In post 2698, Blake Belladonna wrote:I find it highly amusing how many players are expressing that I'm either a scumread or a PoE read, and yet nobody has tried to wagon me yet.
ur not cute enough for a vote.
also i am more sure of ss than u. Why would i move votes for a lean scum
In post 2698, Blake Belladonna wrote:I find it highly amusing how many players are expressing that I'm either a scumread or a PoE read, and yet nobody has tried to wagon me yet.
What's amusing about that? It's not like people can only have one scumread.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:57 am
by skitter30
In post 2695, Menalque wrote:I don’t think I’ve seen you ask people to vote with you that much? Like you’ve been saying why you wanna lynch S_S but you haven’t been (I don’t think) asking individual players or groups of players to vote with you that much and then following up with them if they’re hesitant to try to get them to vote there. I think you’re kinda doing it with me now, but I don’t think you’ve done that specifically that much and that’s what I mean by “wagon building”
i mean i've been presenting why i think ss is scum and why i think the person people are voting is town but ok
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:57 am
by Bingle
In post 2695, Menalque wrote:I don’t think I’ve seen you ask people to vote with you that much? Like you’ve been saying why you wanna lynch S_S but you haven’t been (I don’t think) asking individual players or groups of players to vote with you that much and then following up with them if they’re hesitant to try to get them to vote there. I think you’re kinda doing it with me now, but I don’t think you’ve done that specifically that much and that’s what I mean by “wagon building”
She reached out pretty hard to me.
I'm actually jiving pretty hard with Mena's readslist a few pages ago.
In post 2698, Blake Belladonna wrote:I find it highly amusing how many players are expressing that I'm either a scumread or a PoE read, and yet nobody has tried to wagon me yet.
What's amusing about that? It's not like people can only have one scumread.
Because by now, at least half of the playerlist, if not close to everybody has done so up to this point.
In post 2682, Menalque wrote:Idk I don’t feel like you’ve been seriously wagon building on S_S and if you did I think you’d have more votes there?
this is dumb
Why is this dumb firebringer?
because ur using circular reasoning.
if X to happen Y were to happen, but for Y to happen X would have had to.
Like come on.
Nah I don’t see it my G
If skitter were trying harder to wagon build there would be more votes on SS
There would be more votes on SS if skitter has been trying harder to wagon build
I see no problem with the logic of this statement so if there is maybe I am dumb but it feels a lot like the same argument just stated two ways instead of circular reasoning
In post 2698, Blake Belladonna wrote:I find it highly amusing how many players are expressing that I'm either a scumread or a PoE read, and yet nobody has tried to wagon me yet.
What's amusing about that? It's not like people can only have one scumread.
Hey S_S what are your reads and what do you make of what’s happening atm?
blake why is ss null?
what happened to {me/ss not being svt}?
That's a somewhat outdated sentiment.
I have a better understanding of where the game stands right now than I did when I made that statement, so it's not very high on my priorities to resolve. It also doesn't hold a very strong bearing on my understanding of the game, so it would do relatively little for me to resolve immediately regardless.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:59 am
by skitter30
ss now that gobble flipped town how does that affect how you've been viewing the game?
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:00 am
by Bingle
In post 2612, Menalque wrote:Datisi, skitter - town
Blake, bingle
A50 - townlean
S_S - null
Firebringer, mariaR, PP - nullscum
Lilith - scum
More confident on the townreads than the scumreads, but this gives me the warm fuzzies and I don't think it was sculpted with me in mind, so I don't think it's a pocket attempt.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:00 am
by skitter30
bingle what do you think about blake's list?
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:01 am
by Menalque
I read A50 as town on play but I think that hammer was pretty bad and so that bumps him down a bit. I think he probably is the sort of player who’d risk a bit of towncred to get a quickhammer off, esp if S_S does end up flipping scum
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:02 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2707, Menalque wrote:Hey S_S what are your reads and what do you make of what’s happening atm?
Honestly what gobble did has left me pretty tilted and not in the mood to effort. I still think Bingle looks the worst of the people who were pushing me, skitter was obvtown even before the vig claim, lilith is a giant question mark, you and A50 are town I think.
In post 2695, Menalque wrote:I don’t think I’ve seen you ask people to vote with you that much? Like you’ve been saying why you wanna lynch S_S but you haven’t been (I don’t think) asking individual players or groups of players to vote with you that much and then following up with them if they’re hesitant to try to get them to vote there. I think you’re kinda doing it with me now, but I don’t think you’ve done that specifically that much and that’s what I mean by “wagon building”
i mean i've been presenting why i think ss is scum and why i think the person people are voting is town but ok
Okay, yeah I’d agree with that, I just don’t explicitly consider that to be wagon building?
If you’re now thinking lilith is scum then what do you make of the fact that she’s also seen a lot of resistance both D1 and today?
In post 2650, Menalque wrote:I kinda think either we have a solve or there’s like the entire scumteam in (bingle, Blake, skitter, A50) and the game is deeply fucked
You just need to explain why and Maria are both still alive if any combination of that pool is scum together.
Why who and Maria are still alive?
*Why YOU and Maria.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:05 am
by Menalque
Bingle who do you wanna lynch today?
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:05 am
by Something_Smart
Lilith's interactions leading up to skitter's claim look pretty awful but I think the fact that she's receiving pressure over me makes her town unless the scum are really bus-happy.
In post 2682, Menalque wrote:Idk I don’t feel like you’ve been seriously wagon building on S_S and if you did I think you’d have more votes there?
this is dumb
Why is this dumb firebringer?
because ur using circular reasoning.
if X to happen Y were to happen, but for Y to happen X would have had to.
Like come on.
Nah I don’t see it my G
If skitter were trying harder to wagon build there would be more votes on SS
There would be more votes on SS if skitter has been trying harder to wagon build
I see no problem with the logic of this statement so if there is maybe I am dumb but it feels a lot like the same argument just stated two ways instead of circular reasoning
hmm i think ur right its not circular.
but its still wrong premise. either way.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:06 am
by Bingle
In post 2706, Menalque wrote:If skitter were trying harder to wagon build there would be more votes on SS
I disagree.
Skitt's was pushing against the power of LAL and SS added to the apathy of the town. She had an uphill battle from the get go. Assuming that a lack of results when rolling a boulder up a hill is a direct result of a lack of effort as opposed to a result of the difficulty of the task is flawed.
The argument for SS being scum is comparatively weak to some cases, but she most definitely HAS been pushing it.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:07 am
by Blake Belladonna
VOTE: Lilith2013
L-2
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:07 am
by skitter30
In post 2714, Menalque wrote:If you’re now thinking lilith is scum then what do you make of the fact that she’s also seen a lot of resistance both D1 and today?
yeah that's not great, and i think what she said earlier wrt the pink ball kill before i claimed was group-scum indicative
she like weirdly defended ss too yesterday so i'm not sure what to do with that
i think there's at least one scum in the two of them
i guess i just want to cover our bases to ensure they aren't tvt cuz then we'll be kinda screwed day4 (or maybe even tomorrow?)
I lean SS atm, but that's mostly on the basis of trusting skitter and a weird feeling that SS was frustrated yesterday that what by all rights should have been a free mislynch was as hard as it was wrt Gobbles.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:08 am
by skitter30
In post 2717, Something_Smart wrote:Lilith's interactions leading up to skitter's claim look pretty awful but I think the fact that she's receiving pressure over me makes her town unless the scum are really bus-happy.
i don't understand why being pressured more than you would make her town unless you were scum?
and i'm assuming you're not arguign that you're scum here
You just need to explain why and Maria are both still alive if any combination of that pool is scum together.