So with claims we've got
Confirmed (from my pov)
- N1 Vigilante
- Fruit Vendor
Others
- Paranoid Gun Owner, unknown if gated or activated.
- Roleblocker
- 2x Mason + Investigative
If I forgot one let me know. I am writing this when the thread is locked so I am not just willy nilly letting time slip when I can utilize not having constant posts I have to sift through as well.
Depending on what the PGO's ability actively is, it's generally negative utility as it usually does more harm to Town than to scum and is a bitch to confirm without harming Town, which in itself is an addition to why it's negative utility and according to the wiki, it's generally policy-eliminated if claimed. N1 vigilante is also negative utility, but obviously not as much as a PGO if real, as it's a N1 shot where the information is the lowest and the chances to hit a Town is the highest. Investigative Masons probably mean we've got no other investigative roles, which fits with why none have claimed during the mass-claim and they're super powerful so I think that a roleblocker is probably our own protective tbh. It can only effectively stop the Masons abilities so it doesn't affect Town much and doesn't make much sense as a scum role as it's only benefit would be to block the masons (who would get info anyway from the other mason) or block the Fruit Vendor which is ?? to add to a setup.
Regarding the Masonry's results, I do not think that clears them at all, or at least until maybe another Mafia Goon flips. I think two Mafia Goons and a way to either counter the masonry such as a Strongman/Rolestopper or to find the PRs such as Vanilla Cop/Role Cop or even just a Tracker/Watcher would be perfectly fine. Also are you capable of telling us the results you had on Noraa and if it semi-clears her as well as that would aid my read on them fairly well.
Paranoid Gun Owner
- This is a likely scum-claim for many reasons including the fact it lowkey counters my own claim and it just seems to be the perfect fake-claim to stop investigative roles targeting them as they were falling in the Town fairly hard, that and the combination of me not thinking Roleblocker is a scum role and that where did the Flea fruit vender result go.
Investigative Masonry
- Regardless of that I think their logic is faulty and is probably likely throwing the Town way off, like many confirmed town tend to do in my experience (just because it's a totally different perspective nothing personal ofc), they are pretty much confirmed to be Town as their claim would be ballsy as fuck and it doesn't make much sense taking into consideration how weak the Town would be without them considering current claims.
Roleblocker
- I do not recall if they are gated or not but I don't really think it matters to be completely honest. If their role is Roleblocker, I think they're almost 100% Town as the setup spec doesn't really feed well into why a scum!roleblocker would exist but if they aren't they definitely did a gambit to get their buddy eliminated and swim in the town-cred. I am trying to gauge the general validity in if that's likely the case considering and where the mafia kill went if they were to do that. Honestly, if they were planning on doing that going into the night I wouldn't be surprised if they simply just no-killed and then laughed when there was a kill regardless. I'll have to look back to see their reactions to the kill and my claim.
Reactions to my N1 Vigilante Claim
Guillotina
- They responded to my vigilante claim in
1497 with "How would you be sure where the mafia kill went anyway?". Which is both irrelevant to the post the quoted and actually quite a fluffy post now that I am looking back.
Marky Mark
- They didn't even bat an eye at my claim (
1493), unlike what Flea did (
1492) and that there was no mafia kill, wary that the reaction is lowkey TMI but they've been acting fairly townie in my opinion so I am kinda torn not gonna lie.
DrippingGoofball
- In their first post in the day (
1518) they said that they had very relevant information, which of course we know of now, not much to get off of this yet but they didn't vote Piggy for a while iirc which I want to ask why.
AGamblingPig
- I know they're flipped scum but their response in
1543 seems like they're trying to push away from a mass-claim, probably knowing that it'd clear someone or incriminate them as no kill happened although this is a WIFOM argument but I think that's possibly a sign saying DGB is town? Could be confbias as well let me know if that is, as I haven't really been able to tell for a while. Although Mark's response to that in the following post looks really bad looking back. Their
1591 is actually now obvious that they are scum flailing and trying to grasp people to SR me and I feel lowkey stupid for not seeing them as scummy earlier but eh, going on more is useless.
Noraa
- In
1619 you thought that Math was softing Vigilante, when only one kill happened did you not think they were still a Vigilante that just didn't shoot for (??) reasons or was it solely when I claimed it? When you answer this can you explain why as well. Also care to explain how you were expecting a Vigilante claim (albeit from Math) but then near EoD you suspected the Vigilante claim, no right or wrong answers just trying to gauge something.
