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omfg. when i entered the neighborhood, bert was keeping things very close to his chest. i told him i was not townreading LC. he said he understood. he started going after LC and questioning his claim. i hadn't caught any claim in my read through of the hood, so i asked him, what did he claim, he says gunsmith, i fucking lol at him, then he starts getting into well why did you say this [insert post where jingle says something about he doesn't know if i blieve what i'm saying or if i'm scum] but it was made after day 2 had started and bert asks him why he made that post if he supposedly checked us and got a clear on n1? jingle evades. heavily. so at first i didn't understand and i asked bert to explain. he quoted posts from the neighborhood and points out what jingle said about his tragets. jingle evades some more and i start interating with him, and i start asking him to explain that whole nonsense, and i start combing their game thread ISO and i start asking him.
and he responds that he didn't make any game thread crumbs because he had the neighborhood. but again he evades our questioning about his n1 investigation and his d2 behavior IN THE HOOD and then night ends and bert ends up dead and the last thing i said to him was wow bert is dead and now so are you and then i made my post in the game thread detailing everything i had found out and we fucking lynched him and now you are trying at actually saying i MADE THAT ALL UP!?? ARE YOU ON DRUGS?
and he responds that he didn't make any game thread crumbs because he had the neighborhood. but again he evades our questioning about his n1 investigation and his d2 behavior IN THE HOOD and then night ends and bert ends up dead and the last thing i said to him was wow bert is dead and now so are you and then i made my post in the game thread detailing everything i had found out and we fucking lynched him and now you are trying at actually saying i MADE THAT ALL UP!?? ARE YOU ON DRUGS?
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Except you're not.↑ EspeciallyTheLies wrote:And then, let's say we did that. Jingle flips town not gunsmith, and then I die.
I was the only one opening today with suspicion on you lying. By POE, you got included...but only by poe. Not for fucking lying about Jingle claiming gunsmith.
You can, and frankly, will, get away with it. You sound so genuine. notscience has been suspicious of me for most of the game. beast's not much better in that regard. You have the play backing you up. You hardcore bussed flubber. You make it sound so convincing that LC lied and was a town fakeclaimer. It's such a perfect guise that frankly you're right. The simpler explanation IS that you're town.
...But I know Jingle wouldn't fakeclaim. I know it. So it all falls apart there. You thought you could paint the 1v1 as not being a 1v1. You thought that once Jingle was lynched, you'd be able to convince us he fakeclaimed. And as proven by almost everyone buying it...you succeeded...except in that one detail that you couldn't control: my experience. I know for a FACT that Jingle hates fakeclaims just as much as you do, ETL. At least investigative fakeclaims. He would never. NEVER. fakeclaim gunsmith. So while you keep on saying he did, and it looks hella-genuine...I know what you're saying is just bullshitted AtE. Because I know Jingle better than you do.
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Yeah, well, if you truly did learn everything from me, you'd know that it IS how *I* would pull the stunt.↑ EspeciallyTheLies wrote:READ THIS TO YOURSELF!!!!!!
IT'S FUCKING NONSENSE MASTIN. i learned everything from YOU!!! are you kidding me with this???? this is not how i work AND YOU KNOW THAT.
'Sides.
Guyett is scum. Of the two Django claims, it's obvious that his is the fakeclaim. Beast softclaimed
day one
by dropping crazy-mad obvious 'crumbs as to his role back then. His play matches that of town-beast, too. (Admittedly I'm not the best, but I think that I'm beginning to grasp the basics.) Then there's the fact that he counterclaimed Guyett in the first place, when doing so only creates a needless 1v1 if he's scum. In contrast, Guyett has done...absolutely nothing the entire game. He's been a lurksack whose best postings have been voteparks, primarily his vote on me for reasons that were bullshit at the time (with admittedly a grain of truth behind them) and continued to be bullshit as he never once. Never once. Updated anything in them.Why is Guyett's alignment relevant, here? Because you, the alleged Guyett expert, have been advocating him as being town the entire game. That would be a pretty epic failure on your part. He wasn't a mere townread. He was someone you forbid the town from EVER lynching. So you tell me, which is more likely? That Guyett had managed to completely and entirely fool you, or that you're scum with him?
Then there's the fact that I've had notscience as town the whole game.
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I be wrong on that, yes. Yes, I could. But if not you, it'd by necessity have to be ns via beast being town. And...I don't feel that. I simply haven't. More than that, there's also working against you a simple factor, ETL: the kills are almost the ones I would make
. If I were scum, I'd kill you N1 because of AP, but aside from that factor, let's say I wouldn't. Well, then, I'd kill TSO for shits and giggles (no, seriously, I would). I'd kill Thor because he was obvtown. Now, *I*, as I am, wouldn't kill Bert...but if I was neighborized by him, as you were, then I'd have killed him because he had served his purpose and his death would propel forth the LC mislynch. And pirate mollie? I knew that if I wasn't dieing last night, she was, because she was the least-mislynchable player here. Plus, she's the player who finds it the easiest to get into synch with others. Particularly, me. If it were someone else she was working with, and I was a dirty scumbag, that's what I'd do.So the nightkills, while not quite fitting my modus operandi as scum...are
pretty damn close to my methodologies
. Your play is peak mastin-level scumgame, too. It's actually more or less the scumgame I've been planning to present for all of 2014 yet have never had the chance thanks to an unfortunately-long string of town PMs: buddy one scumbuddy, bus the other. Be emotional yet reasonable, have strong logic, and present a tight scumgame where I am able to be in a position where nobody suspects me. Pull a gambit that is risky: if people don't believe me, it unravels the scumteam via the buddying I did...but they DO believe me because I made it incredibly believable. Present occam's razor in my defense, because I have orchestrated a plan that is simple in theory at its baseline level, yet complex enough that describing it in a simple way is impossible, making it seem contrived and convoluted even though I can execute it perfectly. That's basically what you've done...and it's what I would have done.In short?
This is not only what I would do as scum (more or less, anyway), but POE alone says it. I know beast is town. I know Guyett is scum and you defended him. I have trusted my gut on notscience the entire game and don't want to go back on that, now. That, all before going into trusting Jingle to not be a fucking hypocrite and have fakeclaimed in spite of hating fakeclaimers.
I welcome your vote, since it proves the point. You're doing the irrational AtE semi-panic that I do as scum and which is frankly your scum signature.
tl;dr: It's the best damn scumgame I've ever seen from you, and dammit, I wish I were your buddy to share it, but you're scum and I'm not.
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ETL, you know Guyett is scum so why are you sitting here argueing with mastin for no damn reason?
Do you really think they two of you are going to make up by the time a lynch is reached? I sure as hell don't see that happening. Today is just going to be you and Mastin being stubborn about how you both have perfect reads on the other while I sit here giving you scum on a gold platter and you aren't taking it.
ns is the only one I know is town. Both you and mastin are very likely to be scum in my eyes. Your posts seem genuine but you can't prove the LC thing, partly my fault, you are also voting Mastin which makes no sense since the lynch should be between me and Guyett. Mastin just gives me a bad vibes for some reason. I also didn't like the fact they voted ETL.
All in all lynch Guyett.
Do you really think they two of you are going to make up by the time a lynch is reached? I sure as hell don't see that happening. Today is just going to be you and Mastin being stubborn about how you both have perfect reads on the other while I sit here giving you scum on a gold platter and you aren't taking it.
ns is the only one I know is town. Both you and mastin are very likely to be scum in my eyes. Your posts seem genuine but you can't prove the LC thing, partly my fault, you are also voting Mastin which makes no sense since the lynch should be between me and Guyett. Mastin just gives me a bad vibes for some reason. I also didn't like the fact they voted ETL.
All in all lynch Guyett.
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↑ notscience wrote:ETL are you sure you're not wrong about guyett
i was until beast's reaction. as i mentioned before, it was far more honest sounding and to the point. guyett never crumbs, at least not that i can remember, so the crumbs, while supporting of beast, dont say much about guy.
but.. one thing i do know about him is that when he's got someone, he's got them, and he fights. i just sort of see swatting going on here.
am i paranoid i'm wrong? hell yes i'm paranoid. it's been a long run that i dont want to break. am i going to put the game on it? not after that, no. i'm not going to choose between them. if i vote guyett and he's town, i'll never live it down. ever. it will be constantly - why didn't i trust him? that's a real fear! and i'm just being honest about it at this point because i have nothing left to lose. mastin is a brick wall. town, scum, i dont know. i honestly believed jingle was a gunsmith until bert pointed out all the discrepancies. i was townreading bert 100% since his neighbor claim was confirmed. anti wouldn't put in a scum neighbor, and i was sure of that. so LC was the only thing to sort. with the bs claims in the PT, i was certain. and whichever way this ends, mastin will owe me an apology for that. she will. his post practically calls me tthe worst town player here and that really hurts because i've put a lot into this game despite it all. i caught flubber, and i provided proof of it, and was ignored until thor decided it was a good idea. so now? i dont know what else there is to do.
if i'm wrong about guyett then, i'm wrong. and that will be the first time in 10 games or something like that. i'd like to think if i think about it hard enough i'll figure it out, but i dont .. really care anymore. i mean i do but i dont. i want to win. but at the expense of what... having to argue with everyone over the truth? i dont know if that's worth it. i've done that the whole game long with mollie. yeah she was town and her death sucks but to be honest its a relief to not have to do that nitpicky nonsense about bs. and now i'm doing it with mastin. like always. it's exhausting. if we lose, we lose. it's just a game, and i have more important things going on in my life right now.
p-edit beast is it so bad to want to get things straight here? if guyett is scum we still have to sort tomorrow. which means more fucking back and forth nonsense with mastin.
the lc claim happened. i will go back through the PT and find as much information as i can to prove it short of quoting the damn thing. but it fucking happened.
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Your posts read as genuine but it is hard to swallow.
The vote today is between me and Guyett, not you and Mastin.
If you think Guyett is town then you are wrong. I know it sucks. I think I can read notscience and Marquis like a book but I get them wrong sometimes. It happens and when you see that it has happened you can't let your pride get in the way.
Would you rather lose the game because you didn't want to think you were wrong or win the game knowing you read someone wrong the whole game but in the end still came up with the win?
Personally winning is more fun than losing.
And yes it is a game.
Can you tell me if Guyett tells people to fuck off as town?
The vote today is between me and Guyett, not you and Mastin.
If you think Guyett is town then you are wrong. I know it sucks. I think I can read notscience and Marquis like a book but I get them wrong sometimes. It happens and when you see that it has happened you can't let your pride get in the way.
Would you rather lose the game because you didn't want to think you were wrong or win the game knowing you read someone wrong the whole game but in the end still came up with the win?
Personally winning is more fun than losing.
And yes it is a game.
Can you tell me if Guyett tells people to fuck off as town?
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↑ beastcharizard wrote:Your posts read as genuine but it is hard to swallow.
The vote today is between me and Guyett, not you and Mastin.
If you think Guyett is town then you are wrong. I know it sucks. I think I can read notscience and Marquis like a book but I get them wrong sometimes. It happens and when you see that it has happened you can't let your pride get in the way.
Would you rather lose the game because you didn't want to think you were wrong or win the game knowing you read someone wrong the whole game but in the end still came up with the win?
Personally winning is more fun than losing.
And yes it is a game.
Can you tell me if Guyett tells people to fuck off as town?
he does . usually when he's getting lynched. it's not a town tell or a scum tell.
to be totally honest... my guyett reads are a first post gut thing that has just happened to never have been wrong. i've never had a meta thing with him. i've never had to argue about meta on him either. it's literally... i read his first post, i decide if he's town or scum, and i go with that. and it's always been right so far. i do know how he plays and i know what would be a guyett thing and what would not be a guyett thing. that's about as far as i can tell you with him.
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The moment I actually give someone good vibes is the moment I'm actually scum.↑ beastcharizard wrote:Mastin just gives me a bad vibes for some reason.
No, dead serious, here. No ":P" attached. Remember the flowchart? It's been months since I used it, but that was one of the defining aspects of it. "Does Mastin look town?" With no-->"Then she's town, you idiot!", and "Maybe?"-->"Probably town, but proceed anyway", and yes. ONLY a 'yes'. Resulting in "proceed". There's a reason it was one of the most important elements of the flowchart. (Which I really need to refine and publish somewhere.)
Like I know why. It's just something that's happened all throughout 2014. Heck, starting in late-2013. House of Party and Tales of You onwards, with MafiaQuickness being an additional early game. (Which, incidentally, was the first game I posted the flowchart in, having already noted the forming trend which 2014 has defined as being PAINFULLY true.)
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