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Post Post #2700 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:23 pm

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Elmo TeH AzN wrote:I died 98 pages ago =/

You're welcome

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Post Post #2701 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:51 pm

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callforjudgement wrote:What specifically would you want me to have done differently? I don't think anyone bought your claim.

I just wouldn't have bussed that hard. You went after me with no precedent, instead of waiting to see if there was any suspicion of me at all. Bussing that hard can actually lead to suspicion as well as killing a partner. Like I said, you did win, but some people were starting to see me as possibly town before you decided to bus me. It might have been an easier win than what actually happened.
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Post Post #2702 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:06 pm

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Guy_Named_Riggs wrote:
Elmo TeH AzN wrote:I died 98 pages ago =/

You're welcome

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Im still bitter. I had a decent chance = /
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Post Post #2703 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:24 pm

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Tierce wrote:The mafia QT posts were pretty terrible before you replaced in, imo.

That's right! ... Which is partly why I lost interest in this game :( . I'm aware you are including me too, but it's hard to work with people who can't/won't even suggest a nightkill.
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Post Post #2704 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:26 pm

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Did we play in a marathon game cfj? Thanks for winning this anyway. And gg everyone else.
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Post Post #2705 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:18 pm

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saulres wrote:Question for those who were alive when I had to claim, and didn't know Panda was also a werewolf: Did I succeed in convincing any of you that it was just Amrun and me?
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Post Post #2706 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:03 pm

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To clarify, Tierce could have just ignored the PM and nothing would have happened.

@PF ok, I'll PM LF about it.
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Post Post #2707 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:13 pm

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SAULRES

We must do this again sometime. :3

Brizingre's lynch was the most satisfying ever.

That is all.

Oh, and BBmolla, you were legitimately really wrong about theory, and everyone who thought Phillamon was a survivor but didn't want to lynch him were wrong too.
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Post Post #2708 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:41 am

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callforjudgement wrote:Bleh, seems RedPanda did figure out I was scum quite quickly. I tried, but it's really hard to look town in a neighbour QT.

If I'd known, I'd have claimed and started plotting together. (Our last conversation was very much that of two scum trying to have a discussion without giving away that they were scum, it's pretty fun to read if you know the alignments.) That said, there would have been serious backstabbing going on eventually, and probably sooner or later; it'd have been more like Diplomacy than Mafia.


I was actually trying to subtly tell you that killing me was a bad idea. And I thought by threatening to kill dana, you wouldn't even consider killing me.

lol. Maybe I should have just gone all in. that would have been amusing end game.

congrats on your win. you played really well.

I really hope that neither of us die.

I don't want them to go all paranoid about the masons if one of us die.


the scum are pretty obviously between mcqueen, phil saul trevor and dana.

there's like 2 mafia in there and probably 2 wws.

I seriously hope saulres kills dana tonight preferably.
I think phil is town.

We can just cruise through the game lynching in this order.

tomorrow saul
next dana
next mcqueen
next trevor.


all the bolded was me trying to sneakily tell you that we should work together. lol.
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Post Post #2709 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:43 am

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I'm mad y'all lynched me after reading 70 pages and posting like twice
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Post Post #2710 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:47 am

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Also foaxace didn't trick me into believing that he was town.

I thought your slot was town all the time till the amrun death.

I really thought there was only our scumteam.

The first time I realized that there were two was after amruns death.

I was trying to play the paranoid card when I outed as a mason and started painting suspicion over chimera to get town cred.

And I didn't want foxace lynched so when he told me that story, I just reworked it as much as I could to tell him and that I didn't think he was scum anymore.
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Post Post #2711 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:51 am

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danakillsu wrote:Liked the players except for RedPanda (unsportsmanlike conduct), liked the mod, didn't like the setup. No offense but it was extraordinarily townsided. Good job, cfj, I don't agree with the way you played the game, but it did win it for us, so congrats.


ouch.

You were scum. I was using all the right reasons and ways to paint you as scum and tried to get you lynched.

You were going herp derp I wont say anything. you suck for asking me and not just believing I'm town.
You were bullshitting to me every post. I called you out for what it was bullshit. your overall play was useless to the town.
and the arguments got heated.

Thats basic mafia.

you should quit the site and play pokemon or something if you can't handle it.
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Post Post #2712 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:02 am

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Tierce wrote:@RedPanda:

All for you. <3


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Post Post #2713 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:03 am

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dana, what about the setup makes you say that? Both scum had one very powerful role and one moderately powerful role, plus the masonry to help root out the other team. Town really didn't have many strong PRs, and several roles intentionally messed with the town. Even the third party roles were more likely to harm the town than help them, especially Elmo. I'm not sure what more I could have done, short of rigging the Dice to make it useless.
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Post Post #2714 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:00 am

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callforjudgement wrote:@saulres: you wouldn't lie about your post restriction either, you'd just not claim


I don't think that would have worked. I would have been lynched for not being willing to say it.
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Post Post #2715 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:02 am

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I actually thought of the perfect fake PR for you, saulres: you should have spoken only in questions. "Am I town?" is not any sort of claim.

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Post Post #2716 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:09 am

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callforjudgement wrote:I actually thought of the perfect fake PR for you, saulres: you should have spoken only in questions. "Am I town?" is not any sort of claim.


I, in a PM to izak, wrote:Would lying about a fake post restriction break my post restriction?

izak wrote:Yes, that would be breaking it.


Also, I think I forgot to mention that it wasn't just that I couldn't lie about my role -- I couldn't even
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anything. There was a post on the previous day where I said "I was town", but I couldn't point to it saying "I did this yesterday, I see no reason to do this again," because that would be implying that I was town.

It was seriously harsh. izak can tell you how many times I asked him questions trying to worm my way out of it.
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Post Post #2717 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:13 am

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Ouch! I'd worded it as just "cannot fakeclaim" when I suggested it to Captain Haddock; it seems that izak took a particularly strong interpretation of it.
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Post Post #2718 (ISO) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:46 am

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izakthegoomba wrote:dana, what about the setup makes you say that? Both scum had one very powerful role and one moderately powerful role, plus the masonry to help root out the other team. Town really didn't have many strong PRs, and several roles intentionally messed with the town. Even the third party roles were more likely to harm the town than help them, especially Elmo. I'm not sure what more I could have done, short of rigging the Dice to make it useless.


Well, the fact that for my team, we had one role that should have made people immediately lynch either a person on our team or a person on the werewolf team (masons). We had one role that outed one of our members as an enemy to the person it was used on (gold digger), because it was called "Marital Harmony". At the very least, that role forced me to fakeclaim something convoluted. And finally, we had one role that took serious creativity to do something useful with. This was a team of 3 in a game of 25 players. I don't think anyone would expect us to win. Also, as I mentioned before, town had a lot of mislynches despite having power roles that could help them NOT mislynch, and they still could have won at 3-way lylo.
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Post Post #2719 (ISO) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:20 am

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Well, your original plan to take out ShadowGirl and steal her power would have been fine if you hadn't messed it up. I don't know what you mean about Haddock's role. It doesn't need that much creativity to neutralise a role when you can hand out post restrictions, it just wasn't handled too well. And as you can see, towns rarely follow the optimal route. Both CFJ and RP lived well past the "kill because Masons isn't bastard enough" stage. In fact, if anything your team was borderline OP after I cut back Amrun's powers from the original.
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Post Post #2720 (ISO) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:07 am

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After some thought, mafia/wolf masons is pretty much pure negative utility; the more information the scumteams have about each other, the easier it is for town.

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Post Post #2721 (ISO) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:30 pm

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The only thing I agree with Dana about is the Marital harmony quicktopic name. A scumteam can't have a big chance of winning when theres 2 scumteams.

I think the other scumteam was a bit more powerful but we won anyway so that was obviously no big deal. The things I liked least about the setup is the dice, Friztlers role and having to make up a fakeclaim. But overall it was a good setup.
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Post Post #2722 (ISO) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:14 am

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callforjudgement wrote:Ouch! I'd worded it as just "cannot fakeclaim" when I suggested it to Captain Haddock; it seems that izak took a particularly strong interpretation of it.

WHY DIDN'T YOU GIVE THAT POST RESTRICTION TO ME?!
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Post Post #2723 (ISO) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:17 am

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mcqueen wrote:
callforjudgement wrote:Ouch! I'd worded it as just "cannot fakeclaim" when I suggested it to Captain Haddock; it seems that izak took a particularly strong interpretation of it.

WHY DIDN'T YOU GIVE THAT POST RESTRICTION TO ME?!


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Post Post #2724 (ISO) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:49 am

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@mcqueen: because we wanted to confirm saulres as scum, confirming a townie as town would have been counterproductive…
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