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Post Post #2650 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:33 am

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Post Post #2651 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:46 am

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In post 2633, bob3141 wrote:Worst your meta read actualy was nonsense. even if you did get me right, its just how i play

My early town and scum game are exactly teh same. Its just that after i get what i would have made as town i just warp it
I'll be super interested to play with you again from a meta pov. I think you probably already realise I didn't feel super super strongly about the meta case, mostly that I could see this being within your scumrange (from what I saw your town game can be frighteningly intuitive).

The x shot thing was a harder read. I could buy it coming from town trying to e.g. bait a NK, but then the rest of your play was more consistent with a survival mindset then....

Basically I agree my meta on you is half baked which is why I only used it as a talking point then appendix in the finale :P can't wait to see more of your play though.
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Post Post #2652 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:47 am

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In post 2639, bob3141 wrote:I think ironically I think fire getting false clear on me actualy hurt us. I had been playing to what i did last game but no one spotted. Where i was actively trying to get worst to scum read me so I could make him town read blake.

While also setting up a conflict between garmr and worst.

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Post Post #2653 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:12 am

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Post Post #2654 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:00 pm

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The setup was townsided imo
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Post Post #2655 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:35 pm

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In post 2654, chennisden wrote:The setup was townsided imo
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Post Post #2656 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:48 pm

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In post 2655, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2654, chennisden wrote:The setup was townsided imo
Read my rant in the dead thread: no, it very much was not.

If the N1 kill went through, Bob is still viewed as town by Fire, Ank doesn't get lynched, and you go into a D3 Mylo with a falsely cleared scumbag. Falsely. Cleared. In. MYLO. Mislynch, and town loses. Where one of only three non mislynches is off the table as a falseclear.

In that gamestate, what do you think that the players are going to be saying about the setup? They're going to be insisting that there was no way for the town to win, that the setup was scumsided.

You almost had that happen. It's only due to the correct save, which had only a 7.5% chance of succeeding, that you are thinking otherwise.
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Post Post #2657 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:51 pm

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I think Fire thought bob stopped the kill
If a kill happened that logic breaks
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Post Post #2658 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 2657, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Fire thought bob stopped the kill
If a kill happened that logic breaks
It's weakened, not broken. Fire is still told that Bob is a 2x jailkeeper, who visited N1. Unless Fire believed that to be a scum role, he still defends Bob.
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Post Post #2659 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:53 pm

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did i do good

probably not

all this talk about properly scumhunting but not being able to get ur lynch

i got my lynch a lot of the time
but i just cant scumhunt :(
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Post Post #2660 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:54 pm

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also i kinda skimmed the dead thread but thats it

like the walls about whats balanced and whats not was boring to read tbh
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Post Post #2661 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:56 pm

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i thought my early game was pretty obvtown

what made u think my late game was obvtown tho garmr?

tbf you cant really read urself lol
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Post Post #2662 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:57 pm

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In post 2661, emps wrote:
tbf you cant really read urself lol
this wasnt directed at garmr, just in general tbh
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Post Post #2663 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:57 pm

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I actually try to read myself sometimes
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Post Post #2664 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:10 pm

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In post 2661, emps wrote:i thought my early game was pretty obvtown

what made u think my late game was obvtown tho garmr?

tbf you cant really read urself lol
Oh I know what you mean lol. It's hard to read yourself but I read reactions

The way you were thinking about going against gamma tomorrow if he wasn't lynched today. I read your tone and it came off as obvious you actually thought gamma was scum and you were going to lose. So then I looked back and noticed your reaction and your nep on me scum wouldn't of been parinoid.

If you were scum nep you wouldn't admit it and you probs would of killed bob. Your best bet was to admit vanilla townie. Also Gamma being blocked and firebringer being killed means that it was most likely Bob.

Finally this isn't part of the reason but after I town read you when we were lynching gamma and the flip happened when you asked is the game over You were obviously confused about gammas alignment.
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Post Post #2665 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:21 pm

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I thought the set up was balanced.
In post 2300, Garmr wrote:Scum can also use jailkeeper to stop investigative roles on teammates and in this game can give a pseduo clear from firebringers role.

What was the term "Being ignorant about the possibilities."
With the mass claim it became obvious jailkeeper was a pseudo godfather I explained that through Don't think people paid attention.
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Post Post #2666 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:22 pm

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from that pov scum doc would be a better pseudo godfather
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Post Post #2667 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:24 pm

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In post 2666, the worst wrote:from that pov scum doc would be a better pseudo godfather
Probs but mafia scum is in favour of supporting town more with power roles. So the jailkeeper is more likely option. Also jailkeeper is a more common scum role and can be used in more creative ways.
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Post Post #2668 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:26 pm

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In post 2667, Garmr wrote:jailkeeper is a more common scum role
Huh?
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Post Post #2669 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:33 pm

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In post 2668, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2667, Garmr wrote:jailkeeper is a more common scum role
Huh?
out of doctor and jailkeeper. You will see more scum jailkeepers
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Post Post #2670 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:38 pm

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Maybe but each has different inno potential. Doc is a GS inno while JK is allegedly a Rolecop inno
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Post Post #2671 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:12 pm

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Post Post #2672 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:20 pm

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Maybe I'm thinking in terms of all games rather than this one specifically
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Post Post #2673 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:38 pm

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In post 2658, mastina wrote:
In post 2657, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Fire thought bob stopped the kill
If a kill happened that logic breaks
It's weakened, not broken. Fire is still told that Bob is a 2x jailkeeper, who visited N1. Unless Fire believed that to be a scum role, he still defends Bob.
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Post Post #2674 (ISO) » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:42 pm

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ohh it actually said "2 shot"...should read better
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