it works with the people i've neighborizedIn post 2673, Gamma Emerald wrote:Can it work on more than 1 person?In post 2672, tris wrote:each night that we PM the "I do" it happensIn post 2670, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:Wait, so Hya was only protected N1 according to you and us LAST night? So, neither Hya or us are protected tonight, assuming this isn’t completely bogus, which I have serious doubts about anyway.In post 2300, tris wrote:In post 2298, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:I just think if your conditional bg was real, I wouldn’t have gotten the response that the mods couldn’t answer any of it. Why wouldn’t they have just backed you up if true? And why would either or Hya need to have done that anyway? Like in what world would either Hya or myself refuse the “I do”? No one in their right mind rehects a bg offer. And now you’re saying Hya isn’t protected but I am?In post 2297, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:Either you were bus drove or Hya’s lying and first one sounds iffy and second, extremely unlikely.
Gamma’s probably already given up. I admit from a purely emotional pov, I would prefer him today but Hya is saying you weren’t bus driven to Amy, so that is literally the only way you’re not guiltied and occams razer says that’s unlikely but she says that’s impossible and I don’t see why he’d lie.
Plus, why wouldn’t Maria have confirmed to both of us your “I do”, why just you? I was expecting Dunn to confirm your conditional bg on us being real and I think it would have been confirmed if it were true. I asked specifically to have both the “I do” thing confirmed and your part in submitting it and was told the mods couldn’t confirm any of it and now you’ve gotten confirmation of our “I do” but we’ve still gotten absolutely nothing.
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why would you refuse? because you don't trust me maybe. like what if you're agreeing to something bad?
BEF should optimally self-direct a commute on himself today, since he has no NAs tonight and KD has made it abundantly clear he has no interest in being neighbourized. Tris cant re-neighbourize either Hya or us and she’s pushing FL, so that completely destroys Hya’s argument for fading an exonerated slot over Tris.
Why am I literally the only one to consistently catch these things?
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Why not? He did claim Fool as his actual flavour.In post 2674, tris wrote:flavor leaf. i don't buy the whole jester thingIn post 2669, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote: But please explain to me why a slot that has been 100% cleared of being the reason for Amy dying ought to be faded over you and who do you think we ought to fade if NOT you?
Now I realize that it wasn’t you who is advocating for Gamma being faded, that was Hya. So, who do you think we should fade?
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Also, who do you think FL’s hypothetical buddy is then? Based of of EoD D2 interactions and based off of what we’ve seen so far today, it sure as hell doesn’t look like it’s Gamma.
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And what motive does scum!FL have to kill Amy here - a slot that was hard townreading him and also a slot that he had damn good reason to have no fear from her N2 NAs?In post 2676, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:Why not? He did claim Fool as his actual flavour.In post 2674, tris wrote:flavor leaf. i don't buy the whole jester thingIn post 2669, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote: But please explain to me why a slot that has been 100% cleared of being the reason for Amy dying ought to be faded over you and who do you think we ought to fade if NOT you?
Now I realize that it wasn’t you who is advocating for Gamma being faded, that was Hya. So, who do you think we should fade?
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Also, who do you think FL’s hypothetical buddy is then? Based of of EoD D2 interactions and based off of what we’ve seen so far today, it sure as hell doesn’t look like it’s Gamma.
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The bolded clearly indicates that Amy had 0 intention of using her NA on FL, so I find it highly unlikely that he would kill her based off of this. In fact, this post points to FL NOT killing Amy. She is explicitly claiming that her silence post-flip confiscums him, where as her being a “nuisance”, confitowns him and proves his role. Scum!FL would have to be an absolute idiot to kill Amy here, so I think this post could be interpreted as a soft inno on FL.In post 1733, Ampharos wrote:Took the weekend off. Needed it. Think I should be a lot more clear-headed now.
Flavor Leaf claim is certainly fakeable but it's not something I'm concerned about right now because it should make itself fairly confirmable sooner or later. If I get venged for some reason I promise to be a nuisance from beyond the grave if this chat's real - hopefully that'll at least get us a confirmed villager out of all of this (and hopefully the lack of me being a nuisance confirms a wolf, should that be the case).
Claiming that me hypothesizing 4 wolves is a TMI slip is dumb because that would require there to actuallybefour wolves, which it seems I've been hard shot down on (and I've pretty much coming around to agreeing with those who are doing the shooting).
Requesting that we hold hammer until at least the end of tomorrow. Would like to spend some time realtiming.
I don't think I was super crazy about tris's reaction to her/me suddenly being sussed as a team? And I think I pointed out earlier that her flip on me is super weird.
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I could self commute I guess but I am also entertaining the idea about possibly stopping the NK, assuming 2 scum left. For that to work we would most likely need a scum flip today and I guess right on the remaining one. However, I would have to choose a target before we reach a fade.
Also, scum could also holster the NK and frame the commuted target.
Also, scum could also holster the NK and frame the commuted target.
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In post 1666, tris wrote:he better flip red, because otherwise i'm townreading way too much. I haven't really considered that world that much.In post 1662, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:Who do you think is scum if NM flips red and who, if he flips green?In post 1660, tris wrote:i just don't think the why i've talked about amy is something i would be able to fake when reading a partner as mafia. but, that's probably not useful for you. as that's self meta.
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If he flips green, then maybe Gamma? that's mostly because i've forgotten about why i was townreading him. And my reasons for townreading others feel firmer. oh and there's also jjh. i still need to go reread gamma as well as others but i'm mostly waiting on the flip before i do that.
all of that was kind of ignoring FL, which i have a tendency to do because he makes my brain hurt sometimes, but also, i know some ways he might be confirmed, so i'm not worrying about that too much. although, i am a little suspicious of the claim.
So what happened between now and then to make FL’s role any less confirmable to you?In post 2674, tris wrote:In post 2669, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote: But please explain to me why a slot that has been 100% cleared of being the reason for Amy dying ought to be faded over you and who do you think we ought to fade if NOT you?
Now I realize that it wasn’t you who is advocating for Gamma being faded, that was Hya. So, who do you think we should fade?
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flavor leaf. i don't buy the whole jester thing
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Yes that is possible but I think a roleblocked Gamma makes a no kill extremely likely, whether he is actually scum here or not because if Gamma isn’t scum, than scum would have to be an idiot not to no kill in order to frame him.In post 2679, BrightEyedFish wrote:I could self commute I guess but I am also entertaining the idea about possibly stopping the NK, assuming 2 scum left. For that to work we would most likely need a scum flip today and I guess right on the remaining one. However, I would have to choose a target before we reach a fade.
Also, scum could also holster the NK and frame the commuted target.
No one in their right mind would try to frame you here, so I think you self-directing would pretty much nip that in the bud but I think it’s extremely likely we get a no kill one way or another with Gamma roleblock, so it’s an extremely smart call on FL’s part to make and hopefully puts us in a better position, so long as we fade correctly today and I really can’t see how anyone but Tris killed Amy here. You roleblocked Gamma, so he’s clear. Amy soft inno’d FL with her post and I hard tr you, KD and Hya, so who else kills Amy here if not Tris?
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Hey, @Tris, any chance you could give us a current readslist of yours? Is FL your only scumread? Anyone else you’re suspicious of and why?
Also, can you think of anyone who had more reason to kill Amy than you? because based off of both Hya Amy track as well as Amy ISO, you clearly have the most Amy kill equity here.
Thanks to BEF we know you couldn’t have been bus driven so Gamma’s 100% clear and Amy’s post soft innos FL.
So, if both Gamma and FL are off the table, you do you think we should fade today if not you?
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Also, can you think of anyone who had more reason to kill Amy than you? because based off of both Hya Amy track as well as Amy ISO, you clearly have the most Amy kill equity here.
Thanks to BEF we know you couldn’t have been bus driven so Gamma’s 100% clear and Amy’s post soft innos FL.
So, if both Gamma and FL are off the table, you do you think we should fade today if not you?
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In post 2682, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:Hey, @Tris, any chance you could give us a current readslist of yours? Is FL your only scumread? Anyone else you’re suspicious of and why?
Also, can you think of anyone who had more reason to kill Amy than you? because based off of both Hya Amy track as well as Amy ISO, you clearly have the most Amy kill equity here.
Thanks to BEF we know you couldn’t have been bus driven so Gamma’s 100% clear and Amy’s post soft innos FL.
So, if both Gamma and FL are off the table, you do you think we should fade today if not you?
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And they both should damn well be off of the table today, because fading either one is very likely gamethrowing.
If I have to restate why: Gamma is cleared from killing Amy and Amy’s post soft innos FL.
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So @Tris, if DnD was in your PoE and they were sr us, why did you vote us here?In post 657, tris wrote:In post 626, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:In post 538, tris wrote:VOTE: Venus and Mars and Pluto
what if you did just answer 282?
please thank you very much.you seem to be pushing similar things as I am, but we’re in your POE. Can you explain why we’re in your POE?
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Don’t you generally take mindmelding to be a sign of being the same alignment?
If you “don’t have any reason to believe [DnD] are town”, than doesn’t it make logical sense that you’re vote be on them not us?
How does this progression on either us or DnD make any sense to you here?
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How is Gamma clear...?
There’s 2 scum, if Tris is scum, Gamma is not cleared.
There’s 2 scum, if Tris is scum, Gamma is not cleared.
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Oh, I get it!
Unless Gamma’s a traitor, he’s cleared probably
Unless Gamma’s a traitor, he’s cleared probably
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Actually, I guess BEF/Gamma is a possibility
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Thinking about it, there were 2 redirecting, a couple roleblocks, even if one of those are scum, scum with a strongman like “even night strongman” changes everything.
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No, you misunderstood. I never said Gamma can’t be scum only that he couldn’t have killed Amy. That’s not at all the same thing.In post 2685, Flavor Leaf wrote:How is Gamma clear...?
There’s 2 scum, if Tris is scum, Gamma is not cleared.
Gamma can still be scum, I just think we should kill the slot who most likely killed Amy.
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I guess that’s a possibility?
I mean specifically wrt to Amy kill. Ftr, I actually think his odd modifier makes sense because Amy, BEF are both evens and jjh’s Arcana investigative thing looks like an odd, given he didn’t have an Arcana guess in his message N2 but he did on N1.
I just think Tris fade makes the most sense today, both because of Hya Amy track and Amy ISO.
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If they’re strongman, they can, but I’m leaning more towards GammaTown lately anyways
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Why does scum!BEF ever roleblock Gamma in the first place? Wouldn’t he have rb’d Hya. Amy or me > Gamma?In post 2687, Flavor Leaf wrote:Actually, I guess BEF/Gamma is a possibility
Do you read the D1 Tris post I quoted? I think that’s a scumpost, voting us but calling DnD scum, who were scumreading us?
And her whole bg protect claim has holes as big as freaking craters. Also, she was in absolutely no hurry to fade you until Hya tracked Amy to her and she just pops in to make a minor comment here and there and never really responds to my major points.
So, I definitely think Tris is very likely scum here, so whether or not Gamma’s scum, I think BEF is pretty much clear. BEF/Gamma interactions don’t look like buddies and BEF/DnD 100% don’t.
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Oh you’re right, I hadn’t even considered that, so BEF’s rb might not 100% clear Gamma but Amy ISO + Hya Amy track still point to Tris and I find the whole neighbour protect “I do” think really fishy, primarily because the mods still won’t confirm it and Tris claims Hya’s happened N1 and mine N2 but as we know, scum still killed on both nights and yeah, I really don’t see who had more Amy kill equity than Tris, both because Amy used her self-redirector on her + Amy was very clearly gunning for Tris, so Tris killing Amy imo makes way more sense than Gamma strongman killing her. I also hard tr BEF.In post 2688, Flavor Leaf wrote:Thinking about it, there were 2 redirecting, a couple roleblocks, even if one of those are scum, scum with a strongman like “even night strongman” changes everything.
You make some really good points though. Even if Gamma’s BD is very likely to be odd night, if he did actually have a strongman, I guess he wouldn’t be clear from that but I 100% believe BEF did rb him and believes it went through in any case.
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Yeah, he didn’t seem to know about the hoods or how Tris’ neighbourizing thing works but that especially clears BEF because the rb looks the worst for Tris.In post 2691, Flavor Leaf wrote:If they’re strongman, they can, but I’m leaning more towards GammaTown lately anyways
Problem for me is, I’m pretty sure Tris is scum but really have no idea who’s her buddy, so if it’s not Gamma, we are possibly looking at a deep wolf. It’s never KD or BEF imo. I don’t think it’s Hya but I don’t understand her wanting to avenge Amy by killing Gamma, when he claimed to track Amy to Tris?
Is that making any sense to you at all?
@Hya, why do you want Gamma dead today when you tracked Amy to Tris?
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In post 2378, Hayasaka wrote:I am saying whether or not you are lying Tris is scum so I don't care?In post 2374, Gamma Emerald wrote:I literally claimed a modifier that DIDN’T ALLOW ME to act last night
Are you saying I’m lying? Because I said why lying made no sense, my role has similar function to Amphy’s, and odd-night means whenever I can’t act she can and vice versa.
Why are you offended I am considering both worlds lol.
Sorry, I think I misread your post, you obviously don’t think a Gamma fade makes more sense today than a Tris one, correct?In post 2660, Hayasaka wrote:my track has lower value then FLs public roleblock correct?
Scum can play around both but I think his role trumps mine now that I am outed and can just get shot.
Although I guess if we go for Gamma then technically Tris is body guarding me if we trust that.
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Strong FOS on 657. When do you ever vote with your scumreads or rather vote your sr’s PoE?In post 2684, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:So @Tris, if DnD was in your PoE and they were sr us, why did you vote us here?In post 657, tris wrote:In post 626, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:In post 538, tris wrote:VOTE: Venus and Mars and Pluto
what if you did just answer 282?
please thank you very much.you seem to be pushing similar things as I am, but we’re in your POE. Can you explain why we’re in your POE?
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Don’t you generally take mindmelding to be a sign of being the same alignment?
If you “don’t have any reason to believe [DnD] are town”, than doesn’t it make logical sense that you’re vote be on them not us?
How does this progression on either us or DnD make any sense to you here?
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Extremely bizarre post. DnD throws shade on FL for his Tris/Amy reads but still wants Gamma, probably because they know FL isn’t scum, so they push Gamma instead.In post 292, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:initial thoughts:
- townlean on Hayasaka, her panic over possibly-gladiating Kaname sounds genuine
- agree with Cakes on not liking pooky's vote on prune after the joke had, like, already ended
- I like kaname's vote/opinion on dr. pepper; townlean on kaname as well.
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- Flavor Leaf's scumread on tris is ??? this makes no sense:
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It feels like FL is like weirdly positioning himself around both ampharos and tris with 120/121
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Hmmmmm . . .
I really want Tris today.
and I’m spiritually voting her. I would just really like to figure out her buddy in case I die but Tris!scum + our positive result on FL make think his dead chat probably is real.
I’m probably reading someone wrong but can’t figure out whom. :/
but it’s very unlikely to be Tris.
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Suggesting I am scum at this point just lowers the stock of your other reads.In post 2687, Flavor Leaf wrote:Actually, I guess BEF/Gamma is a possibility