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Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:11 am**

essentially, my view here is that of

"i don't understand it; therefore, i will attempt to kill it"

and i feel that i am completely justified in my actions after the ways in which you are treating mastin and anti.

i'm expressing agreement in your goal in that i, mostly during the latter half of day 1, felt like this game would have gone better if they weren't...... here.

i'm expressing bewilderment at your

choice of conduct

, in that you quoting their post, deleting an important line from their post, and then criticizing them for a "lack" of the information given in the line you deliberately deleted, is something that i absolutely cannot understand why you would do that as town.

the closest explanation i can think of for you being town and doing that is that you just want to aggravate them, but in turn you're aggravating me because i see it as a horrible thing to do.

it's much, much easier to come up with reasons why you would want to do that as scum, and the whole action simply makes more sense with you being scum.

[marquis]

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:19 am**

↑ Thor665 wrote:Let's go slow - walk me through how I figured my "misrep" would work since the person I was misrepping was the person I quoted and talked to. I mean, was my plan to hope he would forget he had answered...? Or was my hope that he would freak out but be unable to manage to point out that I'd snipped the post? Whih was I hoping for? Or is there a third option?

i'd rather not.

i'm trying to figure out what your motivations for misrepresenting necromancers' post were, so i'm asking.

now you're just deliberately withholding the answer.

which gives me yet another action for which i'm trying to figure out the motivations of.

because i'm not going to come up with the reasons for you.

simply put, you're refusing to be open about this and fmpov stopping me from trying to understand what's really going on here.

i'm completely fine with just lynching you instead of having to deal with more and more rhetorical-questions-that-are-not-answers-that-i-care-about.

[marquis]

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:31 am**

I would submit your inability to accredit the action to a scum mindset is pretty much all the effort I need to produce in order to show the value of your case.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:38 am**

Making a scum mindset there is easy. You win if people don't notice you edited it out. You win if they do bc you can clsim that would be too stupid for Thor scum.

I can't say I agree but there's enough there to make a case with.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:54 am**

↑ Thor665 wrote:I would submit your inability to accredit the action to a scum mindset is pretty much all the effort I need to produce in order to show the value of your case.

i'm pretty sure i actually did.

and all other assumptions of a town mindset are just that- assumptions, in order for me to try and figure out the likelihood that those town mindsets are even possible.

just because i chose to evaluate your actions from a potential town mindset doesn't mean i can only see it as town.

it just means i chose to use the "these are the reasons why thor would do this as town and they ultimately don't make sense at all compared to the simple explanation that he's scum" approach rather than the "keep giving the simple explanation that he's scum while ignoring potential town mindsets" approach.

or in other words, i went through the scenarios of town-you doing that, ruled them out, and came to you being scum through

process of elimination

.

ftr i'm not unvoting.

[marquis]

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:59 pm**

*facepalm* Are we really debating Thor scum? No. Just no. We need votes elsewhere. Seriously.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:33 pm**

Thor probably isn't scum, especially with how hard Doublade went after him.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:12 pm**

It's more his inability to even consider the 'maybe Thor just didn't notice it, which would explain why when it was pointed out he just immediately went into the next question of whatever it is he's trying to do there' concept.
Honestly I'm mildly sad you're entertaining it too - it's beyond stupid.
I'll even toss out one of my assured Thor meta commentaries - I've literally never done a snipe and run misrep as scum ever.

To be perfectly honest - I've never seen scum do it ever either.
I'm guessing you and Doublade have...somewhere. But I haven't.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:06 pm**

Thor, I live in grey areas as scum. I do more with enhancing ambiguities than selective quoting. However, quoting out of context is pretty much the only way I ever get mislynched. That's what you did here to Necro. Intentional or not is bickering about alignment. I believe it was accidental but can I prove that? No.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:47 pm**

↑ mastin2 wrote:(I love it when people try to use my own MD theory against me. It's fun watching their cocky smirks turn to horror as what sounded like a brilliant idea full of irony is revealed to be a wakening of a slumbering beast that is preying in a turf they are intimately familiar with, against prey that just now realizes they're in hostile grounds, and they realize that they had absolutely no clue what they were up against.)

I'm working through other things right now, nothing to do with Necro. I'm trying to answer one of my scum reads (Rach) as to why I've been scum reading them, practically since I replaced in, but this post caught my eye, and I couldn't help but chuckle at it. Just wanted to share some creative writing I liked. Necro's good at painting word pictures.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:12 pm**

↑ jon_h61 wrote:
↑ mastin2 wrote:(I love it when people try to use my own MD theory against me. It's fun watching their cocky smirks turn to horror as what sounded like a brilliant idea full of irony is revealed to be a wakening of a slumbering beast that is preying in a turf they are intimately familiar with, against prey that just now realizes they're in hostile grounds, and they realize that they had absolutely no clue what they were up against.)

I'm working through other things right now, nothing to do with Necro. I'm trying to answer one of my scum reads (Rach) as to why I've been scum reading them, practically since I replaced in, but this post caught my eye, and I couldn't help but chuckle at it. Just wanted to share some creative writing I liked. Necro's good at painting word pictures.

Well, I am one of the few that actually got Mastina lynched with her MD. I was scum though.That being said, I love it when a plan is destroyed and comes together.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:27 pm**

Field Polarity:

Dark

Vote CountDoublade (1): Titus
Saki (0):
ZZZX (5): Thor665, Dry-fit, Eddie Fenix, Jon_h61, Xayzeck
PeregrineV (0):
Eddie Fenix (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Dry-fit (1): Saki
Malakittens (0):
Perpetual Nonsense (0):
Thor665 (2): The Necromancers, Doublade
Jon_h61 (0):
Xayzeck (0):
The Necromancers (1): PeregrineV
Titus (3): Sharpest-knife-on-tree, TiphaineDeath, Malakittens
Jordan_Downey (0):
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (4): RachMarie, ZZZX, Perepetual Nonsense, Jordan_Downey

It is day 3. With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day ends on Thursday, July 24 at 12:00pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-07-24 12:00:00).

Malakittens is V/LA until Sunday, July 13.
Titus is V/LA until Thursday, July 17.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:45 pm**

↑ RachMarie wrote:Why do you think I have a scum role Jon? If it is based on activity then you are free to go stalk the other games on site. Do you think I have scum roles in ALL the games ?

Developing diabetes is not a scum tell, sorry try again.

I almost never consider absences due to Meat World scum tells. If someone goes silent after being a frequent poster,

and

getting a little heat, then I might. Rach is doing one of the best jobs of

active

lurking I think I've ever seen. Like riding a raft through rough rapids. I just can't quantify her posts into a Town mindset.

It's more the tone of your posts, added to your voting history. You don't really look like you're out after scum. I may go back and cut quote strips to better show what I'm talking about. I admit, I could be wrong, but this is my stance right now. I'm glad you're

almost

Town reading me and all, but you might be, just to try to get me to look elsewhere for scum. Remember? Those with scum roles are deceptive.

One last thing I thought about right before I hit submit, weren't you scum reading ZZZX?

Spoiler:

Doublade is next, I done a lot of foot work already.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:12 pm**

Feel free to compare that to other D1s

BTW if you want to know why early on I was scum reading Pere, it was the way he was posting and the attitude he had felt very much like games he was scum in. Later his posting style did improve and appeared more like the towny Pere. So I felt like I could put him in the town pile . As for active lurking were you aware I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes on July 1? That is why I went V/LA. Even before I was diagnosed, I was having issues with fatigue, and trouble with focus and concentration. This worsened as I radically altered the diet and started pushing myself to exercise. Still not completely up to par. And feel free to meta stalk me on site including my GTKAS thread (link in sig) you will see it is across the board.

Seriously dude you have played with me before, why is your read so off base?

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:29 pm**

I have played with you, several times, and I think I even once scum read you (through the first portion of the game) when you were Town. In all my "evidence", I never used lurking, or more precisely, not posting, as a reason. I too have health problems, and they suck!!! Outside of this game, I emphasize, but in this game, I'll still wager you're scum. I'm not voting you, yet, and stretching your neck isn't high priority, but please, glance through my spoiler and correct me on how I'm seeing things wrong. Since you know me, you should know I'm quick to admit mistakes, and will change my reads when they're proven mistaken.

I'm going to bed, g'night all.

Posted: **Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:22 pm**

I'm about to go to bed for the night, but before I do I'd like to let y'all know that I am going to get to this game. Tomorrow. I've missed too much of this game and forgotten even more, so I'd be useless if I tried to get to anything tonight.

We didn't change polarities. If anyone has not claimed whether they did, or if anyone did not claim yesterday, please do so.

If there is anything I need to address that aphix hasn't already answered, I'd be pretty happy to have you address me.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:07 am**

↑ Doublade wrote:
↑ Thor665 wrote:I would submit your inability to accredit the action to a scum mindset is pretty much all the effort I need to produce in order to show the value of your case.

i'm pretty sure i actually did.

and all other assumptions of a town mindset are just that- assumptions, in order for me to try and figure out the likelihood that those town mindsets are even possible.

just because i chose to evaluate your actions from a potential town mindset doesn't mean i can only see it as town.

it just means i chose to use the "these are the reasons why thor would do this as town and they ultimately don't make sense at all compared to the simple explanation that he's scum" approach rather than the "keep giving the simple explanation that he's scum while ignoring potential town mindsets" approach.

or in other words, i went through the scenarios of town-you doing that, ruled them out, and came to you being scum through
process of elimination
.

ftr i'm not unvoting.

[marquis]

Marquis town posting here.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:14 am**

Lets take my wagon and decompose it:

ZZZX (5): Thor665, Dry-fit, Eddie Fenix, Jon_h61, Xayzeck

Thor665: Never played with him - Townish with really naive posting and bad logic
Dry-fit: Never played with him Scummish
Eddie Fenix: Never played with him Idk
Jon_h61: Never played with him Scummish
Xayzeck: Playing with him/played with him in a finished game. Afaik its the latter but I wont comment about his meta until I am sure. Really Scum Stuff... I dont even know if he is scum or just trolling town.

Let me apply pressure to help know it.

Vote Xayzeck

interesting facts about my wagon:
Its mostly made up from people who dont know my playstyle
Its not made of a case
People who know me are not voting me.
Made by people known to be scummy be everyone
Clearly a mislynch.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:35 am**

↑ Titus wrote:Thor, I live in grey areas as scum. I do more with enhancing ambiguities than selective quoting. However, quoting out of context is pretty much the only way I ever get mislynched. That's what you did here to Necro. Intentional or not is bickering about alignment. I believe it was accidental but can I prove that? No.

Yeah...except I didn't quote anything out of context. i agree that's scummy and that scum do it and that I've seen that.
What I'm being accussed of is saying someone didn't do something they did do - by cutting it out of the post they did it in and otherwise quoting the post...

↑ ZZZX wrote:interesting
facts
about my wagon:
Its mostly made up from people who dont know my playstyle
Its not made of a case
People who know me are not voting me.
Made by people known to be scummy be everyone
Clearly a mislynch.

1. Maybe so - my vote has nothing to do with playstyle unless your playstyle is to lie though.
2. It has made a case. You have even claimed to have disproven the case that hasn't been made.
3. Maybe so.
4. We are?
5. It is? I wasn't aware you were obv. town to anyone.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:38 am**

Thor, that's a tomatoes tomatoes argument. Inappropriate context can be done by selective quoting or midification. That being said, I don't see myself voting you cuz Doublade is.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:38 am**

I am out for the day.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:46 am**

↑ Titus wrote:Thor, that's a tomatoes tomatoes argument. Inappropriate context can be done by selective quoting or midification. That being said, I don't see myself voting you cuz Doublade is.

Show me any scum doing it ever and I'll retract the issue.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:47 am**

Look at any scumgame of mine.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:49 am**

I would find specifics and analyze but I have movers coming at 3. Look at minitheme UPick for the best examples.

Posted: **Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:59 am**

I politely refuse to do any sort of search for you cutting out a comment from a quote and denying it happened - I have no idea how to Ctrl+F that.

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