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^nuanced approach*

Like if mastina had come out and asked fireisredsir to first confirm that their role doesn’t have any modifiers that would permanently interfere with actions on them, and they had said something like yes I can confirm I’m not [Miller / Ascetic], and then mastina had pushed and said well in that case either the Scum interfered with my action, were sitting on you with a Rolestopper, or you’re lying because… then I would be more inclined to believe it.

But this over the top declaration that they have an investigative result that confirms that fireisredsir is Scum, to then produce a “No Result” outcome, just screams “gotcha” to me. And it also seems tailored somewhat to counter fireisredsir’s complete claim that they sat on mastina two nights in a row and didn’t see them act. Now, I know mastina would indeed have gotten a “No Result” PM if fireisredsir had been rolestopped, but do we know if fireisredsir would have seen them no act? I just want to see if we can rule out that form of interference (and reduce this to a Roleblocker). I haven’t looked it up, but wouldn’t fireisredsir have seen them act N2 (they technically did investigate a slot that was rolestopped, resulting in the No Result)?

Like in the wiki for a Tracker (closest to what we have here I presume), fireisredsir should have seen mastina act if the target (fireisredsir themselves) was theoretically rolestopped. That’s my take. So that should rule it out. So we’re left with either one of them is lying, or mastina was RB’ed. I don’t have a decent sense for balance, to be honest, and this game already seems way too heavy on PRs for any sort of straightforward analysis, but I’m almost leaning towards mastina just being untruthful. One-Shot Cop is such a classic Scum claim too that it just bugs me.

In post 2627, mastina wrote:

In post 2604, jjh927 wrote:Like, from your POV right now, is Fire a mafia ascetic tracker? You're making multiple leaps of logic at the same time and I don't think you can feasibly jump that far

That or a mafia tracker with a separate scum rolestopper.

Like I think this almost for sure is wrong.

If fireisredsir was rolestopped or is acetic, fire should have seen mastina act. ( fire being rolestopped or acetic is a scum!fire world)

If mastina was roleblocked, fire should Not have seen mastina act.

So the only requirement for both claims to co-exist and both be town is for mastina to be roleblocked.

Like how does mastina conclude that the Scum don’t have strong Roles in one breath, but then claims that the Scum have a Rolestopper + Tracker that were both specifically aimed at deceiving mastina when we’re in a game with multiple PRs and a lot of uncertainty around who is doing what to who? It’s such a low probability scenario that the Scum planned to trick mastina by correctly guessing who they were going to investigate in the Team that I’m just baffled. Not only would they have had to plant the Tracker on mastina every Night, but also ensure that they correctly guess (1/3) who in the Team was going to get investigated by mastina, and use their Rolestopper on that player.

In post 2704, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 2627, mastina wrote:

In post 2604, jjh927 wrote:Like, from your POV right now, is Fire a mafia ascetic tracker? You're making multiple leaps of logic at the same time and I don't think you can feasibly jump that far

That or a mafia tracker with a separate scum rolestopper.

Like I think this almost for sure is wrong.

Her ascetic tracker claim also has the built in assumption that he is lying about getting a No Action result on her.

Like no fucking way. It screams bullshit to me.

Perhaps mastina was RB’ed. Rolestopper requires fireisredsir just straight up lying to if a Scum flips Rolestopper, flip fireisredsir. But the way the conclusion was pushed out just screams nonsense to me and I don’t trust it one bit.

^so if*

I think almost by default PenguinPower is Town here btw. But I don’t have any detailed views of that slot.

{Lukewarm, Malakittens} always Town here.

Anyway I figured I would get those thoughts out before the end of today. I suppose we’ve sorted that out mechanically somewhat. I’ll put my vote back.

VOTE: Titus.

Just to play devils advocate (because I personally believe that mastina was roleblocked even if fire is scum) all it takes for mastina's thing to be true is:

Fire is ascetic.
and
Scum tracked mastina to fire OR scum just trusted that mastina failed the moment she said she had a result on fire

When you cut out 95% of the words mastina used to world build around it, I don't think it is a completely wild world to believe in

It also follows through from her previously stated belief day 2 that scum would never have a roleblocker in this game, therefore her failing = ascetic.

In post 2683, Lukewarm wrote:Hmm.

I was starting from the question of why she would ever claim mastina, saw she didnt at first, then went to "who was she planning to claim?"

But I guess another reasonable answer is that she intended to never say anyone.

So much wasted work x.x

If you read the post from Titus where they claim they’re a Masonizer, they also state that they don’t intend to reveal their Partner before saying that maybe you could figure it out through their posts. That post, together with all of the twists and turns of the claim after, just confirms they’re Scum to me, but yes also obliterates any notion that they were planning on revealing their target.

i gotta get my master strategist scummy back with this one

In post 2714, Lukewarm wrote:Just to play devils advocate (because I personally believe that mastina was roleblocked even if fire is scum) all it takes for mastina's thing to be true is:

Fire is ascetic.
and
Scum tracked mastina to fire OR scum just trusted that mastina failed the moment she said she had a result on fire

When you cut out 95% of the words mastina used to world build around it, I don't think it is a completely wild world to believe in

It also follows through from her previously stated belief day 2 that scum would never have a roleblocker in this game, therefore her failing = ascetic.

Yes but in this world, you have to conclude fireisredsir is Scum. Always. And by play, I’m not convinced that’s the case. If Fire is ascetic, they’re lying about their Role and Scum. If Scum tracked mastina to fire, fire is lying about the result of their action and Scum. Either way, your assumption is that they’re Scum regardless of what mastina did, and you need to back that up some other way without relying on mechanics.

In post 2716, Ydrasse wrote:i gotta get my master strategist scummy back with this one

The heavy handed hinting at being a traffic analyst

Into your gotcha was a pretty amazing use of your role, ngl.

Much impressed

VOTE: Titus

Good luck.

firing

Titus [8]:

Malakittens, Klick, Dannflor, Lukewarm, PenguinPower, Ydrasse, Andresvmb, Titus

[HAMMER]

fireisredsir [1]:

mastina

not voting [5]:

furtiveglance, Uncrowned, jjh927, Something_Smart, fireisredsir

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