In post 2642, unwnd wrote:I don't get where you decided LLD was the one you wanted to vote; what did you think FL having your back and your read on him.
Since I have to do your work for you, I will compile a list of times LLD and Cobra have been mentioned in my iso below.
This comes around the time I vote the Gamma wagon. LLD joins it around the same time and immediately seems to discredit my Cabd townread (granted Cabd was defending Gamma, but there you go). Not really a big red flag there by any means.
LLD does vote Gamma here (before me), and it was only 5 minutes after Gamma makes that post, which gave me the impression she either could have been following along or just chosen a post from whatever page she happened to join the game in on to vote (a la RVS style). Her reaction to my aforementioned readslist (which happened almost immediately thereafter) makes me think she was probably following along to some degree.
In post 832, Cobra Kai wrote:I think Gamma’s stance on LLD is very surface level. I’m townreading LLD. Before it’s asked, no I don’t have an explainable reason.
Do you think Gamma is sus then? Or...?
Just wondering what the point of this post is.
Cobra Kai makes a weird distinction regarding both Gamma and LLD. I wanted to know if there was some connection or what. I don't believe I ever got a response.
This is me asking Nacho about his impressions of LLD. All I got were ?'s (which I think were fair, but I was hoping for something at least, after all she had a short iso, and he has way more experience with her than I do).
It only takes her like 15 minutes to respond to it, once again making me think she's at least following along.
In post 2180, Cabd wrote:Oh extremely. I got a random paranoia ping at a post gulitinna or whatever made a while back but didn't voice it but you clearly got pinged somewhere on there too.
Weird, guillotina is definitely not the one I would have picked out of those two.
I was a little thrown off at first too, because the scum read I was initially talking about was LLD, but once I ISO’d Guill more, I think they have a lot of scum equity.
LLD and Cobra Kai are both in my scumpool.
Guillotine pings me weird at first, but whenever I actually read his posts, I start to think he's town. I haven't really looked at him in the grand scheme of things.
And then we get to here where I end up crashing into whatever it was Flavor Leaf was doing at the time.
Alright, now Flavor Leaf (161 posts FML, it's okay I know I can skip ~80% of it).
Spoiler:
In post 2153, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think there’s scum within Lady and Guillotina. Both were strong onto Nora, and decided to actively avoid when it got hot.
In post 1398, Guillotina wrote:I'm definitely not voting Cakez today. The guy is getting pushed based on an evidence claim that Cabd cannot present due to site's rules.
In other words, if they cannot be presented they don't exist! Imagine if we could convict people based on non corroborated proof in real life! A lot more people would be in jail!
We gotta take his word for it? Like hell I will, I don't know this guy!
We either find real evidence to yeet Cakez or vote someone else.
In post 1765, Cabd wrote:I will self-vote tomorrow if I'm wrong, which will reveal my info in a mod-confirmed way and put us down two town plus whoever dies to night kill but whatever. At least you'll have all the info. And see exactly why I am doing what I am doing.
Cakez man I am sorry RNG fucked you over bud but like, we can hug after your team shoots me night one in the dead thread and make up and play footsies.
If you are this sure to bet your own life on it by compromising to self-vote. I'll bite.
If he flips green with an important ability, i'll be mad. Crown Prince level mad.
VOTE: SirCakez
It’s this trajectory for me. It looks like they know Cakez is town, but want you to push through it while it’s known they were against it, but then they jumped on both Noraa and Cakez. I think Noraa looks like a bus vote, but then it got hot, so they finally accepted they will need to join Cakez.
In post 761, Flavor Leaf wrote:Acting in bad faith, Gamma, you the one out here yelling to policy obv town Battle Mage, could you tell I was leaning scum on you here, so you had to turn it on me because you noticed me not defending. I was trying to stay out of it because I’ve misread you a decent amount recently,
In post 1759, SirCakez wrote:Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying
I wanna fight for you but honestly at this point its post humous.
If you flip town Cabd is gonna die. That is my promise to you.
Sorry.
And for Lady, they had hard Gamma rage, posting style is short and limited, they joined Noraa early, Noraa got hot, then moved to Cakez. Extremely similar. They act like Cabd gonna die if Cabd misfades SirCakez.
So Guillotina and Lady are in the same boat, similar trajectory.
I wanna rail Noraa a bit more, but I can see a townNoraa world. It just happens to looks similar to a acumNoraa world
In post 2210, Flavor Leaf wrote:That read on LLD is a read in its own right. People who know her can’t push her because she’s actively doing a weird post thing.
In post 2220, Flavor Leaf wrote:Cabd
Cobra Kai
Dunnstral
Gamma Emerald
Guillotina
l4pe
Lady Lambdadelta
MariaR
Noraa
unwnd
Will catch up later maybe (Nachomamma8/zMuffinMan)
This is probably my bottom 50%, and by that I mean, these players have failed to make me consider them as townie or they’ve actively done something I feel could mean they are scum regardless of my actual read on them, if that makes sense. I believe my paranoia with Gamma and Cabd is a good sign, personally. I almost included ffery hydra here.
Way too early analysis conclusion - around 4 scum in that list. This is a confirmed 5 scum game, right?
Happy to follow Fire here, and I’ve been happy with your slot thus far
This is what I remember from Flavor Leafs catch-up. He already had his own trajectory going towards LLD that was independent of me. It just so happened that the two of us wanted to wagon LLD, just for different reasons. I personally do not see a huge issue with it, but I admittedly am skimming several portions of this game.
I don't have any particular issue with Flavor Leaf up to this point and do have him in my townread pile.
In post 2642, unwnd wrote:but I feel your posts are leading up to something that never comes.
I'm not really sure what you think I
should
be doing. I'm still trying to push my suspicions, but at the moment, two of my stronger townreads (Cabd and Fferyhydra) feel very strongly that Cakez is scum. I feel less strongly about it, but who am I to deny them of their convictions? There's a limit one can and should do without detracting from wagons that matter. Yes, I can push and argue for pages on end with my scumreads (and have been known to do so), but if it derails a lynch on possible scum, then who is it really benefitting?
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:32 pm
by unwnd
Oh I'm not distracting you I'm taking LLD's advice, I want your head on my plate
Cake, Noraa, both? Don't gotta vote em, but wanna know where you stand. In your own words. As of this post.
theyre both hmm. obnoxious is a strong word but something within that ballpark
i know you wrote up a cake case, yeah? mind reposting so i dont need to read back so far after i finish showering? would be cool
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:33 pm
by Cabd
Brian, you got your masonry with me like you wanted pregame. It's just in thread because bork kept the hoods to the mechanic this time.
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:33 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 2696, unwnd wrote:Just blindly believe me I am Flavor Leaf and I approve this message
This is just like...such a surface level response, I don't know how to read Unwnd, so I'm expecting other people to here.
Like, I get how someone could think this, but like, something's off. I'm actively trying to open people's eyes, not asking them to keep them closed.
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:33 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 2691, Flavor Leaf wrote:LLD's aggressiveness there seems fake and looks like a discredit attempt. That was my absolute first time reaching out, and trying to figure out if I was wrong on their slot, but I caught their partner Maria out.
Discredit.... attempt?
You're talking to me. About your reasons. For wagoning me.
I'm asking you a very fair question of "why the fuck should I care about this".
What exactly am I discrediting?
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:34 pm
by Fermis Flames
In post 2690, Cobra Kai wrote:I’ll be on Cakez once Tammy signals she’s done whatever she wanted more time for.
That wasn't Charm. It was me. I'm strangely pleased when I'm misrecognized in the Ya Ya Sisterhood.
We had a couple questions for our Esteemed Game Host, and we have gotten not the answers we wanted, but the answers we can have.
Thank you kindly for giving us the time we asked for.
We're good.
Wagon ho.
~ Strangely Altered Ego
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:34 pm
by Cabd
In post 2702, L4pe wrote:i know you wrote up a cake case, yeah? mind reposting so i dont need to read back so far after i finish showering? would be cool
since when did you start thinking that blindly sheeping your town reads is a good thing
-nacho
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:34 pm
by Brian Skies
At least three pages have been generated since the construction of my last post.
I'm at a loss for words right now.
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:34 pm
by unwnd
Beeboy if you townread me then vote Flavor Leaf
If this statement of me being townread is true to anyone else, then vote him as well
Do not let his seeds be sown
--
LLD it's not that I cant post like this, it's just that I hate posting like this but for the betterment of town
In post 2642, unwnd wrote:I don't get where you decided LLD was the one you wanted to vote; what did you think FL having your back and your read on him.
Since I have to do your work for you, I will compile a list of times LLD and Cobra have been mentioned in my iso below.
This comes around the time I vote the Gamma wagon. LLD joins it around the same time and immediately seems to discredit my Cabd townread (granted Cabd was defending Gamma, but there you go). Not really a big red flag there by any means.
LLD does vote Gamma here (before me), and it was only 5 minutes after Gamma makes that post, which gave me the impression she either could have been following along or just chosen a post from whatever page she happened to join the game in on to vote (a la RVS style). Her reaction to my aforementioned readslist (which happened almost immediately thereafter) makes me think she was probably following along to some degree.
In post 832, Cobra Kai wrote:I think Gamma’s stance on LLD is very surface level. I’m townreading LLD. Before it’s asked, no I don’t have an explainable reason.
Do you think Gamma is sus then? Or...?
Just wondering what the point of this post is.
Cobra Kai makes a weird distinction regarding both Gamma and LLD. I wanted to know if there was some connection or what. I don't believe I ever got a response.
This is me asking Nacho about his impressions of LLD. All I got were ?'s (which I think were fair, but I was hoping for something at least, after all she had a short iso, and he has way more experience with her than I do).
It only takes her like 15 minutes to respond to it, once again making me think she's at least following along.
In post 2180, Cabd wrote:Oh extremely. I got a random paranoia ping at a post gulitinna or whatever made a while back but didn't voice it but you clearly got pinged somewhere on there too.
Weird, guillotina is definitely not the one I would have picked out of those two.
I was a little thrown off at first too, because the scum read I was initially talking about was LLD, but once I ISO’d Guill more, I think they have a lot of scum equity.
LLD and Cobra Kai are both in my scumpool.
Guillotine pings me weird at first, but whenever I actually read his posts, I start to think he's town. I haven't really looked at him in the grand scheme of things.
And then we get to here where I end up crashing into whatever it was Flavor Leaf was doing at the time.
Alright, now Flavor Leaf (161 posts FML, it's okay I know I can skip ~80% of it).
Spoiler:
In post 2153, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think there’s scum within Lady and Guillotina. Both were strong onto Nora, and decided to actively avoid when it got hot.
In post 1398, Guillotina wrote:I'm definitely not voting Cakez today. The guy is getting pushed based on an evidence claim that Cabd cannot present due to site's rules.
In other words, if they cannot be presented they don't exist! Imagine if we could convict people based on non corroborated proof in real life! A lot more people would be in jail!
We gotta take his word for it? Like hell I will, I don't know this guy!
We either find real evidence to yeet Cakez or vote someone else.
In post 1765, Cabd wrote:I will self-vote tomorrow if I'm wrong, which will reveal my info in a mod-confirmed way and put us down two town plus whoever dies to night kill but whatever. At least you'll have all the info. And see exactly why I am doing what I am doing.
Cakez man I am sorry RNG fucked you over bud but like, we can hug after your team shoots me night one in the dead thread and make up and play footsies.
If you are this sure to bet your own life on it by compromising to self-vote. I'll bite.
If he flips green with an important ability, i'll be mad. Crown Prince level mad.
VOTE: SirCakez
It’s this trajectory for me. It looks like they know Cakez is town, but want you to push through it while it’s known they were against it, but then they jumped on both Noraa and Cakez. I think Noraa looks like a bus vote, but then it got hot, so they finally accepted they will need to join Cakez.
In post 761, Flavor Leaf wrote:Acting in bad faith, Gamma, you the one out here yelling to policy obv town Battle Mage, could you tell I was leaning scum on you here, so you had to turn it on me because you noticed me not defending. I was trying to stay out of it because I’ve misread you a decent amount recently,
In post 1759, SirCakez wrote:Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying
I wanna fight for you but honestly at this point its post humous.
If you flip town Cabd is gonna die. That is my promise to you.
Sorry.
And for Lady, they had hard Gamma rage, posting style is short and limited, they joined Noraa early, Noraa got hot, then moved to Cakez. Extremely similar. They act like Cabd gonna die if Cabd misfades SirCakez.
So Guillotina and Lady are in the same boat, similar trajectory.
I wanna rail Noraa a bit more, but I can see a townNoraa world. It just happens to looks similar to a acumNoraa world
In post 2210, Flavor Leaf wrote:That read on LLD is a read in its own right. People who know her can’t push her because she’s actively doing a weird post thing.
In post 2220, Flavor Leaf wrote:Cabd
Cobra Kai
Dunnstral
Gamma Emerald
Guillotina
l4pe
Lady Lambdadelta
MariaR
Noraa
unwnd
Will catch up later maybe (Nachomamma8/zMuffinMan)
This is probably my bottom 50%, and by that I mean, these players have failed to make me consider them as townie or they’ve actively done something I feel could mean they are scum regardless of my actual read on them, if that makes sense. I believe my paranoia with Gamma and Cabd is a good sign, personally. I almost included ffery hydra here.
Way too early analysis conclusion - around 4 scum in that list. This is a confirmed 5 scum game, right?
Happy to follow Fire here, and I’ve been happy with your slot thus far
This is what I remember from Flavor Leafs catch-up. He already had his own trajectory going towards LLD that was independent of me. It just so happened that the two of us wanted to wagon LLD, just for different reasons. I personally do not see a huge issue with it, but I admittedly am skimming several portions of this game.
I don't have any particular issue with Flavor Leaf up to this point and do have him in my townread pile.
In post 2642, unwnd wrote:but I feel your posts are leading up to something that never comes.
I'm not really sure what you think I
should
be doing. I'm still trying to push my suspicions, but at the moment, two of my stronger townreads (Cabd and Fferyhydra) feel very strongly that Cakez is scum. I feel less strongly about it, but who am I to deny them of their convictions? There's a limit one can and should do without detracting from wagons that matter. Yes, I can push and argue for pages on end with my scumreads (and have been known to do so), but if it derails a lynch on possible scum, then who is it really benefitting?
hey just a suggestion could you be a little less of a seething arrogant jackass to the clearly new player.
Just a suggestion.
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:35 pm
by Cabd
In post 2706, Fermis Flames wrote:I'm strangely pleased when I'm misrecognized in the Ya Ya Sisterhood.
Since ffery decided to take every opportunity to remind me that Albert was indeed scum in Advance Wars Mafia (who she felt strongly about and I kept her from lynching).
In post 2702, L4pe wrote:i know you wrote up a cake case, yeah? mind reposting so i dont need to read back so far after i finish showering? would be cool
In post 2691, Flavor Leaf wrote:LLD's aggressiveness there seems fake and looks like a discredit attempt. That was my absolute first time reaching out, and trying to figure out if I was wrong on their slot, but I caught their partner Maria out.
Discredit.... attempt?
You're talking to me. About your reasons. For wagoning me.
I'm asking you a very fair question of "why the fuck should I care about this".
What exactly am I discrediting?
this wasn't my response to that, the one I quoted you, and responded is the response to the why you should care.
I'm past this, past you, to be honest. Just throw a vote down on me so I can lay a trap.
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:37 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2676, Flavor Leaf wrote:I needed to see how people would react to the wagon to gauge all that around it.
Not gonna quote the whole post, just the upshot, but this is 1) a decently town mindset and 2) pretty much exactly in line with LLD’s wagon practices she just laid out imo. Flavor is town, and y’all should be seeing it.
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:37 pm
by Brian Skies
I also don't think I've ever voted Cakez yet, so yeah, that's definitely a thing.
In post 2715, unwnd wrote:Hint: I am not new I've been accustomed to this site since 2010 lmao
:thinking emoji:
Join Date: 2019
Post style: Ineffective
Voting: Firebringer
Well unfortunately in 2010 the meta was way way different, you know this don't you? Hyperposting became the norm somewhere around the turn of 2016. I've tried to avoid it
