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In post 2599, Guillotina wrote:

In post 1222, Bell wrote:@guilotina, ya for the most part I do.
I could see morph and Shea being scum though.

Morph because Cabd.
Shea because I am a little bit skeptical in how they present themselves.

Tell me about Scum!Cabd, I only know their town game from Xenoblade where they whooped our ass like there was no tomorrow. Any notable differences?

You could have just asked me to humblebrag, you know.
My scum games/gambits are more notorious than my town games/gambits.

someone calling a another player a "townie" is not a TMI slip because that's just what people do.

someone saying "you're not the towniest townie by far, which pre-supposes I'm in their townie ranking" while voting for me to die, is TMIing slipping that I'm in the "townie chart" but I'm RANKED LOW ENOUGH FOR THEM TO TRY TO MISELIM

No it's not. It's a thing town players do literally all the time.

In post 2672, Sigmund wrote:flea wasn't even townreading me at the time

flea was VOTING FOR ME

Okay, and why was flea voting you?

also, I want to be clear I thought from context that Flea was townreading you, based on what you said, but there is a valid reading of that post in which Flea is saying, paraphrased:

"You're not at the top of the readslist, I have other people much higher than you"

which is consistent with a null to scum read on you, especially day one?

Again, I'm not really certain how you are pushing this. Rather... I now understand how you came to this conclusion, at least, but you do realize it's nowhere near as conclusive as you're saying it is, right?

like you guys understand scum have "townie charts" too right?

and they move people up and down their townie chart based on "scumminess" and ease of pushing mis-elim.

I am on Flea's townie chart

But Flea is voting for me.

That tells you everything you need to know about what type of chart Flea is using.

Like i don't even have a problem with flea as an elim but garbage arguments like this piss me off and 99 times out of 100 when a player says "that's a slip!" It's bullshit.

In post 2667, Chara wrote:Flea was replying directly to Sigmund. Flea repeated his wording.

I didn't even notice this part.

In post 2663, Bell wrote:

In post 2652, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2641, Bell wrote:Opps, that could be misconstrued. I mean that you rolled scum and you're avoiding the game some through that kind of tracking.

Not IRL stuff.

@Sigmund, I dunno how many of those posts are from Cabd and how many are from FF because they intentionally hide it.

While I was going through isos for the spreadsheet, I also posted a flurry of questions that occurred to me while I was doing all that rereading.

What do you mean by "intentionally hiding who's posting"? We don't sign, generally, but I think it's usually pretty obvious who posted which posts.

You say you're townreading us but dayum that's whole lot of shade the last page or so, Bell.

No, it really isn't.

I throw shade everywhere because I'm one of them types that throws shade everywhere. You should be able to relate from our recent newbie game in which you explicitly suspected and questioned everyone, perhaps to your own detriment when Lukewarm voted you in part because he felt you might vote him first.

That was a very off game for me, though I did get at least one thing right.

This is an amount of paranoia I don't think you've thrown our way before, at least not out loud. Though, Tenet happened and that's a thing. I'm just surprised you have this untapped vein of paranoia about .

What makes you think we're trying to hide who made which posts?

"I'm the bluest face clown in the car!"
"You're nowhere near the bluest clown in the car"
"Ah hah! So you admit I'm blue!"

This is the argument you're making. Are you joking right now?

In post 2682, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2663, Bell wrote:

In post 2652, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2641, Bell wrote:Opps, that could be misconstrued. I mean that you rolled scum and you're avoiding the game some through that kind of tracking.

Not IRL stuff.

@Sigmund, I dunno how many of those posts are from Cabd and how many are from FF because they intentionally hide it.

While I was going through isos for the spreadsheet, I also posted a flurry of questions that occurred to me while I was doing all that rereading.

What do you mean by "intentionally hiding who's posting"? We don't sign, generally, but I think it's usually pretty obvious who posted which posts.

You say you're townreading us but dayum that's whole lot of shade the last page or so, Bell.

No, it really isn't.

I throw shade everywhere because I'm one of them types that throws shade everywhere. You should be able to relate from our recent newbie game in which you explicitly suspected and questioned everyone, perhaps to your own detriment when Lukewarm voted you in part because he felt you might vote him first.

That was a very off game for me, though I did get at least one thing right.

This is an amount of paranoia I don't think you've thrown our way before, at least not out loud. Though, Tenet happened and that's a thing. I'm just surprised you have this untapped vein of paranoia about

me

.

What makes you think we're trying to hide who made which posts?

Morph, the flea wagon looks attrocious with this person pushing it. What's your reasons for being there, can I get a sensible flea read? I have zero read there except "this push by sigmund is bad and nonsensical"

In post 2668, morph the cat wrote:Anyway, I don't think the TMI argument is disingenuous, regardless of if it's right or wrong.

I initially got the impression that he was just pushing the TMI tell as part of his persona, and that he wasn't really serious about believing it.

But honestly now I'm tempted to agree.

I don't think it's impossible for this confidence to be faked (), but it's +town for sure.

UNVOTE:

In post 2683, Thestatusquo wrote:"I'm the bluest face clown in the car!"
"You're nowhere near the bluest clown in the car"
"Ah hah! So you admit I'm blue!"

This is the argument you're making. Are you joking right now?

you can't just reduce all communication down to semantics ("pre-supposes") when it's much more complex than that.

"i'm a dancing cat," says the sitting figure.

"you're not a dancing cat!" replies the other, as they can clearly see the figure is sitting, and not dancing, though they can't quite see what sort of animal they are.

"aha, but you've admitted i'm a cat!" says the figure triumphantly.

omg shea samesies

I think that the slip discussion should be dropped. Both sides have made their points, and now it's just shitting up the thread.

In post 2684, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 2682, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2663, Bell wrote:

In post 2652, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2641, Bell wrote:Opps, that could be misconstrued. I mean that you rolled scum and you're avoiding the game some through that kind of tracking.

Not IRL stuff.

@Sigmund, I dunno how many of those posts are from Cabd and how many are from FF because they intentionally hide it.

While I was going through isos for the spreadsheet, I also posted a flurry of questions that occurred to me while I was doing all that rereading.

What do you mean by "intentionally hiding who's posting"? We don't sign, generally, but I think it's usually pretty obvious who posted which posts.

You say you're townreading us but dayum that's whole lot of shade the last page or so, Bell.

No, it really isn't.

I throw shade everywhere because I'm one of them types that throws shade everywhere. You should be able to relate from our recent newbie game in which you explicitly suspected and questioned everyone, perhaps to your own detriment when Lukewarm voted you in part because he felt you might vote him first.

That was a very off game for me, though I did get at least one thing right.

This is an amount of paranoia I don't think you've thrown our way before, at least not out loud. Though, Tenet happened and that's a thing. I'm just surprised you have this untapped vein of paranoia about

me

.

What makes you think we're trying to hide who made which posts?

Morph, the flea wagon looks attrocious with this person pushing it. What's your reasons for being there, can I get a sensible flea read? I have zero read there except "this push by sigmund is bad and nonsensical"

yeah our read has nothing to do with the TMI bullshit and has everything to do with the use of Flea's time when posting.

I just got home after a 17 hour shift so braining is hard, I'll let ffery take over but yeah. Nothing to do with the TMI bullshit.

In post 2688, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2684, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 2682, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2663, Bell wrote:

In post 2652, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2641, Bell wrote:Opps, that could be misconstrued. I mean that you rolled scum and you're avoiding the game some through that kind of tracking.

Not IRL stuff.

@Sigmund, I dunno how many of those posts are from Cabd and how many are from FF because they intentionally hide it.

While I was going through isos for the spreadsheet, I also posted a flurry of questions that occurred to me while I was doing all that rereading.

What do you mean by "intentionally hiding who's posting"? We don't sign, generally, but I think it's usually pretty obvious who posted which posts.

You say you're townreading us but dayum that's whole lot of shade the last page or so, Bell.

No, it really isn't.

I throw shade everywhere because I'm one of them types that throws shade everywhere. You should be able to relate from our recent newbie game in which you explicitly suspected and questioned everyone, perhaps to your own detriment when Lukewarm voted you in part because he felt you might vote him first.

That was a very off game for me, though I did get at least one thing right.

This is an amount of paranoia I don't think you've thrown our way before, at least not out loud. Though, Tenet happened and that's a thing. I'm just surprised you have this untapped vein of paranoia about

me

.

What makes you think we're trying to hide who made which posts?

Morph, the flea wagon looks attrocious with this person pushing it. What's your reasons for being there, can I get a sensible flea read? I have zero read there except "this push by sigmund is bad and nonsensical"

yeah our read has nothing to do with the TMI bullshit and has everything to do with the use of Flea's time when posting.

Noise content ratio?

In post 2684, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 2682, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2663, Bell wrote:

In post 2652, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2641, Bell wrote:Opps, that could be misconstrued. I mean that you rolled scum and you're avoiding the game some through that kind of tracking.

Not IRL stuff.

@Sigmund, I dunno how many of those posts are from Cabd and how many are from FF because they intentionally hide it.

While I was going through isos for the spreadsheet, I also posted a flurry of questions that occurred to me while I was doing all that rereading.

What do you mean by "intentionally hiding who's posting"? We don't sign, generally, but I think it's usually pretty obvious who posted which posts.

You say you're townreading us but dayum that's whole lot of shade the last page or so, Bell.

No, it really isn't.

I throw shade everywhere because I'm one of them types that throws shade everywhere. You should be able to relate from our recent newbie game in which you explicitly suspected and questioned everyone, perhaps to your own detriment when Lukewarm voted you in part because he felt you might vote him first.

That was a very off game for me, though I did get at least one thing right.

This is an amount of paranoia I don't think you've thrown our way before, at least not out loud. Though, Tenet happened and that's a thing. I'm just surprised you have this untapped vein of paranoia about

me

.

What makes you think we're trying to hide who made which posts?

Morph, the flea wagon looks attrocious with this person pushing it. What's your reasons for being there, can I get a sensible flea read? I have zero read there except "this push by sigmund is bad and nonsensical"

I'm not on that wagon because of anything Sigmund has posted.

It's mostly because at a point where most of the rest of the player list is getting down to work and trying to get stuff done and an elim accomplished (or griping that it's so damn hard to get anything done), Flea keeps popping in with one-liners about popping popcorn and hi guys anything interesting happened in the last 10 pages?

Anya also bugs me, but I'm starting to see glimmers of game-relevance in her posting the last 24 hours or so. I'm kinda worried, though, that she doesn't seem to be on the collective radar any more.

Not exactly? But like right now my brain is full of DMARC to SFP run notation and not really helpful to the game, unless DMARC A 0000 006 SMF R301RU34 XE 0/0/1 SFP (LR 1G) can divine a scum for us.

In post 2692, morph the cat wrote:Not exactly? But like right now my brain is full of DMARC to SFP run notation and not really helpful to the game, unless DMARC A 0000 006 SMF R301RU34 XE 0/0/1 SFP (LR 1G) can divine a scum for us.

DMARC
MRDCA
MURDRCA
MURDERCAT

That doesn't seem inconsistent with flea town game to me. Can you point me to examples of flea behaving differently as town?

See this is my problem. i literally always scum read flea for pretty much the exact reasons that morph is talking about. But a lot of the time flea sure ends up town.

So if you've got a way to read faer that is actually different between town and scum I'm super interested but i don't think it's the thing you just said

I'm honestly having a really hard time believing that morph crunched the numbers and did all the research they supposedly did and came to the conclusion "I am nervous about the two players in the game who have the most consistently scummy play styles across both their town games and scum games."

I haven't played with Flea, but I have semi-watched a few games, notably some recent funky idea games. My spectator impression of Flea's town game is that faers posts become less ~empty~ as the game advances. Here, they are arguably getting MORE empty as this day has advanced.

can you link me.