Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[MonkeyMan576]

Catboi

-Well Done-

Menalque

-SCP have scum in them somewhere.

[Well Done]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89094

tictac is town in the linked game and seems much more forthcoming with reads in that game than in this one.

In this game they scumread catboi and townread Menalque and talked about tracer bullet being scum and then what else?

[SCP 682]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89094

tictac is town in the linked game and seems much more forthcoming with reads in that game than in this one.

In this game they scumread catboi and townread Menalque and talked about tracer bullet being scum and then what else?

Exactly. I was in that game as scum against them and while I saw them as a mislim - I was intensely aware of the difference in play and was trying my best there to suppress they were different, taking care not to bring up Squid Game.

[SCP 682]

VOTE: Tictac

Let's get this going, shall we?

[Flavor Leaf]

Can you show me a couple other tic tac games that this is a meta thing?

I don't go off of 1 game for meta, that's newbie stuff.

[SCP 682]

We have provided both a town and scum game.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's not impossible my lean town on tic tac is wrong.

Especially because I believe they're pushing scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

We have provided both a town and scum game.

I want multiple of 1 alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

1 instance of something in a scum game is not a good reason to meta it as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

When people use weak meta cases and act like it's familiarity, i instantly think Red Flag.

Familiarity > Meta, because it's evolved from meta.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not gonna die on the tictac is town hill, though, they could be scum.

I won't be voting there because it just feels like it's a Catboi defense.

The fact it starts right after they come in and vote Catboi and MonkeyMan comes back in just makes me feel scum pings somewhere.

[MonkeyMan576]

@SCP why not vote on one of the leading wagons, do you think they are both town?

[Flavor Leaf]

Main reason I'm not pinged by SCP is that if they were scum, they'd be able to push me harder.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not gonna die on the tictac is town hill, though, they could be scum.

I won't be voting there because it just feels like it's a Catboi defense.

The fact it starts right after they come in and vote Catboi and MonkeyMan comes back in just makes me feel scum pings somewhere.

I'm making you feel scummy?

[Wallflower]

I get that a lot of other people may be scum but the fact is there are lots of scum in this game and Nashville is probably one of them so why not just do it?

[Flavor Leaf]

@SCP why not vote on one of the leading wagons, do you think they are both town?

they just want to come in and lead town.

They dont care about town winning, they care about them specifically solving the game as fast as they can type.

[SCP 682]

OK. That's fine. I will tell you the same thing that I told Quick in Large 236. I will allow you to push your own theories that I think include incorrect ones, and I will continue to just vote scum and bury them with the rest of the town. I am ok with that. I do not need your vote to bury my scumreads as it is not limlo.

I will convince you with a rolecard reveal. I expect you to listen to me after that in the PT.

I do not see the reason why they need to be defended. Let the wagon form. Let them be pressured. If they are town - invariably they will react to the pressure in a towny way. Pressure will always cause people to alignment tell more than just leaving them be. Letting low poster fly on d1 is a terrible strategy to me and I know I am correct in that assessment.

[SCP 682]

@SCP why not vote on one of the leading wagons, do you think they are both town?

I have significantly higher confidence in the wagons I want to push specifically.

And they already have the pressure there -> I have no issue pressuring the low posters I think are solidly in scum meta.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not gonna die on the tictac is town hill, though, they could be scum.

I won't be voting there because it just feels like it's a Catboi defense.

The fact it starts right after they come in and vote Catboi and MonkeyMan comes back in just makes me feel scum pings somewhere.

I'm making you feel scummy?

No, you're obv town at this point to me.

You came in with your push directed towards Menalque/Catboi, and now Well Done/SPC are trying to start the tictac wagon. They were leading up to it, but after you guys peeped in, the trigger started to be pulled, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

I get that a lot of other people may be scum but the fact is there are lots of scum in this game and Nashville is probably one of them so why not just do it?

I think we're closer to Catboi than Nashville.

[Wallflower]

Though at the risk of causing distraction I think Klick wanting to end the day and then voting FL is kind of scummy

[MonkeyMan576]

@SCP why not vote on one of the leading wagons, do you think they are both town?

I have significantly higher confidence in the wagons I want to push specifically.

And they already have the pressure there -> I have no issue pressuring the low posters I think are solidly in scum meta.

You don't think players that have been playing the game for a week might have more insight than you? What makes you so confident?

[Wallflower]

I get that a lot of other people may be scum but the fact is there are lots of scum in this game and Nashville is probably one of them so why not just do it?

I think we're closer to Catboi than Nashville.

It might just be weakness of conviction but I’m doubting the scumread on catboi a bit.

[SCP 682]

Though at the risk of causing distraction I think Klick wanting to end the day and then voting FL is kind of scummy

Nah its fine. We can pursue several theories at once -> there are several scum. We need to explore multiple options simultaneously because then we reach an endgame with less town voices and low info.

[Flavor Leaf]

OK. That's fine. I will tell you the same thing that I told Quick in Large 236. I will allow you to push your own theories that I think include incorrect ones, and I will continue to just vote scum and bury them with the rest of the town. I am ok with that. I do not need your vote to bury my scumreads as it is not limlo.

I will convince you with a rolecard reveal. I expect you to listen to me after that in the PT.

I do not see the reason why they need to be defended. Let the wagon form. Let them be pressured. If they are town - invariably they will react to the pressure in a towny way. Pressure will always cause people to alignment tell more than just leaving them be. Letting low poster fly on d1 is a terrible strategy to me and I know I am correct in that assessment.

I tried to get a vigilante to shoot Quick in a game where he was an IC.

I was town.

We would have won that game if the vig listened to me.

Self meta.