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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:40 pm
by RadiantCowbells
i don't have to make the game me vs mbaki now but if my coalition doesn't win the game we're probably going to have to fight!

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:41 pm
by 0verki11
VOTE: Dance
yeah looking again we get a shit ton of info from this.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:41 pm
by OkaPoka
well last time mbaki was town he self voted out of the grumpies

and last time i played with you you also self voted out of the grumpies

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:41 pm
by Titus
In post 2671, OkaPoka wrote:mbaki is not going to be lynched

the people who are agreeing with rc are not doing it because they sheep rc, everyone has come to their own independent conclusion on why dance is superior. this means if rc decides to make the game him vs mbaki, he won't have the same base of support
And do you really think I was heard? Dance is just handing scum the keys here. VCA is impossible on Dance. Looking back on votes is impossible. Forming teamwork is impossible. Accountability is impossible. Dance is garbage.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:42 pm
by RadiantCowbells
most of the time everything that i'm doing now is going to be a waste. and that's
fine
. that's who I am.
most of the time isn't good enough for me. i want to win the game 100% of the time or as close as I can possibly get to that number.
And do you really think I was heard? Dance is just handing scum the keys here. VCA is impossible on Dance. Looking back on votes is impossible. Forming teamwork is impossible. Accountability is impossible. Dance is garbage.
what if we literally just ignore all these things and see it as an opportunity to get rid of 2 players who weren't getting townblocked

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:43 pm
by RadiantCowbells
like i don't give a shit about info. i'm not with tmck and co. about how much "info" it's going to be. i think scum can easily fuck with that. i just want the ability to kill 2 people without losing tmck or burning venge or veto.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:44 pm
by Titus
In post 2676, 0verki11 wrote:VOTE: Dance
yeah looking again we get a shit ton of info from this.
*pulls hair out*

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:45 pm
by RadiantCowbells
Titus you still haven't quoted your argument for why Dance is inferior to Veto here.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:47 pm
by Titus
In post 2580, Titus wrote:@Taly

If we veto the lurkers and wagoned slots from yesterday, we figure out a lot about what happened day 1. That also puts us in a great spot for narrowing coalitions as scum must kill scummy people and lhf.
In dance, scum can obscure them entirely. It also leaves little data for later.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:52 pm
by RadiantCowbells
That doesn't factor in

1) that we can still kill relatively LHF no matter how the teams are set up
2) the way that teams are paired is absolutely data for later
3) the opportunity cost of vetoing before coalition

it's an extremely narrow look at the problem.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:52 pm
by chennisden
In post 2634, OkaPoka wrote:if we double hit scum we cant veto because there is one scum left
so?

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:54 pm
by RadiantCowbells
well shit

we better not double hit scum then

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:55 pm
by chennisden
oh no what if we HIT SCUM

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:56 pm
by RadiantCowbells
oh shit

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:56 pm
by RadiantCowbells
fuck.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:56 pm
by OkaPoka
I was responding to TMCK.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:57 pm
by Titus
In post 2684, RadiantCowbells wrote:That doesn't factor in

1) that we can still kill relatively LHF no matter how the teams are set up
2) the way that teams are paired is absolutely data for later
3) the opportunity cost of vetoing before coalition

it's an extremely narrow look at the problem.
1) It's the LHF scum want dead, not the VCA useful ones at best.
2)Yes but not data we can work with without flips. Many flips.
3) Veto should happen before coalition.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:58 pm
by OkaPoka
Let me summarize the interaction:

TMCK asked whether we could or could not use coalition after hitting scum in a dance.

I responded, as clearly as possible, no, because that would violate one of the prerequisites of coalitioning. I went to explain how that would violate the prerequisite of coalitioning. What is the question here, chennis?

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:58 pm
by chennisden
veto after coalition.

i ran the numbers.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:59 pm
by chennisden
In post 2692, OkaPoka wrote:Let me summarize the interaction:

TMCK asked whether we could or could not use coalition after hitting scum in a dance.

I responded, as clearly as possible, no, because that would violate one of the prerequisites of coalitioning. I went to explain how that would violate the prerequisite of coalitioning. What is the question here, chennis?
nvm then

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:59 pm
by OkaPoka
In post 2631, themilkcartonkid wrote:No, I think rc is right here. Veto after. Dance, coalition, veto, then we can decide from there. Quick question though. If we dance and hit scum somehow, we cant use coalition, right?
In post 2634, OkaPoka wrote:if we double hit scum we cant veto because there is one scum left

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:01 pm
by RadiantCowbells
also guys holy fuck

this looks amazing



joaquin phoenix is my favorite actor but

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:08 pm
by RadiantCowbells
In post 2634, OkaPoka wrote:if we double hit scum we cant veto because there is one scum left
hmm

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:11 pm
by Titus
In post 2693, chennisden wrote:veto after coalition.

i ran the numbers.
This can die now.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:12 pm
by RadiantCowbells
In post 2691, Titus wrote:
In post 2684, RadiantCowbells wrote:That doesn't factor in

1) that we can still kill relatively LHF no matter how the teams are set up
2) the way that teams are paired is absolutely data for later
3) the opportunity cost of vetoing before coalition

it's an extremely narrow look at the problem.
1) It's the LHF scum want dead, not the VCA useful ones at best.
2)Yes but not data we can work with without flips. Many flips.
3) Veto should happen before coalition.
3) why?
2) not true at all.
1) /shrug i don't agree that scum are going to choose their pools to deprive YOU of your vca.