Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Taly]

and if

titus

is in everybody's solve then why is she still alive rn? why is her lim dependent on my timing of the vote EoD1?

yeah, im not convinced. town AND scum are on her, regardless of her alignment.

DGB

, why do you think

titus

wasn't bussed D1? If you still think so?

I'm honestly surprised that

Titus/Flea

have not fought me over my reads yet.

Titus is scum but her buddies aren't bussing

Do you think any of

Haschel/TGP/BM/Murder

were counterwagons forged by scum?

Because

{

Akarin

, Taly, OWER, Blitzo}

were the starting votes to the rivaling wagons late-D1, but those don't reflect your

Titus/Alisae

scumreads. If they have, it hasn't been mentioned.
And if we narrowed this down further to ALL the people that townread

Titus

, we have:

{

Akarin

, OWER, TGP, Cakez}

off the top of my head.
I want to hear your read on

OWER

.

[Taly]

I'm kind of waiting for someone to nod their head at me or just tell me I'm crazy.

[Battle Mage]

how did

gamma/alisae

become auto-scum after an

akarin

flip?

like, does

gamma

work this hard to off a partner EoD1? and what about the reality

flea

proposed where

titus

is town?
i COULD see the argument that

alisae's

vote onto

titus

was a bus but they sided a good bit with

akarin

on the

titus

lim prior.

and BOTH of these two voting (including my own vote) had the intention of utilizing a flip to analyze alongside a scumread or reason to suspect

titus

-scum

everybody in this game has this knack of indirectly telling me that im getting pocketed by their scumreads

it starts with either a

taly

townread or

"i DoNt WaNt

TaLy

DeAd NoW!!1!"

and then bam

Akarin

townreads me but wants

Murder

dead, but I townread him

Murder

is following me onto places that I think is generally town-minded for the willingness to mindmeld

BM

and

Titus

were coming at each other but with a townread on me

Akarin

dies after a PT with

Alisae/Gamma

end where im solidly confident that

akarin

was town for their disposition on the

titus

wagon
now it's

Gamma/Titus

coming for

Bell's

life while

BM

has a solve that they're ALL scum

Alisae slot

was all about

"wtf

taly

"

with my townread on

OWER

while

OWER

townreads me and wants

Murder

dead too

this gamestate is a bitch to navigate. i dont trust the thread's consensus right now because i think its highly agenda-based regardless of the angle one would take here.

and when i try to assume

akarin's

reads, the more im thinking

"my reads were really fucked up D1 or i need to assert my personal reads then with a huge aggression right now"

BM

, i need you to sit me down and explain to me your solve with

Alisae/Gamma

because i dont think

Alisae's

apathy is AI and i agree with

Gamma's

hesitation with

Bell

.

And namely, if you think

Maestro/Gamma/Titus/Bell

are all scum, then why push the replace-in

(Maestro)

of ALL people?

it's so weird to brand an S/S/S argument around

Gamma/Titus/Bell

and then actively don't engage with that.

2 quick answers mate:

I'm not super sure Gamma-Maestro is a thing. I just think if Maestro flips scum, worth taking a look at Gamma with some partner equity.

I'm voting Maestro because he's the most likely to flip scum. What does him being a replacement have to do with anything?

[Taly]

I just don't think your response to

Gamma/Titus/Bell

is realistic if you believe it could be all S/S/S, but I may be jumping the gun here.

At least, why is

Maestro

most likely scum here? The task dismissal by itself doesn't compel me to rethink one of my strongest townreads D1.

[Taly]

I think I'll let the thread evolve until tomorrow before I place a vote. I'm not stalling like I did D1.

[Flea The Magician]

gh wll my wlls rn't pssbl ntl prgrm my wn rgx thng t gnr th tgs. ls hvng hg fbr flr s pls br wth m.

DGB stll hs thr vrg wrd cnt t mntn s.

Tts bll cs... Thr ws lt f s spccng n ptntl sbs. Th mths wrks t t wth nythng lss thn 5 scm ssmng ll tsks r ctlly cmpltd. Thn sng mt t ttck whn w knw rm ws blckd bcs svrl ppl nnncd t...? wrd.
VOTE: Tts - nt sr f ths cnts r nt. W shll s wth th VC thgh.
Ths cs hs mr xcrmnt thn sl. 'v clld th rm lckng s mny tms, 'v spcltd lt n th ptntl sbs, nd Blls gttng grf fr t. thnk nt. Bll ws xctly whr thy shld hv bn lst nght t nd ws prdctv n th PT.

Hwdy Mtr, wlcm t th chs tht s pst rstrctn prty!

@Gmm
Wt... m bng SR'd bcs ddn't hmmr? mn fr f m bt sy wht y mn Gmm. hd nd RL ss t ttnd t. *shrg* Whts wth th 810rg thng nywy?

hv n cl wh tw shds s.

[Flea The Magician]

h ww, rdng tht bck, shld kp ths shrt nd swt.

[MURDERCAT]

So my sense is his reads get better as the game goes on. There's also haunted village as a game we played but idk his progression there, I just recall he got soulread by infinity

I HELPED DRIVE THE WIN WITH SETUP SPEC IN ENDGAME

I AM DEFINITELY NOT ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS THAT SOUL READS PEOPLE AND FLIPS SCUM ON DAY 1

I FIND TOWNIES AND ELIMINATE POSSIBILITIES UNTIL THERE'S LIMITED OPTIONS, THEN I WORK FROM THERE OFF ASSOCIATIONS, VCA, AND, IF RELEVANT, MECH TO SOLVE THE GAME

SO WHEN I SAY I WAS HAPPY WITH 4/5 TOWN READS AFTER DAY 1 I MEANT IT. I THINK WE ARE IN AN OK SPOT, BUT WE DO NEED TO START FLIPPING NOW.

[MURDERCAT]

i don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that the solve is:

Alisae-Titus-Bell-Gamma

but I think Maestro (Alisae) is a lock for elim today, and then potentially look at Gamma tomorrow as a partner. In a way this feels more like Gamma's towngame, but I don't like him trying to take the heat off Alisae like he has, I think Bell is independently scummy and I've covered my view on Titus ad nauseum yesterday.

ALI IS TOWN STILL

[MURDERCAT]

oh I'd also throw Pooky in there. Actually feel slightly better about DGB, but Pooky is well within his scum-range here. Too peripheral.

POOKY DID THE SAME THING IN DEATH CURSE, ID RATHER NOT MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN

[Titus]

*watches MURDERCAT*

@Flea, I am pretty sure you voted me, but your PR makes it hard to understand.

@Taly, Your thoughts on Bell?

[MURDERCAT]

I'm kind of waiting for someone to nod their head at me or just tell me I'm crazy.

NODS

[Flea The Magician]

Th plyr lst wth my rstrctn, fr ths wh cn't wrk t t.

1. Mrdrct
2. Bltz
3. xRCKNRx
4. thgldnprdx
5. Fl Th Mgcn
6. Hschl Cdrcsn
7. DrppngGfBll
8. Bttl Mg
9. gmm mrld
10. ls Mstr
11. tts
12. tWrldR
13. Tly
14. SrCkz
15. PkyThMgclBr
16. Bll

HC cld d th sm, myb?

[Titus]

@Flea, I meant hard to understand why.

[Flea The Magician]

Mt ttck, smthng tht cn't b prvn, stp spc.

dd mch mch mr n stp spc thn Bll dd.

[Titus]

Mt attack, something that can't be proven, setup spec.

did much much more in setup spec than Bell did.

I think this is pretty close to right. Clueless on the first word.

This is not a good look for Flea. Need more to determine if this is an outright lie or if he's mistaken.

Where did I do more setup spec than Bell?

I already proved a circumstantial case that Bell knew about the sabotage.

[Flea The Magician]

95%

< -- dd mr spc thn bll.

Crcmstntl vdnc mns nthng.

Fr xmpl: Y'v jst msrppd m by trnng my pst n yrslf, wtht cntxt nd cllng t "n trght l".

<-- ls, prnns pls

[Titus]

@Flea, Everything is circumstantial but for a moderator guilty. There's no town explanation for his misrep of the prior game we played together. He's practically ceding he misrepped me about our prior game because he's not defending his posts as accurate.

You may have done more setup spec than Bell but your did more than one. You didn't use the setup spec to shade.

Bell did one.
He invited more from others.
He used his one instance of setup spec to shade.
That shade is based off a misrep.

He opens today shading me based on the failure that he predicted yesterday.


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That being said, I do like Flea's response here tonally. Logically, it's garbage but town have bad logic all the time.

For instance, Flea missed the "or" in my post. That type of blatant error while pushing me as scum actually makes me more endearing, which counteracts his point.

Not sure what his last line is though. Less pronouns? If I am right, what should I use? Flea/Flea's everywhere?

[Flea The Magician]

Sod it, post restriction break for this one.
My pronouns are Fae/Faer

[Flea The Magician]

ddn't ctlly gnr th "r" n yr pst, smply sd prt f yr pst t shw wht y wr dng n tht sng crcmstncl vdnc s wrng.

Yr pnn n m, s yr pnn n m. Tht y'v tkn my xmpl s y hv s ntrstng, thgh.

[Titus]

Sod it, post restriction break for this one.
My pronouns are Fae/Faer

Please don't count this against Faer post restriction if they're town. Basic civility and votes should not be subject to PRs.

Back to game.

[Titus]

ddn't ctlly gnr th "r" n yr pst, smply sd prt f yr pst t shw wht y wr dng n tht sng crcmstncl vdnc s wrng.

Yr pnn n m, s yr pnn n m. Tht y'v tkn my xmpl s y hv s ntrstng, thgh.

I hate this PR. It makes it really hard to understand you, thus harder to work with you, and extremely hard to see your points.

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Don't exactly [something] the or in your post, simply said part? of your post to show what you were doing in? that single circumstantial evidence's wrong.

Your opinion on me, is your opinion on me. That you've taken my example is you have is understanding, though.

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[What I think you're trying to communicate is that you didn't miss the "or" in my post at all but you did that to show that selective parts of a post can be taken out of context?]

I'm guessing here. Bear with me.

What do you think is the better way of interpreting Bell's posts?

[Titus]

Do you think any of Haschel/TGP/BM/Murder were counterwagons forged by scum?

Murdercat is now my favorite wagon out of the EoD ones. BM is now my third place scumread. Of course, my murder read is marginally dependent on Bell so murder only beats BM by a hair.

If Bell is scum, turbo flip Murdercat.
If Bell is town, equal between Murdercat and BM.

I'm extremely confident on Bell though.

[Flea The Magician]

95% - nr ngh.

<-- nds t lk t Blls sltn psts t sm pnt. Fls t ws sttng p fr spcltn dscssn.

[SirCakez]

I'm sorry but in an off-site game I was scum and a good part of what caused my win was the fact several wagons on scum failed to run to completion
So I am pretty wary of those deadline crunches
that's why I think security holds scum, because both Bell and Flea, despite SRing Titus, were not on the wagon at the end, Bell because of RL reasons but I think he 100% could have used that as a cover-up for just not wanting to let Titus get limmed that day (I'm saying this because while Titus would likely be scum if I'm right about that, I think Titus' flip was helpful enough even if she was town scum would still not want it to happen). I was also finding TGP a little sus for his reads EoD1 being all over the map but so far in my catch-up he seems to be talking sense. But let's also call to attention Akarin was SRing TGP and she's dead now.

but why try to force this when (at the time) we agreed no elim was best strat?

I changed my mind. I felt like trying for a lim, regardless of whether we got it or not, was the play as things were wrapping up. I was trying to implement the guide LLD posted regarding driving wagons in large games, as could possibly be told by how much I focused on getting reads from the flips themselves.

why change your mind like right before deadline though??

For the record I still am suspicious of Two Sheds. However, it is now my opinion that she should not be the elimination for today and I'm willing to at least explore Liberty Taco for a little bit.

Alright, Liberty Taco. You were the first vote on Two Sheds yesterday, then unvoted because the wagon "felt gross" and then mentioned her exactly once for the rest of the day. Now today you start off asking if there is anybody who doesn't think Two Sheds is scum. Can you elaborate on what changed?

gonna need translations on this one

VOTE: Alisae

useless vote
you mountain goat

VOTE: maestro

can you elaborate on this vote TGP?

{

Akarin

, OWER, TGP, Cakez}

off the top of my head.
I want to hear your read on

OWER

.[/color]

I read him as town from his super oppositional entrance day 1

So my sense is his reads get better as the game goes on. There's also haunted village as a game we played but idk his progression there, I just recall he got soulread by infinity

I HELPED DRIVE THE WIN WITH SETUP SPEC IN ENDGAME

I AM DEFINITELY NOT ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS THAT SOUL READS PEOPLE AND FLIPS SCUM ON DAY 1

I FIND TOWNIES AND ELIMINATE POSSIBILITIES UNTIL THERE'S LIMITED OPTIONS, THEN I WORK FROM THERE OFF ASSOCIATIONS, VCA, AND, IF RELEVANT, MECH TO SOLVE THE GAME

SO WHEN I SAY I WAS HAPPY WITH 4/5 TOWN READS AFTER DAY 1 I MEANT IT. I THINK WE ARE IN AN OK SPOT, BUT WE DO NEED TO START FLIPPING NOW.

^ this is why I now want MC to stay alive btw