New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Shaziro]

Responding to somebody calling question to something I said is scummy? I don't understand that logic either, to be honest. This comes off more as you trying to latch on to something I've said being questioned in order to discredit the fact that I think you're scummy.

[zakk]

you sound like you're not really in agreement with yourself
mostly about whether you think i'm scummy and/or whether my wagon is a good idea atm

Also, is the Zakk wagon just dying? If so, I don't want to push Nos just yet, but I don't know that PM is super scummy either. Shotty might be the best target in my mind. Thoughts?

you sound like you just want a wagon and have a bunch of people you want to push, in a specific order

that's a scum mindset.

but i'm not gonna convince you to admit you're scum, am i

[Shaziro]

There's a difference between thinking that you're scum and thinking that a wagon on you right now will work, and a vote on a wagon that isn't going anywhere is -also- not going anywhere. I do have people I want to push, those people being my scumreads. You know, get a wagon on somebody who you feel is scum, get them to claim, lynch them if you don't believe the claim or somebody counterclaims. Why is that scummy?

[Egg]

Page 88:
Well I can't ask ETL because she got NK'd, but Shaziro agreed so...
Shaziro, why was Ircher's push for a hammer scummy?

Page 89:
I agree with Brawl in his arguement with Ircher but Brawl is dead town and so are both wagons being discussed so this is useless to me except that Ircher is wrong.

Zakk, why is Shaziro town?

My town read on Expedience has been weakening lately. Not entirely sure why.

Page 90:
2239 by Nos is pretty bad. Not wanting to vote Persivul just because he's gonna be lynched anyway is horribly scummy. I see Copper and Expedience noted this.

Page 91:
Not a fan of Copper egging on Projectmatt to vote Persivul after he (Copper) just jumped off to vote killthestory. Feels like not wanting to be on the mislynch.

Oh look, I made it to Day 2. If I didn't say this already (I think I did), I think the NKs are scum (ETL), a vig, and a SK trying to look like a vig.

Drmy, are you saying Titus is scum for being wrong about the dead people?

Nahdia, why were Brawl and killthestory bad shots if they were vig shots?

Page 92:
Hmm. Acknowledging Copper's reasoning for the killthestory vote. Don't know if I buy it or not. I can see it though.

Page 93:
Ircher, why'd you assume two scum teams and appear to rule out a SK? (Post 2321)

Nahdia's posts toward Titus are very town. I'd expect town to just give five names to attempt to control a strong town player. And if Titus is scum, that would mean the whole thing is BS if Nahdia is also scum anyway and I'm kinda doubting that.

Page 94:
Copper makes good points about Kop. Why soft push Persivul then vote killthestory as town?

Shaziro, I'm guessing ETL just didn't notice that you'd replaced Heur. I don't like you discrediting her reads like that by the way.
^If Shaziro is scum, ETL's reads were probably pretty solid. They probably were anyway though.

I don't understand these Anen votes.

Page 95:
Not sure why zakk thinks everyone will be survivalistic, but that's not necessarily scummy or anything.

Ircher, why is Brawl a good kill for a SK?

Lowell, why don't you think scum used their kills effectively? I also notice you said "kills" rather than "kill"? So you are assuming two teams?

I actually like Shaziro's Nos vote. And I find Lowell's opposition to it interesting. Especially after he adds a null read on Nos.

Zakk, why do you think two teams are "very likely" now? I thought you'd concluded earlier we probably have a SK.

Page 96:
Did I mention I don't understand where scum reads on Anen are coming from?

[Shaziro]

I felt it was a bit scummy at first because I can understand the fear of a no-lynch, but when he said he just didn't want to "draw things out" it came off as him wanting to shut down conversation and just get a lynch through, which I don't tend to like seeing. Does that make sense?

I'll say that Egg's notes look pretty fair, and I'm seeing a lot of town motivation for them. Hopefully, though, Egg will get caught up soon and we'll see some realtime responses/reactions.

[SirCakez]

Liger_zero did not pick up his prod and will be replaced.

[SirCakez]

Votecount 2.6

The Sydney Opera House in Australia!

Kop (3) - Expedience, Lowell, Ircher
Titus (2) - zakk, drmyshottyizsik
zakk (2) - Titus, Shaziro
copper223 (2) - Nahdia, MagnaOfIllusion
projectmatt (2) - Aneninen, cytheflyguy
Aneninen (1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) - Kop
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - copper223

Not voting (3) - Liger_zero, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

[Egg]

Page 97:
Anen vs Nos isn't changing my views. Hell, it's not even strengthening the ones I already have.

Page 98:
If Titus actually claimed the Brawl kill, she's probably town. Too risky for scum or SK because anyone claiming kills won't live long.
Especially if a vig flips. I thought I'd see a real answer to this when Titus posted again though and that didn't happen here.

Hmm. I can't get a solid read on Shaziro. This page looked town from him...

Page 99:
Is anyone townreading Kop? If so, why?

Page 100:
Zakk, you wanted me to comment on the fact that I'm townreading you and my scum reads are voting you. Uhhh. Not sure why. It reaffirms my beliefs. Scum voting town isn't exactly some rare occurance. By the way, Ircher jumped on after you asked me about this so...lol?

Drmy's unvote of zakk is probably the first thing I've disliked about him this game. He unvoted saying zakk gave a town response, but then implied he's still scumreading him with the 100 page comment. Maybe I'm misreading something, but it feels like he's trying to satisfy people with his answers. Actually, yeah. He said he'd vote whoever has more votes between Copper, Titus, and zakk. So that "town response" that made him unvote must have gone out the window?

Page 101:
I agree with zakk about Kop's "half aware" post.

Ok, I decided I'm sticking with a town read on Shaziro. Copper too for the Magna vote with one dead town neighbor and the "scum in the hood" narrative that is out there.

Page 102:
Drmy, did you really change your avatar while I'm catching up? lol. You're throwing me off here. Ircher pretty clearly meant Titus with the "us" thing though.

Starting to be pretty convinced this is town Titus.

Really want to finish this but can't stay awake. I'm almost there though.

[Liger_Zero]

I have been busy lately, I was V/LA and I got prodded.
Can I still play?

[zakk]

No gtfo















Jk pls let him stay cakez

[Ircher]

Page 88:
Well I can't ask ETL because she got NK'd, but Shaziro agreed so...
Shaziro, why was Ircher's push for a hammer scummy?

Page 89:
I agree with Brawl in his arguement with Ircher but Brawl is dead town and so are both wagons being discussed so this is useless to me except that Ircher is wrong.

Zakk, why is Shaziro town?

My town read on Expedience has been weakening lately. Not entirely sure why.

Page 90:
2239 by Nos is pretty bad. Not wanting to vote Persivul just because he's gonna be lynched anyway is horribly scummy. I see Copper and Expedience noted this.

Page 91:
Not a fan of Copper egging on Projectmatt to vote Persivul after he (Copper) just jumped off to vote killthestory. Feels like not wanting to be on the mislynch.

Oh look, I made it to Day 2. If I didn't say this already (I think I did), I think the NKs are scum (ETL), a vig, and a SK trying to look like a vig.

Drmy, are you saying Titus is scum for being wrong about the dead people?

Nahdia, why were Brawl and killthestory bad shots if they were vig shots?

Page 92:
Hmm. Acknowledging Copper's reasoning for the killthestory vote. Don't know if I buy it or not. I can see it though.

Page 93:
Ircher, why'd you assume two scum teams and appear to rule out a SK? (Post 2321)

Nahdia's posts toward Titus are very town. I'd expect town to just give five names to attempt to control a strong town player. And if Titus is scum, that would mean the whole thing is BS if Nahdia is also scum anyway and I'm kinda doubting that.

Page 94:
Copper makes good points about Kop. Why soft push Persivul then vote killthestory as town?

Shaziro, I'm guessing ETL just didn't notice that you'd replaced Heur. I don't like you discrediting her reads like that by the way.
^If Shaziro is scum, ETL's reads were probably pretty solid. They probably were anyway though.

I don't understand these Anen votes.

Page 95:
Not sure why zakk thinks everyone will be survivalistic, but that's not necessarily scummy or anything.

Ircher, why is Brawl a good kill for a SK?

Lowell, why don't you think scum used their kills effectively? I also notice you said "kills" rather than "kill"? So you are assuming two teams?

I actually like Shaziro's Nos vote. And I find Lowell's opposition to it interesting. Especially after he adds a null read on Nos.

Zakk, why do you think two teams are "very likely" now? I thought you'd concluded earlier we probably have a SK.

Page 96:
Did I mention I don't understand where scum reads on Anen are coming from?

1) I meant more like "Multi-Scum Kill" which would include an SK possibly
2) Cuz of the wagon. If Brawl was scum, then that's free townie points. Otherwise, SK got rid of someone who might be confirmable later from VCA. Alright, it's an ok kill for scum too, but I'd think that it's a relatively safe kill more likely from an SK.

[SirCakez]

You can stay, no one took the spot.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Seth / Kop ISO –

First thing that strikes me is 170 where Seth RVS’s Cooper. It’s common enough of a tendancy here on site and it fits well with my Copper scum read.

Also the whole Copper / Seth back and forth about “Who is your partner” looks fairly forced. Especially given that said reaction test yielded nothing and took me awhile to draw out that result from Copper.

183 also can be a multli-ball insider knowledge slip from Seth.

Seth buddies up to Egg, ETL and Titus fairly early on. Not necessarily a scum tell but incredibly useful for interaction analysis in coming days.

1097 is very, very odd. The reaction to Anen looks a bit out of proportion frankly. Possible reaction to bussing?

First Kop post that strikes me is 2149. Kop is exactly wrong – you Cop stronger players not scummy players. Scummy players in thread get lynched for being scummy. You Vig scummy players. This reaction leads to me the possible conclusion that Kop-scum partners contain at least 1 if not more stronger Vet players.

2162 is another odd interaction for the slot with Anen. Anen was clearly not under fire and that sort of thing is easily checked. Given Kop never followed up on this with Anen (regardless of Anen’s response or lack therof) I’m marking this down as another possible teammate interaction between the two.

2452 actually leads me to believe Kop and Shotty aren’t partners and provides some possible llinkage to zakk.

The whole ISO lacks strength of scum-hunting.

@Ircher

– I’m good with our agreement. Based on the last vote-count both our votes together make Kop the most viable wagon.

VOTE: Kop

[Nosferatu]

Votecount 2.6

Kop (3) - Expedience, Lowell, Ircher
Titus (2) - zakk, drmyshottyizsik
zakk (2) - Titus, Shaziro
projectmatt (2) - Aneninen, cytheflyguy
Aneninen (1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) - Kop

copper223 (1) - Nahdia, MagnaOfIllusion

MagnaOfIllusion (1) - copper223

Not voting (3) - Liger_zero, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

is this votecount correct?

[SirCakez]

Nope, that was my bad. It has been fixed.

[Egg]

That's why I stay away from the "multiball" term. Everyone has their own definition for it.......

[Ircher]

That's why I stay away from the "multiball" term. Everyone has their own definition for it.......

True. Srry for that.

@Magna -- Acknowledged

[zakk]

Re: egg 2728 (sry mobile) I don't think he is actually. Shaz seems scum to me

Re: scum teams vs SK, compared to day 1 it feels like everyone is dragging their feet. Maybe it's town demoralization and maybe it's scum not trying to catch other scum's attention but it feels widespread enough to make a haphazard guess on my part

Either way it doesn't really matter bc at the end of the day it's 2 kills and scum hunting doesn't change much

[Ircher]

@Zakk

Get pff the Titus vanity wagon. We're not lynching that slot today. There are several, other better wagons such as Kop to join.

[Titus]

I could compromise on Kop, considering the wagon looks to be all town. I just think Seth was town.

I think Zakk is still much better though.

[Ircher]

I could compromise on Kop, considering the wagon looks to be all town. I just think Seth was town.

I think Zakk is still much better though.

Why did you feel Seth was town? I got the exact opposite feel when I looked at the ISO again.

[Titus]

Seth is a troll account. Lightning rod for bullshit but still scumhunting.

[Kop]

Nice little wagon forming on me here.

Whilst yeah I haven't really been playing serious attention to this game, it's quite surprising that the flow has changed quite a lot since turn of the new day. We have gone from a wagon forming on copper, to Titus, then to me. I agree in total with the wagon because my ISO and seths doesn't look good but I can't say anything in regards to the game play that seth dictated whilst he was in the game.

I still stand by that scum lies in nos or cytheflyguy. So with that said, that's where my vote is staying. It'll be either on one of them. I'm not compromising.

[Ircher]

What about Copper & Zakk? You townread them?

[zakk]

@Zakk

Get pff the Titus vanity wagon. We're not lynching that slot today. There are several, other better wagons such as Kop to join.

why is kop a better wagon than titus in any way shape or form

titus has been scummy all game, didn't change her reads after the persivul flip (WHICH SHE SHOULD HAVE), and keeps pushing for my wagon even though i'm pretty obvtown even by my own standards