigates the website to read hydra games?

I seen hydras from other sites. I figured people use them about the same as anyone. Its a secondary account. Why would you log onto it for any other purposes then to be playing your game its in. Which Hydra was specifically not doing by posting. Which told me he was online for other purposes then playing the game. And since the hydra was in 0 other games. I thought, yeah that's scum.

Hydra was scum for other reasons. This just pushed me over the line from "leaning scum" to "definitely scum"

I get that point...but for some reason you're differentiating between "playing the game" and "reading the game".

The night login thing was silly, and I don't even care about, because they could just as easily have been reading the game to catch up as posting in a scum PT...so that whole tell is just really dumb, and easily defended against.

The idea that someone can only ever log into their hydra account to post in a game, and not even log in to just read, though? That's just wrong. Like, so wrong.

pedit: Not upset, you're just objectively wrong about the assertion you're making, and I generally don't let people just...be wrong about things.

Reason why I brought up the whole moongrass kill/not kill reasoning thing.

[Krazy]

Not a hydra. You log onto your hydra to post. Not read games.

eh I'd say people also sometimes log on to their hydra because they think *they might post* but sometimes they log on to the wrong account

I feel like there's players in this game that pretty regularly log onto their hydras to post to the wrong game and only catch themselves before they do so some of the time

[Liger_Zero]

My role is protoss observer

ohhh god this is funny....

I just realized that the fake claim I asked for had the same flavor of Observer.

I lied about this btw to get a reaction from Volxen and never got one. Should have pressed this harder to, but it was pretty much ignored lol.

[Liger_Zero]

Not a hydra. You log onto your hydra to post. Not read games.

eh I'd say people also sometimes log on to their hydra because they think *they might post* but sometimes they log on to the wrong account

I feel like there's players in this game that pretty regularly log onto their hydras to post to the wrong game and only catch themselves before they do so some of the time

Sure, but Hydra defense of my point was not townie either

[Krazy]

I think observer I provided as a sample flavor fakeclaim to literally everyone who asked for an investigative role

Like the sample fakeclaim for Volxen was meant to give a sense of how a fakeclaim post would be structured, but with claimed masons and a flipped cop JOAT I definitely would have second guessed making an investigative fakeclaim

[Liger_Zero]

Never seen anyone do that.

In your set of N=1, that is, you? Since....I mean, why would you have intimate knowledge of how anyone else navigates the website to read hydra games?

I seen hydras from other sites. I figured people use them about the same as anyone. Its a secondary account. Why would you log onto it for any other purposes then to be playing your game its in. Which Hydra was specifically not doing by posting. Which told me he was online for other purposes then playing the game. And since the hydra was in 0 other games. I thought, yeah that's scum.

Hydra was scum for other reasons. This just pushed me over the line from "leaning scum" to "definitely scum"

I get that point...but for some reason you're differentiating between "playing the game" and "reading the game".

The night login thing was silly, and I don't even care about, because they could just as easily have been reading the game to catch up as posting in a scum PT...so that whole tell is just really dumb, and easily defended against.

The idea that someone can only ever log into their hydra account to post in a game, and not even log in to just read, though? That's just wrong. Like, so wrong.

pedit: Not upset, you're just objectively wrong about the assertion you're making, and I generally don't let people just...be wrong about things.

Reason why I brought up the whole moongrass kill/not kill reasoning thing.

And hydra could have said that. Their defense was in between of trying to blame their other head to denying it happened. Could have said "I was posting in my hydra PT".

[Liger_Zero]

And I took two different screenshots of hydra being online and both of them looked shady to me. One during a time when everyone pressured Hydra but hydra was a no show. The other during the night. I asked Krazy if it was okay if I pushed this or posted it, and he said it wasn't against rules but it was flirting the line. So I didn't post it. I don't think it would have mattered much if I did because again, not many people were convinced of my original reasoning.

[Shiro]

Never seen anyone do that.

I mean I do it as well when I am in a hydra

Also apologies are in order. I should have dropped it and moved on. My bad.

[Liger_Zero]

Also apologies are in order. I should have dropped it and moved on. My bad.

Are you certain you weren't a lyncher?

[Shiro]

I am pretty sure yes :p

[Shiro]

I was really that adamantly certain.

[Liger_Zero]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10949789
^ Pls second Iconeum.

[volxen]

Good game everyone! Yes, Icon turned out to be town's hero.

We did you kill us N1?

Because Auro was a part of your hydra.

[Almost50]

I win! This was such a fun game!

Yeah, you do.. and I'm sorry I mislynched you.

[Cerberus v666]

Not a hydra. You log onto your hydra to post. Not read games.

eh I'd say people also sometimes log on to their hydra because they think *they might post* but sometimes they log on to the wrong account

I feel like there's players in this game that pretty regularly log onto their hydras to post to the wrong game and only catch themselves before they do so some of the time

Sure, but Hydra defense of my point was not townie either

A townie defense didn't exist, liger, because your point didn't exist.

Like, if a town slot had absolutely no idea why they showed up as logging in during the night(which hydra didn't??) they would have said the same thing.

[Liger_Zero]

Didn't know why they showed as logged in? What pipe are you smoking?

[Krazy]

I'd guess one opened a browser where they were auto logged in and neither had any idea they'd even logged in lol

[Liger_Zero]

Wouldn't you be outlogged in on your main not a hydra? Seems weird.

[Cerberus v666]

Didn't know why they showed as logged in? What pipe are you smoking?

As in, they had no recollection of loggin in during the night. Read the scum discord when it is opened up, but yeah. They claimed ignorance to us too.

So yeah, that was a legit, actual, real defense, unless they were lying to their teammates.

So.

A townie defense of the circumstances in question did not exist.

No, I'm not claiming tha thydra was in any way townie, because they weren't.

I do think, however, that I might have to not play games with you because having to change the settings on your MS profile in order to not have to deal with baseless accusations...is really dumb. Dunno, but yeah. Kinda a stupid thing to have to concern yourself with.

[Moongrass]

Liger inspite of your D1 you really turned your slot around. Without you I don't see the win as likely so I'd like to say well done to you for your play and humility.

Ico well done pushing your reads with conviction and being able to untunnel me.

Overall well done town, that was a good game even if I missed every satisfying quicklynch on scum.