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[BM, are you scum?]

~Morning

In post 2635, MURDERCAT wrote:He's reading NK and DEB
Next will be Toog and Creature I'm sure

In post 2638, MURDERCAT wrote:Yeah that was shade if it wasn't clear lol

i have no idea why i keep getting shade for not contributing when im doing lots and most people are doing fk all.

anyway i'm voting VOTE: Solstice

that last post was gross, not the kind I'd remotely expect from MT-town.

also in moderately exciting news I believe I've worked out who the masons are, which will certainly help with my solving. so no more readslists from me

In post 2650, Solstice wrote:[BM, are you scum?]

~Morning

no, obviously. I'm now convinced you are though, because you just bad-faithed and mis-repped me to death, and you are the most good-faithy player on this entire site.

or, worst case scenario, you have just completely taken leave of your senses.

In post 2652, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 2650, Solstice wrote:[BM, are you scum?]

~Morning

no, obviously. I'm now convinced you are though, because you just bad-faithed and mis-repped me to death, and you are the most good-faithy player on this entire site.

or, worst case scenario, you have just completely taken leave of your senses.

[Uh huh.. thanks for that]

~Morning

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Battle Mage

Can't do it.

I don't even know the case on Solstice anyways.

[I just spent multiple hours reading and reviewing mastina's entire case for BM being scum because I previously was just dismissing it all -- which BM calls "smart" from me.]

[But now that I've taken the time to actually care and achieve a real verdict based off of the evidence and the entire case presented -- it's gross and I've lost my mind.]

[That is really, really disappointing to hear]

~Morning

VOTE: BM

I believe this is the 6th vote.
If you refuse to give the content I'm asking for then that's all there is left to do.

In post 2653, Solstice wrote:

In post 2652, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 2650, Solstice wrote:[BM, are you scum?]

~Morning

no, obviously. I'm now convinced you are though, because you just bad-faithed and mis-repped me to death, and you are the most good-faithy player on this entire site.

or, worst case scenario, you have just completely taken leave of your senses.

[Uh huh.. thanks for that]

~Morning

dude did you read your post? it was yuck. like doing everything possible to shade me without actually committing.

if you're town, i'm extremely disappointed in that take. bad faith. bleurgh.

Scum-MT would naturally want to move her wagon back on to me. But I know your towngame well, and that is not your style or your standard as town. You are much better than that <3

if Pooky mis-flips me today, I want you flipped tomorrow. sorry!

In post 2656, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: BM

I believe this is the 6th vote.
If you refuse to give the content I'm asking for then that's all there is left to do.

lol fair enough dude

make sure you fade Solstice tomorrow then

Nah I'm gunna go for Noraa still

In post 2655, Solstice wrote:[I just spent multiple hours reading and reviewing mastina's entire case for BM being scum because I previously was just dismissing it all -- which BM calls "smart" from me.]

[But now that I've taken the time to actually care and achieve a real verdict based off of the evidence and the entire case presented -- it's gross and I've lost my mind.]

[That is really, really disappointing to hear]

~Morning

Rephrase?

In post 2655, Solstice wrote:[I just spent multiple hours reading and reviewing mastina's entire case for BM being scum because I previously was just dismissing it all -- which BM calls "smart" from me.]

[But now that I've taken the time to actually care and achieve a real verdict based off of the evidence and the entire case presented -- it's gross and I've lost my mind.]

[That is really, really disappointing to hear]

~Morning

nothing gross about the fact you read it

the fact you read it and framed it to demonstrate something it didn't = gross.

Anyway I think I've achieved something now - outting you as scum, so my death isn't in vain!

In post 2659, MURDERCAT wrote:Nah I'm gunna go for Noraa still

so what did my reads even matter? i half figured as much

[I have a new policy of not voting when I'm pissed off, so.. yeah.]

[I very much hope for BM being scum because he just called my useless, dismissive play "smart" whereas the play I poured hours into is bad faithy, misrepy, and completely insane. How does that make any sense? The only thing that changes is my dismissive attitude towards mastina was helpful to him, whereas when I actually took the time to read, my opinion of him went down.]

[There's no reason to think I'm being bad faith now as opposed to before -- ignoring shit is like the epitome of bad faith and would let me ignore a whole host of scummy things a partner does, or towny things a townie does for example. How he can view me as a slimier player as a result of that post is beyond me. And I don't even think it makes him scum because he'd fully well do that as town just because he tends to base a players' intelligence off their read of him.]

~Morning

In post 2662, Battle Mage wrote:so what did my reads even matter? i half figured as much

I don't think you are flipping town, that's why I'm voting you

In post 2661, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 2655, Solstice wrote:[I just spent multiple hours reading and reviewing mastina's entire case for BM being scum because I previously was just dismissing it all -- which BM calls "smart" from me.]

[But now that I've taken the time to actually care and achieve a real verdict based off of the evidence and the entire case presented -- it's gross and I've lost my mind.]

[That is really, really disappointing to hear]

~Morning

nothing gross about the fact you read it

the fact you read it and framed it to demonstrate something it didn't = gross.

Anyway I think I've achieved something now - outting you as scum, so my death isn't in vain!

[Like, explain? Explain how that post tries to frame you as something you aren't? That was some objective shit. It took me fucking forever to verify too. Mastina's points about you lying about your activity -- inaccurate, as it is possible to explain those points away without lying. Mastina's points about your V/LA activity when compared to other games, as well as how that implies you are scum if the meta is correct --accurate, you are indeed scummier as a result of them. What is your problem with that?]

~Morning

BM what in Solstice's post makes you want to vote them now?

Because just recently gave a pretty noncommittal read on them and now now you want to vote them when they happen to be the next most likely elimination today?

In post 2666, Spiffeh wrote:BM what in Solstice's post makes you want to vote them now?

Because just recently gave a pretty noncommittal read on them and now now you want to vote them when they happen to be the next most likely elimination today?

In post 2663, Solstice wrote:[I have a new policy of not voting when I'm pissed off, so.. yeah.]

[I very much hope for BM being scum because he just called my useless, dismissive play "smart" whereas the play I poured hours into is bad faithy, misrepy, and completely insane. How does that make any sense? The only thing that changes is my dismissive attitude towards mastina was helpful to him, whereas when I actually took the time to read, my opinion of him went down.]

[There's no reason to think I'm being bad faith now as opposed to before -- ignoring shit is like the epitome of bad faith and would let me ignore a whole host of scummy things a partner does, or towny things a townie does for example. How he can view me as a slimier player as a result of that post is beyond me. And I don't even think it makes him scum because he'd fully well do that as town just because he tends to base a players' intelligence off their read of him.]

~Morning

Pretty sure this is town!MT.

[He probably won't even flip scum, that's what's more aggravating than anything else. Here's good old Jigsaw BM arguing with me over bullshit. God damn it dude.]

[Does he even pull this shit on me as scum? Not believing I'm dumb enough to suspect him? I don't know but that's definitely a look I am quite familiar with from my experience with town!BM.]

[Pedit: I guess it's convenient but it's so, so familiar. Again this is why I shouldnt play while pissed, cause yeah I suppose there is scum motivation behind strongly voting for the only other counterwagon. I kinda forgot about that]

~Morning

Ok I'm done for a bit.

Pooks, if you're reading this and I'm dead or near-dead, please elim Solstice tomorrow to avenge me. I really think MT is scum here.

Also if I correctly worked out the masons, do I get a prize?

You probably have to fade me today anyway to keep control of the town, so it's cool - no hard feelings, or emotional trip. We had a damn good ride, and you proved you knew better than those fools. But you gotta do what's in the best interests of the game, and I'm not even sure if this town is capable of doing anything other than mis-fading me here, in order to move on and bring the scum out of the shadows.

I feel strangely at peace. Maybe being mis-elimmed for the first time in 30 odd games is a small price to pay for actually playing a good, intelligent and logical game for once. and i bagged you Solstice, which wouldnt have happened if you burned me earlier.

Do what you have to do, brother. We're always strong. <3

MT, I'm not gonna argue with you when you're in this rage.

I haven't bad-faithed you, or tunnelled you. This isn't remotely like Jigsaw Mafia, and I think that's a pretty low shot to take. I simply called you out for 1 post which I don't think you make as town. If you did make it as town, let's talk about it postgame or whatever, and we can clear the air. Otherwise I'm just gonna tell you I think you're scum here, and there's no personal shot from me.

there's probably a learning point in this game for me, about trying to find a balance between being a paragon of logic and being townread AT THE SAME TIME.

They shouldn't need to be mutually exclusive

but as i say, i think i was always a bit screwed in this game with Mastina in the hotseat, and her obsession with elimming me as quickly as possible in every game. it has felt a bit like most of the other players have just hidden behind that, which in turn makes it hard to work out who is scum.

[You're never going to catch me as scum cause i'll just make sure not to step on your toes ever, lol. You've scumread me in every single game we've ever played as soon as I start going against you. It is.. so familiar. I almost forgot what it feels like]

[pedit: I do want to clarify I don't feel you're intentionally personally attacking me, I just am taking it personal a bit because I tried very hard to be objective with that post and you hand-waved it pretty much for no reason other than because I disagree with you.]

[Like -- in what world is ignoring everything mastina says a smarter me? I feel bad for the "I'm ignoring mastina" comment. You said I was smart and everyone should sheep that stance. That's bs, dude.]

[You can clarify that it's not the act of reading into what mastina says, and you are actually scumreading me for some "Morning misinterprets everything I say and bends it to make me scum here!" bull, ]

~Morning