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Red - what did you do Nights 1 and 2?

↑ Benmage wrote:That is interesting..... with the lie it is almost certainly a nontown role.

It does raise the possibility of a 2 team scum .... but I would've expected crosskills by now.... if there is 2 teams I'd wager SC is scum, thinking I was opposing scum.

Butttt I think he's an sk. That said I wanna play sk pet and direct the shot.

Bbl. When on a computer.

Yep, I agree with this. If he's non-town, he'll either be useful to us (through shot directing) or he'll be proven as non-town.

Have you ever heard of a limited shot sk? Just curious

Huh. That changes things...

yes I have heard of those, along with X shot cops and X shot vigs. We had a 1 shot cop and a 2 shot vig in Open 397.

The town power seems pretty strong at this point.

Masons - proved.

Cop

Doctor

Strongman Vigilante.

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There makes no sense for Red to claim then as scum or town really. Even less for scum to fake-claim a Doc so I tend to believe that claim.

There is evidence of three kills so it seems likely we have a Vigilante.

A cop seems likely with LLD being the GF.

Is Mass-claiming worthwhile at this point?

I kinda believe Red too. And I would like dibs on doc protection tonight so I can get at least one more investigation before I die. Otherwise I doubt I will have a chance.

↑ Code_X wrote:The town power seems pretty strong at this point.

Masons - proved.

Cop

Doctor

Strongman Vigilante.

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There makes no sense for Red to claim then as scum or town really. Even less for scum to fake-claim a Doc so I tend to believe that claim.

There is evidence of three kills so it seems likely we have a Vigilante.

A cop seems likely with LLD being the GF.

Is Mass-claiming worthwhile at this point?

And Role Blocker and Backup missed those.

It seems awfully strong in all honesty.

I'm not sure whether we should massclaim or not. I'll leave it up to you guys.

↑ Code_X wrote:Red - what did you do Nights 1 and 2?

Does it matter?

Mastin n1 lld n2

No probably not - but I'd rather we have all information out in the open.

↑ HezLucky wrote:Stop whiteknighting. You are trying to make yourself look useful when its clear a statement like "sets off my busdar" does not need any explanation.

Yes it does. I cannot arbitrarily say you are bussing maxwell, especially when I think maxwell is town. Why should I allow you to arbitrarily say maxwell is bussing OhGodMyLife?

@ redFF
Please explain this.

We have a claimed Cop. The evidence is that scum probably a) didn't think The Mini-Librarian's little mock claim was real, or b) chose to go Doc hunting with their shot(s) rather than waste them on a probable protection target.

Under these conditions, why would you think it's wise to reveal yourself and make it probable that the claimed Cop can only get one more investigation? I mean, you don't even want to lynch that slot (VisMajor).

I am dumbfounded. I literally cannot fathom the thinking that prompted you to do this.

Oh, by the way, what did you think regarding The Mini-Librarian's breadcrumb post? Did it factor into your read on Lady Lambadelta?

@ RachMarie
I'm not ignoring your request. Limited time and all. I'll give you (and everyone else) all I've got across this weekend. And, while I appreciate your desire to have my thoughts, don't let it prevent you from developing your own. Not that I think you would, but etc.

Are we massclaiming?

I think VisMaior is the SK.

There. I said it. Now I'm dead. Hah. The fuck does town need a strongman kill for?

StrangerCoug is still mafia. Trying to get himself intentionally distracted by asking me stupid questions.

Head's not really in this game. Apologies. Hard to parse things and harder to articulate how I feel.

@benmage -

Scum Reads:
FakeGod - lurky yet still opportunistic. keeps up votes despite not following the thread.
Psyche - minimal contribution and less than genuine in his posts. town-psyche is earnest and tries to be helpful where i'm not seeing that here.
StrangerCoug - called me scum in #2581 when he was buddying up to andrew and now has reversed his read for reasons I can't understand. Also find his reasonings behind scum-reads thin at best.

Town Reads:
HezLucky - reads as genuine in his contributions even if he's not on the mark all the time, seems like he really believes what he's saying
RedFF - he's pretty useless and not very bright but he's showing a consistency and an attitude I don't see him taking as scum where he doesn't really care much about what people think of him
DLG - kind of an easy one because claimed cop innocent report on him makes him very unlikely to be scum but read him as town regardless based on the way he was analyzing the thread, didn't come off as BSing it

blah. wish I could say more but every time I try to read someone in ISO it makes my head hurt.

↑ DeasVail wrote:VOTE: maxwell

I feel that he is the most likely to be scum, so I'd really like a wagon on him.

Just ISO him or read what I've already said about him. His latest post of "If you don't do this I'll vote for you" is not genuine scumhunting at all, because it's not actually considering whether it makes him likely scum or not, and if anything, it's the opposite of what he should be doing. Also gives him an excuse to hop onto the wagon rather than awkwardly hang around not knowing what to do.

This is completely off base and you're missing the first part of my post where I say he's promising content, not delivering, and can't justify his scum-read when I asked him to do so when it should be a simple thing. I don't really understand the reaoning of most of the votes on him (though benmage's does make sense looking at it) but it's hard for me to ignore how he's been posting recently.

@DLG i claimed because i caught vismaior in a lie and I don't wanna lynch him today I want to control his shot. Town has too much power atm and a strongman is way more likely to be scum than town but we can make him shoot who we want until he doesn't then lynch him.

↑ redFF wrote:@DLG i claimed because i caught vismaior in a lie and I don't wanna lynch him today I want to control his shot. Town has too much power atm and a strongman is way more likely to be scum than town but we can make him shoot who we want until he doesn't then lynch him.

Alright. This may be a case of me thinking that I'd have played it differently, therefore you be scum. Not really a good basis to pursue you on, and any resultant squabble would just serve to confuse things when it seems that town is finally developing some cohesion.

I can get behind the idea of VisMajor as SK and directing his shots.

RachMarie wrote:Could someone or someones summarize the case on the two wagons a bit more?

Here's my take on the OhGodMyLife wagon and the FakeGod wagon.

The case against OhGodMyLife seems to revolve around him having replaced into the slot originally occupied by Firestarter. I think the original case aginst this slot was faulty. See 2527 and 2528 for more information regarding how I've read this slot. I don't mean to send you on a chase the links trail, but there's a little too much information to just summarize.

Another thing that's bothering me is that I really feel like this OhGodMyLife wagon started up as a counter wagon to the strong Benmage wagon at the strat of Day 4. Putting this together with my Benmage scum read, I conclude that OhGodMyLife isn't very likely to be scum.

And, this OhGodMyLife has to be a scum PR line of attack was first espoused by andrew94, I think. This is the slot now occupied by VisMajor. Given the recent events surrounding that slot, I have no wish to be associated with anything directed by andrew94.

The FakeGod wagon is the far superior choice, in my opinion. Again, check out the links above for more information on how I arrived at this conclusion regarding this slot. Plus, see the recent exchanges between him and me. He is not scumhunting. He's dodging questions. This is a scum slot.

@ FakeGod
Answer the question with regard to how your question to DeasVail was intended to help determine his alignment. So far, all you've said is

FakeGod wrote:People are yelling at me because I didn't post very much, but I see DV telling someone that he is town and he shouldn't post.

I didn't know what to make of it.

Your short list of suspects? Where is it? Could you maybe use scum/town as adjectives instead of vague literary references that are only open to debate?

Benmage is not getting lynched today. Don't ask me why. Now, could you give some commentary on recent events and use your vote to help out instead of just idling it on the wagon which was most popular at one time? Or, help revive the Benmage wagon if you truly prefer that?

Yeah, nothing has really changed my views. Benmage is still scum. Psyche is still scum. FakeGod is still scum. I don't see OhGodMyLife as scum. There's some underlying things brewing that will only be clarified with more flips.

out of the act of self preservation.

VOTE OGML, otherwise I will be very very,---- fuckit. I'll vote you if you don't vote OGML in your next post.

↑ HezLucky wrote:StrangerCoug is still mafia. Trying to get himself intentionally distracted by asking me stupid questions.

Nobody of either alignment has any need to distract himself and my questions are not stupid. The only thing making you any better than Benmage is that you have not gone out on an ego-pumping trip and it has been difficult to get straight answers out of both of you.

You have 24 hours to post a case on maxwell that is more than just him bussing OhGodMyLife or you get my vote. For extra credit, tell me why you don't suspect me of doing the same thing when maxwell has come to his own conclusions about why OGML is scum while I'm sheeping andrew94.

Thats because your questions are equal to wondering if 2+2 still equals 4. (Hint, yes it does)

Thanks DLG will check those links out that helps a lot.